EPTRunning/Cycling Thread - 2015 Edition - Page 7
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Bonham
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/02/genzebe-dibaba-smashes-indoor-5000-wr-by-over-5-seconds-with-1418-86-in-stockholm/ Everyone at practice yesterday said she's on the juice, but in the absence of evidence I don't see how we can write this off as a tainted performance. How do you all feel about this? Is it possible to rejoice in a new WR without being cynical about PEDs? | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On February 20 2015 23:45 Bonham wrote: That's generally been my experience with getting faster. You grind and grind and grind with no noticeable result, then one day you realize you're smashing a workout that by rights should be smashing you. I agree with that for sure, when I'm actually training. But all I've been doing is like 15-20 mpw, and 98% of those as easy miles. Doesn't really seem like something I should improve a ton off. In other running news, did anyone else pay attention when Gezebe Dibaba set a new women's indoor 5k world record yesterday? 14:18 like it wasn't no thing. http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/02/genzebe-dibaba-smashes-indoor-5000-wr-by-over-5-seconds-with-1418-86-in-stockholm/ Everyone at practice yesterday said she's on the juice, but in the absence of evidence I don't see how we can write this off as a tainted performance. How do you all feel about this? Is it possible to rejoice in a new WR without being cynical about PEDs? Helluva run! What you said in your second line is exactly why I don't have any problem. I acknowledge in the back of my mind that it's possible she may have used PEDs, but I don't have evidence to believe she did so I go with the idea of innocent until proven guilty. Sure, fast times are suspicious in some regards, but the truth is we don't really have any idea what is physically possible for an athlete. Even if we assume that all the the WRs are doped to the gills runs, just because someone runs faster doesn't, to me, mean that athlete must be a doper. Perhaps there is a guy out there that can run 12:25 5k clean. Seems unlikely given the way WR progression is beginning to level off, but the honest truth is we just don't know. Added on to that, we don't even know if the current WRs themselves are doped performances. There are some reasonable arguments to suggest they might be, but all are speculation based. So I guess for how I enjoy track without skepticism is a very strong style of innocent until proven guilty. Until they come up with physical evidence an athlete is doped, they are clean in my mind. Some would want to label this as willful ignorance, but not only is it a more enjoyable way to watch track its also the fairest to the athletes in my opinion, and I'm not going to be crushed if someone turns out to be a doper, because I am aware its a very real possibility that track is quite dirty, but unless/until they catch people its clean. Unless we are talking about the Russians, cause like all of them just got banned lol. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
It's hard to really enjoy performances like this because we have been spoiled so often. There will always be doubt in our minds and the sport will never get rid of this. That said I'm quite confident that one of if not the greatest running performance of all time the World Record by Paula Radcliffe is clean thanks to how open she's about getting the blood sample tested every time a better method of testing comes out. On the other hand the only running WRs that were almost certainly performed under the heavy influence of PED are the one from the 80s that still stand. | ||
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
On February 21 2015 01:27 Don_Julio wrote: That said I'm quite confident that one of if not the greatest running performance of all time the World Record by Paula Radcliffe is clean thanks to how open she's about getting the blood sample tested every time a better method of testing comes out. On the other hand the only running WRs that were almost certainly performed under the heavy influence of PED are the one from the 80s that still stand. I'm surprised that you feel so certain about the Radcliffe record. To me, it's one of the most suspicious. I'll pull together more info when I have more time, and I should say that I totally agree with L_Master that without proof we should default to "innocent until proven guilty," but even so, I would not pick her record as the least likely to be influenced by PEDs. Remember, Lance Armstrong was a big champion of anti-doping measures once. | ||
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
Questions: if I run without the spikes in the sockets, am I being a total bonehead? Also, if I wear these to indoor practice with the spikes, will the other runners in my group think I'm a total bonehead? On a broader front, what shoes are you guys wearing? I have narrow feet and like to run with pretty minimalist shoes. I love adidas' adizero adios, Mizuno wave ekidens, and the New Balance Minimus Zero. I'm also picking my shoes for the spring right now. I usually buy 5-6 pairs each summer, so picks are welcome. | ||
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atombombforpeace
United States408 Posts
On a side note, strava is a really cool program, thanks for the recommendation. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On February 22 2015 08:19 atombombforpeace wrote: After being sick for a while and getting over a minor ankle injury, I'm finally getting back to training. I'm able to get my mpw up to 40-50 like I was aiming to, but I'm still having problems pushing my max distance in a run. Hopefully that'll get better as I get back into shape. On a side note, strava is a really cool program, thanks for the recommendation. Are you A D at Strava? If yes: That's a solid max distance and will serve you well unless you're training for a marathon. _____ Just set a PR for weekly distance but I kind of cheated because I moved my last week's long run to this week's monday. Mo Farah ran his first World Record btw. For 2 miles: | ||
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atombombforpeace
United States408 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
that run by Mo...Insane. Epic. | ||
dravernor
Netherlands6175 Posts
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On February 23 2015 01:17 atombombforpeace wrote: Yes, I'm A D, I just didn't put my full name there for whatever reason. I do plan on marathon training, I just didn't want to increase my mpw too quickly since last time I did that I felt awful after a week or two. This time I hope to add 2-3 mpw each week depending on how I'm feeling. No worries, I don't use my full name there either. The slow increase of mileage is a good idea. Do you have a race in mind or is it just something you want to do eventually. Maybe have a look at some training plans to get an idea of what marathon training should look like. I see Hal Higdon's plans recommended everywhere and plan to use an intermediate one for Berlin. On February 23 2015 02:12 dravernor wrote: Shit, she can run a 5k faster than I can run a 4k. Which still makes you a pretty good runner. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
@Bonham - Wish I had more to add about shoes, but I pretty much have always just ran in cheap NB shoes from Kohls. Probably would be worth it to invest in a decent trainer and a good racing flat...but never have. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Disappointed I didn't get to put in a nice block of running focused training here in the spring, but body just didn't cooperate and with constant nagging little issues never felt comfortable doing any workouts. Might do a little more emphasis on the run for Bolder Boulder, but don't really know for sure at this point. DEFINITELY will be focusing on running in the fall after Pikes Peak Cycling Hill Climb though. Coolest part about right now is how well this more or less abstinence from junk food has worked. I haven't really eaten any soda/junk food/processed food since mid January with the exception of the occasional restaurant soda/meal after a particularly brutal ride. It's pretty much eliminated my overwhelming cravings and binge eating, so for once I'm feeling pretty confident about getting properly light. Down about 10lbs already from late December without even trying to cut calories or anything. Signed up for my first bike race as well, March 14th Lookout Mtn HC. Shooting for a sub 20 time and win in category. Will be an adventure cause March in Colorado is hit or miss. You get 75 degree days, or you get days well below freezing with a foot of snow. Keeping mah fingers crossed. | ||
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dravernor
Netherlands6175 Posts
 so not even 3km.I had to think about it for a bit. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On February 21 2015 16:20 Bonham wrote: Bought some new shoes today: a pair of adidas I know will serve me well, as I'm on my fourth pair of the model, and some Saucony Kilkenny XC5 cross-country flats. These come with spikes, which is a first for me. I mostly bought them because they were just $70 and they fit my feet well. Questions: if I run without the spikes in the sockets, am I being a total bonehead? Also, if I wear these to indoor practice with the spikes, will the other runners in my group think I'm a total bonehead? On a broader front, what shoes are you guys wearing? I have narrow feet and like to run with pretty minimalist shoes. I love adidas' adizero adios, Mizuno wave ekidens, and the New Balance Minimus Zero. I'm also picking my shoes for the spring right now. I usually buy 5-6 pairs each summer, so picks are welcome. I'm going to probably try out the new adidas ultra boost that just came out. I've had really good experience with previous boost shoes from adidas. http://www.adidas.com/us/ultra-boost-shoes/B27172.html $180 though... | ||
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Bonham
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
 At least I think it is a flu. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On February 27 2015 13:39 N.geNuity wrote: Well guys, keep your body healthy in all aspects! I've been wiped to the floor with a flu this week At least I think it is a flu. Oh man same for me. It came all of a sudden. Some kind of Bronchitis and fever. The fever is almost gone now but I obviously lost my long run yesterday and will lose this week's workouts, too. Sometimes there's not much you can do. | ||
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