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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On February 13 2014 19:06 RowdierBob wrote: Actually think it was a pretty poor play by him. He isn't going to win too many games on a step back fade away three. Should've been attacking the rim. Skip is in here? :D | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 13 2014 15:29 AgentW wrote: Would it just be cleaner to give LeBron an MVP title belt and just take it from him when someone finally takes it from him? It would be, but that would be against the body of history. So fans in 100 years would be like "Why does Lebron have 10 MVPs when no one else has 5?" There is a history of people being "robbed" and its hard to even argue this would be a robbing. | ||
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
On February 13 2014 19:06 RowdierBob wrote: That was pretty arsey from Lebron, even by his standards. Actually think it was a pretty poor play by him. He isn't going to win too many games on a step back fade away three. Should've been attacking the rim. But I guess it's only the result that matters! I think it's a good move by lebron. Iggy expects he will drive so lebron has ton of space to shoot a wide open step back three | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Some random thoughts on this though: Does this mean LBJ has plateaued as a player? As a 29 year old (in his physical prime) we could say that he probably will not keep improving from here on out as he has the previous seasons of his career. While Durant (younger), is still improving from season to season and will keep getting better for a few more years maybe. I do think this would be fair to say. We could also say that LBJ, with his superior experience, has now found a way to "coast" through the season without trying as hard as before. This allows him to conserve energy for the playoffs, when it counts. Hence why he hasn't been that impressive this season. I do also think this would be fair to say. But it does also mean that he realizes he has to conserve energy, a sign that he is getting older as a player. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On February 13 2014 22:44 cLutZ wrote: It would be, but that would be against the body of history. So fans in 100 years would be like "Why does Lebron have 10 MVPs when no one else has 5?" There is a history of people being "robbed" and its hard to even argue this would be a robbing. I was (hopefully obviously) joking. What I'm amazed with is that he's scoring the third most points of anyone in the league, while playing all-NBA level defense, which is why he's ahead of Durant in all discussion, IMO. Durant is still an indifferent defender to me. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
EDIT: It was Dirk. | ||
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seiferoth10
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
Examining the literal definition of the award (which usually gets ignored) is likely a toss up, with Durant probably winning due to Westbrook's absence, but if I asked any of you who you would want to win the title based on this season's performance, who would you take? I'm curious to see what everyone says. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 14 2014 06:12 AgentW wrote: I understand that the prevailing viewpoint is that Durant is running away with the MVP because he's killing it without Westbrook (who I don't particularly care for, but that's not really relevant), but isn't LeBron performing at a high level with an in and out of the lineup Wade and an increasing three point shooting Bosh? Examining the literal definition of the award (which usually gets ignored) is likely a toss up, with Durant probably winning due to Westbrook's absence, but if I asked any of you who you would want to win the title based on this season's performance, who would you take? I'm curious to see what everyone says. Durant b/c of Bestbrook's absence. I was actually surprised when I just looked that his WS/48 is higher than LBJ's this year, but it is. Both teams would be about Chicago-level this year though, IMO without their respective stars. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
A nice collection of Durant highlights from this year: | ||
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kidleaderr
369 Posts
On February 14 2014 06:12 AgentW wrote: I understand that the prevailing viewpoint is that Durant is running away with the MVP because he's killing it without Westbrook (who I don't particularly care for, but that's not really relevant), but isn't LeBron performing at a high level with an in and out of the lineup Wade and an increasing three point shooting Bosh? Examining the literal definition of the award (which usually gets ignored) is likely a toss up, with Durant probably winning due to Westbrook's absence, but if I asked any of you who you would want to win the title based on this season's performance, who would you take? I'm curious to see what everyone says. no. durant still wins and is the best player this year. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On February 14 2014 06:28 cLutZ wrote: Durant b/c of Bestbrook's absence. I was actually surprised when I just looked that his WS/48 is higher than LBJ's this year, but it is. Both teams would be about Chicago-level this year though, IMO without their respective stars. Is this in response to winning the MVP or the title question? EDIT: Also, why do people just ignore defense? Because it's difficult to quanitfy? LeBron is clearly a better defender, and it's not close. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 14 2014 07:36 AgentW wrote: Is this in response to winning the MVP or the title question? EDIT: Also, why do people just ignore defense? Because it's difficult to quanitfy? LeBron is clearly a better defender, and it's not close. MVP I thought. Im not ignoring defense, and actually my answer was going to be LeBron until I actually looked at minutes etc. Durant is playing better than I even expected. edit, as for title, I would still pick Miami, because why not? I think no team really would be above 30, 40% chance to win the title this year, but Id still give them the highest %. I think the worst case for Miami would be for the Bulls to get the 3 Seed, because even though they are terrible, I wouldn't want to play what would likely be a 5 game series with the Bulls back-to-back with a 7 game series with the Pacers. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On February 14 2014 07:46 cLutZ wrote: MVP I thought. Im not ignoring defense, and actually my answer was going to be LeBron until I actually looked at minutes etc. Durant is playing better than I even expected. edit, as for title, I would still pick Miami, because why not? I think no team really would be above 30, 40% chance to win the title this year, but Id still give them the highest %. I think the worst case for Miami would be for the Bulls to get the 3 Seed, because even though they are terrible, I wouldn't want to play what would likely be a 5 game series with the Bulls back-to-back with a 7 game series with the Pacers. I need to start wording my questions better, sorry for the confusion. This is what I meant initially: If you wanted to win a title this year, which player would you select first? | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On February 14 2014 07:58 AgentW wrote: I need to start wording my questions better, sorry for the confusion. This is what I meant initially: If you wanted to win a title this year, which player would you select first? as of now. KD gets it and lebron second. no one close at third (PG offense completely dropped off this month). but with 30 games to go, lebron can easily reclaim it, especially with westbrook back after ASW ooops. sorry. misread your question. i would probably still take lebron to build around THIS year. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 14 2014 07:58 AgentW wrote: I need to start wording my questions better, sorry for the confusion. This is what I meant initially: If you wanted to win a title this year, which player would you select first? LBJ because its incredibly easy to build a contender around a healthy Lebron. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
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