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Time to move on to the next thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/460943-2014-2015-football-thread
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 11 2014 12:20 GMT
#13361
On March 11 2014 20:24 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
definitely the best keeper for the last few and probably upcoming years

what this highlight doesnt even show: his amazing ability to make the game fast and play accurate passes almost as well as the worlds best play makers

bonus: he can throw balls as far as some amateur players can not even shoot them



I can never pass up the chance to link this:

[image loading]
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
March 11 2014 12:42 GMT
#13362
lol what am i even expecting. I wont even start a discussion u ignorant fools. LOL

Seriously.. ^^

User was warned for this post
hatred outlives the hateful
MagickMan
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia498 Posts
March 11 2014 12:58 GMT
#13363
Jokes aside, i think we can all agree Ruddy is n1 in the world right now.
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
March 11 2014 13:05 GMT
#13364
On March 11 2014 21:42 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
lol what am i even expecting. I wont even start a discussion u ignorant fools. LOL

Seriously.. ^^

In what aspect does he surpass other mentioned gk-ers so that he should be number one? :D
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 11 2014 13:09 GMT
#13365
On March 11 2014 22:05 Kotreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 21:42 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
lol what am i even expecting. I wont even start a discussion u ignorant fools. LOL

Seriously.. ^^

In what aspect does he surpass other mentioned gk-ers so that he should be number one? :D


Yeah i too am waiting for his statistics. A keeper isn't meant to be able to knock a 40 yard pass to feet, they are meant to stop goals first of all and anything on top of that is a bonus.
Like Petr Cech is far behind any of the "newer" type goalkeepers of today, his distribution is down right awful at times, however i think i will still pick him over most others out there.

I will also still probably say Buffon is up there as a worlds best. He still gets Italy out of some holes with great saves just what you need.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Akka
Profile Joined August 2010
France291 Posts
March 11 2014 13:48 GMT
#13366
Lloris #1! :p
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
March 11 2014 13:49 GMT
#13367
agree
don't think neuer is better than cech, casillas or buffon...
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 11 2014 14:01 GMT
#13368
On March 11 2014 22:49 BeaTeR wrote:
agree
don't think neuer is better than cech, casillas or buffon...


Happy Birthday Beater :DDDDD
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Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
March 11 2014 14:01 GMT
#13369
On March 11 2014 22:09 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:05 Kotreb wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:42 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
lol what am i even expecting. I wont even start a discussion u ignorant fools. LOL

Seriously.. ^^

In what aspect does he surpass other mentioned gk-ers so that he should be number one? :D


Yeah i too am waiting for his statistics. A keeper isn't meant to be able to knock a 40 yard pass to feet, they are meant to stop goals first of all and anything on top of that is a bonus.
Like Petr Cech is far behind any of the "newer" type goalkeepers of today, his distribution is down right awful at times, however i think i will still pick him over most others out there.

I will also still probably say Buffon is up there as a worlds best. He still gets Italy out of some holes with great saves just what you need.



*sight*...

Honestly its quite the opposite. Catching the ball well is something that around 100 players can do. Playing with their foot like Neuer is something no one can do right now.

Dont believe me, believe the numbers:

Player | Avg. passes | Pass suc.% | Accurate long balls per game
Petr Cech | 17.3 | 53 | 4.8
Gianluigi Buffon | 13.8 | 80.7 | 3.3
Manuel Neuer | 25.2 | 85.6 | 5.7

It has something to do that Bayern is a ball possession team? Nope.

Victor Valdes 15.3 62.9 2.7

"But the others are better catching the ball which is way more important for a goalkeeper"

first i disagree

second this:
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(from early 2013 sorry couldn´t find a better one but i dont think it changes that much)
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 14:10:05
March 11 2014 14:09 GMT
#13370
On March 11 2014 23:01 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:49 BeaTeR wrote:
agree
don't think neuer is better than cech, casillas or buffon...


Happy Birthday Beater :DDDDD

thx mate!

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warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
March 11 2014 14:18 GMT
#13371
Being in a team dominating it's championship, the average shot on goal is going to be 'easier' to defend compared to the average shot on goal against, say, Swansea.

It's really difficult to compare goalkeepers with statistics today.
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
March 11 2014 14:22 GMT
#13372
It does have something with the style of play that the team (these data show that he is better than Valdes) has. Accurate long balls go in favor of your argument. Statistics are in his favor, but you also have to take into account in what team he plays and league (league obviously isn't much of an factor here since bundesliga is a strong league), but his team also "helps" him in a way.

No one is saying that he is a bad gk or that he doesn't belong in the world top 5-10, it's just nobody is totally convinced that he is undisputed no1.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
March 11 2014 14:22 GMT
#13373
On March 11 2014 23:18 warding wrote:
Being in a team dominating it's championship, the average shot on goal is going to be 'easier' to defend compared to the average shot on goal against, say, Swansea.

It's really difficult to compare goalkeepers with statistics today.


Yea Cech, Buffon and Casilias play at such bad teams
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 14:31:08
March 11 2014 14:27 GMT
#13374
Well for a start Cech has more shots at him than Neuer does because one the league is more competitve and two we are not as good so we are still open to shots.
Last season in 2013
Cech had 90 shots at him and saved 80 of them. He also had a 92% saving record which is pretty good considering the again the league he is playing in

Neuer stat
His seven goals conceded from 130 shots creates a save percentage of 94.6, which is exceptional, although it dips to 83.7 percent in the Champions League.
That was in 2013 as well.

But i do think this is all ifs and buts. They are both good keepers but i just think Cech deserves more respect due to he has played in an open Chelsea team in the last few seasons and still been so good between the sticks. Neuer probably hasn't even faced as many shots as Cech has in the first half of the prem season as he has in the Bundesliga and Champs league in total xD
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 14:32:18
March 11 2014 14:32 GMT
#13375
while id agree that neuer is unparalleled in his passing skills amongst other goal keepers, as pande said earlier, its just a bonus. you look for goal keeping ability from goalkeepers, not passing ability. the only coach in the whole world who would look at a goalkeepers passing ability is the one neuer is playing for right now. and thats only cause pep plays like an 11 man midfield.
ive seen neuer go full retard too many times (barthez style) to say hes the best. he might be up there within the top 5, but hardly an easy number 1
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
March 11 2014 14:34 GMT
#13376
On March 11 2014 23:22 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 23:18 warding wrote:
Being in a team dominating it's championship, the average shot on goal is going to be 'easier' to defend compared to the average shot on goal against, say, Swansea.

It's really difficult to compare goalkeepers with statistics today.


Yea Cech, Buffon and Casilias play at such bad teams


They don't and that isn't what anybody is saying. There aren't a lot of teams in Germany that can threaten Bayern right now. Teams might not even get a single chance if they don't try desperate attempts. (No I don't have any statistic to prove my point.) I sure believe that Neuer got rid of some weaknesses while others only disappeared because his team is so dominant.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18764 Posts
March 11 2014 14:53 GMT
#13377
Also another reason neuer is not the clear 1 is national tram performances

casillas and buffon (the best two in the world for me) constantly deliever for their national teams as well
I don't think Neuer ever saved Germany in an important match.

on the other hand buffon and casillas played crucial roles in winning WCs
Akka
Profile Joined August 2010
France291 Posts
March 11 2014 15:06 GMT
#13378
I think we should ask Neuer to take Llloris' place in Tottenham for a few games to see what he's really worth.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6324 Posts
March 11 2014 15:13 GMT
#13379
On March 11 2014 23:53 sharkie wrote:
Also another reason neuer is not the clear 1 is national tram performances

casillas and buffon (the best two in the world for me) constantly deliever for their national teams as well
I don't think Neuer ever saved Germany in an important match.

on the other hand buffon and casillas played crucial roles in winning WCs

Totally agreed, and Cech for example was incredibly inportant for Chelsea and their CL run.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 15:17:45
March 11 2014 15:16 GMT
#13380
Muslera is the best, Neuer #2 Cech #3

Not biased at all :3
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
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