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Time to move on to the next thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/460943-2014-2015-football-thread
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28796 Posts
December 05 2013 23:37 GMT
#8381
I think that's smart. Sounds pretty drastic but it's obviously more fitting and overall balanced. Now one yellow card doesn't actually punish the team much during the actual game, so it's like, all players are basically permitted to commit one yellow card-inducing foul every match and then it depends on squad depth whether the team ends up suffering from that in the long run. A time punishment would instead mean that the team that suffers the foul also reaps the benefit. Additionally temporary power play could function as like, windows of opportunity for changing the flow of the game, making it fluctuate more. In addition you don't get people who are red carded for throwing the ball in frustration after having gotten a slightly dubious yellow card during some tackle earlier in the game.

But then it is actually a really big change. Basically, if the rules of football were created today, having time punishment rather than the yellow red cards would be a no-brainer I think. What we have just isn't a good system, question if whether it's so broken it needs fixing.
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
December 06 2013 01:01 GMT
#8382
That's the worst idea I've ever heard imo, lol.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 01:21:08
December 06 2013 01:20 GMT
#8383
Why don't we try it, say, in that U17 tournament in India, maybe it'd be fun. One negative impact could be that it gives referees a greater chance to influence a game if for some obscure reason they wish to.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 06 2013 01:40 GMT
#8384
Buried in Jeffrey Carlisle's story on ESPN about FC Dallas focusing on Guillermo Barros Schelotto for their vacant head coaching position is a nugget Seattle Sounders fans should take some interest in: assistant coach Brian Schmetzer is among those who have already interviewed for the position.

This shouldn't necessarily come as a surprise, as Schmetzer is among the most qualified assistants in the league. Not only has he been a key component on Sigi Schmid's staff -- handling much of the preparation for upcoming opponents -- but he was also among the USL's most successful coaches before making the move with the Sounders to MLS. It was also confirmed that Schmetzer interviewed for the Montreal Impact job before the 2012 season, a position that ultimately went to Jesse Marsch.

Similar to the situation with the Impact -- where Schmetzer knows Sporting Director Nick De Santis -- it appears personal connections may be playing a part in Dallas' interest as well. One of Schmetzer's first assistant coaching jobs was with the Seattle SeaDogs of the Continental Indoor Soccer League, working under current Dallas Technical Director Fernando Clavijo.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18636 Posts
December 06 2013 01:42 GMT
#8385
That's the best thing to have ever come out of Platini's mouth.
If there is one thing I horribly dislike in football is the unpunished tactical foul.
You destroy a good chance of the opposition's team and go out of it almost unpunished (wow a yellow card lol).

It would also decrease the amount of dangerous fouls I am sure.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 03:17:39
December 06 2013 02:57 GMT
#8386
On December 05 2013 07:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Watching liverpool-norwich highlights, I have a hard time thinking of any examples ever where anyone scored 4 that beautiful goals, or even 3 goals as beautiful as 1-3-4. and then he also had an assist. The third goal is gonna be contender for PL goal of the season, the finishing is extraordinary.


Ive said this before and I will say it again,

For all his faults and they are undeniable, you cannot be a football fan and not love Suarez.

On December 06 2013 10:42 sharkie wrote:
That's the best thing to have ever come out of Platini's mouth.
If there is one thing I horribly dislike in football is the unpunished tactical foul.
You destroy a good chance of the opposition's team and go out of it almost unpunished (wow a yellow card lol).

It would also decrease the amount of dangerous fouls I am sure.


Well unless its a drastic time punishment, a player will still take a few minutes of penalty time over a promising move when its still high up the pitch, so its effectiveness will be pretty variable. Would be interesting to see a well thought out practical application though.. Wouldnt say its a no brainer.

Regardless professional fouls is a part of the game in a way, somewhat unsavory but its not a sport for fairies is it..
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 14:16:23
December 06 2013 06:51 GMT
#8387
Time penalties for yellow or red cards are a bad idea.

First, football is a sport were the clock never stops, measuring the exact length of the penalty could be hard.

Second and more importantly it could create the same problem as the "sudden death" golden goal thing that was popular in the late 90/early 00. The idea was that it makes the overtime more exciting but it did the opposite teams were so concerned about loosing on a counter attack that they played super defensive which lead to boring overtimes. If you are in danger to get off the field in every 50/50 ball duel you are way more carful. It would also overly favor ball possession teams like Barca, Spain or Bayern that doesn´t have that much defensive fouls because of their tactical system.

Also there would be problems to fix like Goalkeepers(sending them off the field for 10 minutes could be a bit harsh ), penalties that goes longer than the game and the fact that everyone would "die from pain" on every contact because it benefits your team more.

Don´t forget yellow cards are not a "punishment". They are originally designed as a warning, to protect the players and to make it clear for everyone where the limits of the referee are in terms of contact. Thats why it is a card in a signal color that everyone can see instead of a talk to the player.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 06 2013 07:39 GMT
#8388
Yeah, I don't like it. In the ideal world it sounds like a great idea, but Football isn't the ideal game. Incorrect red cards already drastically affect the game and now Platini wants yellow cards to do that too? Like UsvBleakill says, all this is going to lead to is more theatrics and more annoyance in the long run.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
December 06 2013 08:52 GMT
#8389
Yeah send someone out for 5 minutes, and the team is just going to rely on delay tactics during those 5 minutes.

That´s constant cornerhugging and goalkeepers being slow with their goalkicks.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 06 2013 09:18 GMT
#8390
Yeah im sorry but Platini and Blatter are so out of touch with football it literally makes me mad every time i see them on tv giving "opinions" about shit.
From the way they handle proceedings to how long it takes them to implement useful things (Goal Line technology) all just makes me think it must be corrupt due to the way it is going.

How on earth Platini and Blatter are still in charge of their respective federations is beyond me, like WAYYY beyond me.
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wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 09:32:10
December 06 2013 09:29 GMT
#8391
Haha guys, come on, time punishments would be horrible for the tactical aspect of the game. Since most fouls are delivered by centre-backs and defensive midfielders, one temp ban would already destroy the defensive setup of a team that's landed on and two players down in a short period of time would be equal to a total disaster (remember tense games played these days, where yellow cards fly out of refs pockets like crazy).

The only way to balance it back in this case would be perhaps to give the managers an option to temporarily sub one player and bolster the backlines. But then, aside from further disturbance in the game flow, it would totally favor rich clubs that can afford to have 4 or 5 quality centre-backs on a payroll just to fill up the in-game holes.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 06 2013 10:06 GMT
#8392
Time penalties for yellow card? oh hehe have you guys ever watched a copa libertadores, copa sudamericana, or south american football in general? 10-12 yellow cards is almost a normal game lol :O Dont see how this would work. They should focus on doing something about the double punishment for goalkeepers when they cause a penalty and get sent off.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
December 06 2013 12:25 GMT
#8393
I don't understand Platini:
he is against simple changes like goal-line technology, but he proposes drastic changes like time penalties and abolishing the concept of host nations for Euro Cups.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 06 2013 12:29 GMT
#8394
On December 06 2013 21:25 Maenander wrote:
I don't understand Platini:
he is against simple changes like goal-line technology, but he proposes drastic changes like time penalties and abolishing the concept of host nations for Euro Cups.


Yeah, totally agree. Guy is a fucking idiot imo. I use strong words like these for people who really are out of touch with the reality of where football is at.

For me there are 2 issues that need addressing across the world game;

1. Goal Line Technology, for me this needs to be in every game for as cheap as possible, or atleast in every stadium at the top leagues. Defiantly in Champions League
2. Diving, for me this should be the biggest effort to stamp it out from FIFA/UEFA. More punishments, a panel from UEFA for champions league games deciding who is getting retrospective punishment etc and bans. FIFA should be pressuring the FAs around the world with it too.

That is my only issues with the game.

Oh i guess you can say racism, but that seems only a few selective countries where it happens alot
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
December 06 2013 13:25 GMT
#8395
On December 06 2013 08:30 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 08:16 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
So you guys heard Platini wants to get rid of yellow cards and introduce time punishment?

So I heard Platini doesn't like Blatter, but wants to be his successor, so he tries to make media headlines whenver possible, trying to look "innovative" and present himself as Blatter's opposite.


If he wants to stand out, he could to be not completely corrupt.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
December 06 2013 13:46 GMT
#8396
Every time the subject of corruption comes up, like magic, the most important thing in the world becomes 'the fight against racism'. UEFA in a nutshell
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
December 06 2013 13:58 GMT
#8397
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 15:33:47
December 06 2013 15:30 GMT
#8398
On December 06 2013 17:52 Twisted wrote:
Yeah send someone out for 5 minutes, and the team is just going to rely on delay tactics during those 5 minutes.

That´s constant cornerhugging and goalkeepers being slow with their goalkicks.


Hockey does this kind of thing and it works very well. You see pure defensive play and whatnot and it's still quite exciting.

That said, I don't think this is a good idea. There are a number of problems that you guys brought up that are separate issues from this idea, but if you actually just fix those issues, then this idea is useless. We need more punishment for time wasting and more punishment for diving. Fix those two things and a LOT will change within the game; most importantly, it should increase the pace of the game, with less "fouls" to slow down the game and less time-wasting (via slow free kicks and whatnot). Also, more punishment for tactical fouls on a goal-scoring opportunity outside the box. Hockey gives you a penalty shot even if you aren't that close to the opponent's net. I don't necessarily know about giving a PK in soccer (since they are way, way, way easier to make and affect the game more), but there should be more punishment.

Yeah, totally agree. Guy is a fucking idiot imo. I use strong words like these for people who really are out of touch with the reality of where football is at.

For me there are 2 issues that need addressing across the world game;

1. Goal Line Technology, for me this needs to be in every game for as cheap as possible, or atleast in every stadium at the top leagues. Defiantly in Champions League
2. Diving, for me this should be the biggest effort to stamp it out from FIFA/UEFA. More punishments, a panel from UEFA for champions league games deciding who is getting retrospective punishment etc and bans. FIFA should be pressuring the FAs around the world with it too.

That is my only issues with the game.

Oh i guess you can say racism, but that seems only a few selective countries where it happens alot


Yea, it blows my mind that most of the world is so ok with an organization that is so obviously corrupt and out-of-touch with the sport that they control.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Azza
Profile Joined June 2010
China650 Posts
December 07 2013 12:18 GMT
#8399
Interesting reports of RVP handing in a transfer request. Take it with a pinch of salt, but it's still a funny rumour.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 07 2013 14:05 GMT
#8400
lol Newcastle in the lead! Evra really poor defensively.
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