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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 21 2013 19:14 GMT
#5341
On September 22 2013 03:53 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 03:26 Pandemona wrote:

We seem at the moment not good enough/confident enough to beat teams who play 10men behind the ball and try counter.


Honestly against these kind of teams there is no reason to not play both Oscar and Mata. That should give you more than enough creativity from midfield to beat them and Ramirez has enough enough stamina to handle the defensive side.


Yeah Mourinho touched on it in his interview. Mata first is not fit, he is not at the level he needs to be, also he needs to change the way he defends. He doesn't press the ball like Hazard and Oscar do, that is the reason he finds himself not playing
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 21 2013 19:19 GMT
#5342
I actually really liked the interview with Jose. Finally a good reason why Mata isn't playing. I got a much better idea of what he's trying to accomplish now. He wants Mata to do defensive work as well. And with him saying that he wants Oscar and Mata to both play and the way he talks about Hazard I feel like the idea is to have those three play and to eventually switch to something like a 4-1-4-1 system when he thinks that Mata is ready.

If we get there this team is going to be immensely scary.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2013 19:37 GMT
#5343
So Neymar has 6 shots in the season far and made 5 goals.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 21 2013 19:58 GMT
#5344
Looks like Everton is an easy place to overachieve...
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
September 21 2013 20:18 GMT
#5345


Also fuck you Liverpool. Losing to Southampton at home killed my week in FPL. That, and Benteke getting hurt
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
September 21 2013 21:48 GMT
#5346
On September 22 2013 04:14 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 03:53 Ysellian wrote:
On September 22 2013 03:26 Pandemona wrote:

We seem at the moment not good enough/confident enough to beat teams who play 10men behind the ball and try counter.


Honestly against these kind of teams there is no reason to not play both Oscar and Mata. That should give you more than enough creativity from midfield to beat them and Ramirez has enough enough stamina to handle the defensive side.


Yeah Mourinho touched on it in his interview. Mata first is not fit, he is not at the level he needs to be, also he needs to change the way he defends. He doesn't press the ball like Hazard and Oscar do, that is the reason he finds himself not playing


Is the interview available on youtube?

Makes sense though, if Mata can cover some of the defensive duties you basically have the best of both worlds.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
September 21 2013 21:54 GMT
#5347
On September 22 2013 05:18 Ferrose wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVnM5w16R2Q


Also fuck you Liverpool. Losing to Southampton at home killed my week in FPL. That, and Benteke getting hurt


I got literally murdered because of that
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 22:00:00
September 21 2013 21:59 GMT
#5348
So Toronto loses to Sporting KC and loses a player to a Red Card, and two of their staff sent off
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Dust14
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium490 Posts
September 21 2013 22:06 GMT
#5349
On September 22 2013 04:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I actually really liked the interview with Jose. Finally a good reason why Mata isn't playing. I got a much better idea of what he's trying to accomplish now. He wants Mata to do defensive work as well. And with him saying that he wants Oscar and Mata to both play and the way he talks about Hazard I feel like the idea is to have those three play and to eventually switch to something like a 4-1-4-1 system when he thinks that Mata is ready.

If we get there this team is going to be immensely scary.

That man likes Hazard way too much for his own good
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 21 2013 22:18 GMT
#5350
On September 22 2013 06:48 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 04:14 Pandemona wrote:
On September 22 2013 03:53 Ysellian wrote:
On September 22 2013 03:26 Pandemona wrote:

We seem at the moment not good enough/confident enough to beat teams who play 10men behind the ball and try counter.


Honestly against these kind of teams there is no reason to not play both Oscar and Mata. That should give you more than enough creativity from midfield to beat them and Ramirez has enough enough stamina to handle the defensive side.


Yeah Mourinho touched on it in his interview. Mata first is not fit, he is not at the level he needs to be, also he needs to change the way he defends. He doesn't press the ball like Hazard and Oscar do, that is the reason he finds himself not playing


Is the interview available on youtube?

Makes sense though, if Mata can cover some of the defensive duties you basically have the best of both worlds.


Doesn't look like it is xD
But yeah it is typical mourinho, and he says the style he wants to chelsea to play is a team who is comfertable in possesion and can press the ball when they don't have it. So basically i guess barcelona style?/Bayern style where your a good team that play with the ball and when you don't have it you pressssssssure. What Chelsea haven't done in a while xD And well Mata is a touch bit lazy at that.

And Luiz and Mata in the Basel game cost the goals so thats why they were dropped. Mata stood still in the middle of the pitch whilst they passed around him and scored the 2nd. And well Luiz is Luiz :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
September 22 2013 00:12 GMT
#5351
I still have a problem with Mourinho here, I feel like he's trying to force the style he likes and is comfortable with instead of using the personnel Chelsea has to their potential.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Craze
Profile Joined July 2010
United States561 Posts
September 22 2013 00:20 GMT
#5352
Chelsea doesn't have the personnel to play their old style of long diagonal balls anymore, that's exactly what he was saying. They have a team of small, fast, technical players and they need to create intricate passing lanes, not lump it up field for their CF to hold. Kick it long and Drogba would hold it up, earn a free kick, or steamroll his defender and do something amazing all on his own.
gutenberg
Profile Joined September 2013
Belgium1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 00:41:11
September 22 2013 00:41 GMT
#5353
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
fennern
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
September 22 2013 00:52 GMT
#5354
Where do you think Mata will go? I think Chelsea will be willing to sell him to PSG, but really the ideal place for him is United.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 05:23:03
September 22 2013 05:21 GMT
#5355
On September 22 2013 09:20 Craze wrote:
Chelsea doesn't have the personnel to play their old style of long diagonal balls anymore, that's exactly what he was saying. They have a team of small, fast, technical players and they need to create intricate passing lanes, not lump it up field for their CF to hold. Kick it long and Drogba would hold it up, earn a free kick, or steamroll his defender and do something amazing all on his own.


I don't understand at all, their newer personnel and necessary game plan is focused on small, fast technical players and intricate passing lanes, so that's why Mourinho is making sense to be benching their most technical player and visionary passer? It seems like that's what you are saying. That old Chelsea is completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with whether Mata and Oscar can play together or not.

On September 22 2013 09:52 kakaman wrote:
Where do you think Mata will go? I think Chelsea will be willing to sell him to PSG, but really the ideal place for him is United.

Don't they already have Kagawa to fill that same bench-warmer position?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Craze
Profile Joined July 2010
United States561 Posts
September 22 2013 05:27 GMT
#5356
On September 22 2013 14:21 ZapRoffo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:20 Craze wrote:
Chelsea doesn't have the personnel to play their old style of long diagonal balls anymore, that's exactly what he was saying. They have a team of small, fast, technical players and they need to create intricate passing lanes, not lump it up field for their CF to hold. Kick it long and Drogba would hold it up, earn a free kick, or steamroll his defender and do something amazing all on his own.


I don't understand at all, their newer personnel and necessary game plan is focused on small, fast technical players and intricate passing lanes, so that's why Mourinho is making sense to be benching their most technical player and visionary passer? It seems like that's what you are saying. That old Chelsea is completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with whether Mata and Oscar can play together or not.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:52 kakaman wrote:
Where do you think Mata will go? I think Chelsea will be willing to sell him to PSG, but really the ideal place for him is United.

Don't they already have Kagawa to fill that same bench-warmer position?


Yes but Mata doesn't work hard on defense, and Oscar has been fantastic in the 10 role. He also does the hard work pressing.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 05:48:50
September 22 2013 05:48 GMT
#5357
On September 22 2013 14:27 Craze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 14:21 ZapRoffo wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 Craze wrote:
Chelsea doesn't have the personnel to play their old style of long diagonal balls anymore, that's exactly what he was saying. They have a team of small, fast, technical players and they need to create intricate passing lanes, not lump it up field for their CF to hold. Kick it long and Drogba would hold it up, earn a free kick, or steamroll his defender and do something amazing all on his own.


I don't understand at all, their newer personnel and necessary game plan is focused on small, fast technical players and intricate passing lanes, so that's why Mourinho is making sense to be benching their most technical player and visionary passer? It seems like that's what you are saying. That old Chelsea is completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with whether Mata and Oscar can play together or not.

On September 22 2013 09:52 kakaman wrote:
Where do you think Mata will go? I think Chelsea will be willing to sell him to PSG, but really the ideal place for him is United.

Don't they already have Kagawa to fill that same bench-warmer position?


Yes but Mata doesn't work hard on defense, and Oscar has been fantastic in the 10 role. He also does the hard work pressing.


I don't believe they need to press like a Barcelona, they still have a very solid back 5 that can play dropped off some of the time (unlike Barcelona) with a few other pressing workers. They can afford to let other teams have the ball a bit. That's just a notion Mourinho is bringing to this for some reason, they can now only play this envisioned pressing style all the time.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 06:02:11
September 22 2013 06:01 GMT
#5358
Not surprised that Augsburg lost, but the way they lost. A 1-1 draw away at Hannover (who have 4 wins in 4 home games) would have been a good result, but Ostrzolek conceded a penalty for a handball in the 89th minute to give Hannover the win : /

On September 22 2013 00:23 Pandemona wrote:
My prediction coming true again xD

I always say Liverpool only turn up vs the big teams, and when they are faced with teams /defending and /counter they just fall apart and lose games they shouldn't They in big trouble 1-0 down at home to Southampton atm


Southampton aren't really a defending/counterattacking team though. Under Pochettino they play a high defensive line and focus on pressing the other team's players and condensing the space in midfield. Remember, the last time (and only time) that Liverpool played against Pochettino's Southampton, they lost 3-1.

Plus Rodgers made an odd tactical decision by playing four center backs (Agger, Skrtel, Toure, and Sakho).

On September 22 2013 09:20 Craze wrote:
Chelsea doesn't have the personnel to play their old style of long diagonal balls anymore, that's exactly what he was saying. They have a team of small, fast, technical players and they need to create intricate passing lanes, not lump it up field for their CF to hold. Kick it long and Drogba would hold it up, earn a free kick, or steamroll his defender and do something amazing all on his own.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2426426/Chelsea-built-team-Pep-Guardiola-got-Jose-Mourinho.html

Finally, yeah, this is from Newcastle-Hull City, but it needs more love:

[image loading]

What a hit, son.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
September 22 2013 06:03 GMT
#5359
On September 22 2013 14:21 ZapRoffo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:20 Craze wrote:
Chelsea doesn't have the personnel to play their old style of long diagonal balls anymore, that's exactly what he was saying. They have a team of small, fast, technical players and they need to create intricate passing lanes, not lump it up field for their CF to hold. Kick it long and Drogba would hold it up, earn a free kick, or steamroll his defender and do something amazing all on his own.


I don't understand at all, their newer personnel and necessary game plan is focused on small, fast technical players and intricate passing lanes, so that's why Mourinho is making sense to be benching their most technical player and visionary passer? It seems like that's what you are saying. That old Chelsea is completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with whether Mata and Oscar can play together or not.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:52 kakaman wrote:
Where do you think Mata will go? I think Chelsea will be willing to sell him to PSG, but really the ideal place for him is United.

Don't they already have Kagawa to fill that same bench-warmer position?



Exactly, it's like benching iniesta or messi cause they are not pressuring that much.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
September 22 2013 06:18 GMT
#5360
A CL commentators pointed towards this goal. Checked and it was amazing:

+ Show Spoiler +


Vladimir Weiss... Messis are among us.
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