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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 05:54:23
June 22 2013 05:04 GMT
#41
On June 22 2013 14:03 Ace wrote:
holy shit. How is that possible when Duncan's teams have such high winning %? Maybe Duncan's minute load going down over the years?

very strange though.


Right? Get this one, Total Win Shares / 48 minutes - Tony Parker is 91st All-time. T-Mac is 87th.

Also re: Duncan... his Total Wins Shares / 48 min is 11th all time.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 22 2013 05:43 GMT
#42
I'm sure whenever they make up these crazy stats they just look at the top 10 players and make adjustments until it looks right.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 23 2013 15:59 GMT
#43



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/22/report-doc-rivers-tried-to-fight-rajon-rondo-after-celtics-point-guard-swore-at-him/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 17:20:44
June 23 2013 17:20 GMT
#44
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1677741-exclusive-chael-sonnen-details-history-beef-with-lebron-james

Sonnen is an idiot, but this line is golden:
B/R: You versus LeBron James at UFC 200. Who wins the fight, and how?

CS: He’d run away faster than his hairline. His hair went North, his talents went South, and his mother went West.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 23 2013 18:29 GMT
#45
If you're a Detroit Pistons fans dont read the special on the 2003 Draft sitting on ESPN. Save your tears.

Of course, I am laughing my ass off so hard right now.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
June 23 2013 18:47 GMT
#46
On June 24 2013 03:29 Ace wrote:
If you're a Detroit Pistons fans dont read the special on the 2003 Draft sitting on ESPN. Save your tears.

Of course, I am laughing my ass off so hard right now.


They showed a clip on ESPN about that draft and a random Detroit fan was at the draft live yelling 'Milicic to Detroit, championship next season YAAAA!'

Then they showed Melo's face when Darko got picked ahead of him, lulz were had.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 20:24:27
June 23 2013 19:56 GMT
#47
On June 24 2013 03:29 Ace wrote:
If you're a Detroit Pistons fans dont read the special on the 2003 Draft sitting on ESPN. Save your tears.

Of course, I am laughing my ass off so hard right now.

This is heartbreaking.

Will Robinson (Pistons scout, 1976-2003): [Darko] is going to own the game. Own the game. We're going to have to build a new arena. The only thing that could destroy a kid like that is a woman.

...

Ford: It was just a moment when the unknown had eclipsed the known. Many of the younger GMs had this international fever. There was a mania to find the next Dirk. There was a realization by these NBA guys that these Euro players could play. As scouts were bemoaning the state of basketball in the U.S. because of AAU, here are these Euros who were so skilled and had been drilled in all the arts. Scouts were flocking over to Europe. Jerry West was the one voice who was consistently calling me and asking me why Darko was rated so high. I thought he was being xenophobic. He was old school.

West: We did our research. There's no way we would've taken Darko at No. 2.


From Chad Ford’s 2003 Mock
Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: He’s the real deal. He’s really one of a kind. He runs the floor, handles the ball, shoots the NBA 3-pointer, plays with his back to the basket, so you can slot him in at the 3, 4 or 5. What sets Darko apart is his toughness in the post. You have to love a guy who has the footwork to spin by an opponent, but still prefers to lower a shoulder and bang. Fact is, Milicic plays in attack-mode at both ends of the floor. The more you push, the more he pushes back. He’s got a great frame. He’ll definitely get stronger. He’ll have no problem holding his own in the post.


I'm still not sure how much was Darko and how much was Brown. Some people are still upset at Brown for handling his development so poorly and the truth of the matter is he absolutely did. Even for a rookie on a good team, Darko got historically little playing time.

http://www.82games.com/pelton16.htm

Once they started calling him the "Human Victory Cigar," his confidence was shot at just 18 years old. Now it's debatable whether young players don't develop well because they don't get playing time or if they don't get playing time because they aren't developing well, but I remember reading a Sheed interview where he said Darko could really play. Same from Big Ben. Maybe just trying to boost his confidence, but there were so many people high on him. And we know Brown had issues with other young players like Delfino.

The other fucking ridiculous thing about that season is that we made the pick because we needed a big man at the time and Tayshaun had just came up huge in the playoffs so we didn't need Melo (plus he'd gotten fat.) The Sheed trade was fantastic, but it turned out there was another big man on the team. Fucking Memo Okur, who became a borderline all-star and would've certainly been a serviceable big man with Sheed and Ben. I don't think they wanted to pay him long term, but he was only making like 8.5m a year.

So to recap, 2005+ Pistons could've been Chauncey, Wade, Rip, Tayshaun, Sheed, Okur, Big Ben, McDyess.

I hate everything.

EDIT: As an aside, I wonder how many people remember just how good McDyess was. The guy was explosive as hell. Shawn Kemp explosive. And a great defender. Then he blew out his knee, and completely re-invents his game to become a great mid-range jump shooter. Maybe a HoFer without the injury. One of my favorite guys of all time. It's a shame the Suns didn't keep him and Kidd together. That would've been an awesome team. He was never a leader-type, but he had the game we all want Blake Griffin to develop. Better defender, rebounder, jump shot and post game.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
June 23 2013 20:46 GMT
#48
... and rivers to clippers back on!

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--clippers-finalizing-deal-with-celtics-to-hire-doc-rivers-as-coach-202137296.html
starleague forever
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 23 2013 21:30 GMT
#49
McDyess is one of my favourite players as well, although I never saw him pre injury, i really liked his game post injury.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
June 23 2013 23:12 GMT
#50
doc rivers to clippers gone through
awaiting league approval

rivers for 2015 first rounder
starleague forever
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
June 23 2013 23:16 GMT
#51
Oh snap, doc rivers to clippers :O
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
June 23 2013 23:27 GMT
#52
On June 24 2013 08:12 a176 wrote:
doc rivers to clippers gone through
awaiting league approval

rivers for 2015 first rounder


Good stuff. Now we'll see if they can move DeAndre for some additional goodness...
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
June 23 2013 23:30 GMT
#53
On June 24 2013 06:30 Holcan wrote:
McDyess is one of my favourite players as well, although I never saw him pre injury, i really liked his game post injury.


Loved McDyess. Terribly underrated and one of my favorite shot blockers. His ability, and timing, to quickly explode to block shots (very little leg bend) was simply amazing.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 24 2013 00:17 GMT
#54
Might be just me but I think a first rounder would potentially have much more impact than a specific head coach (aside from a certain few, like Pop)
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
June 24 2013 01:11 GMT
#55
DO WE START SANDBAGING FOR 2014 NOW OR IN OCTOBER?

Sorry I had too
FADC
Sky0
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States214 Posts
June 24 2013 01:12 GMT
#56
On June 24 2013 09:17 DystopiaX wrote:
Might be just me but I think a first rounder would potentially have much more impact than a specific head coach (aside from a certain few, like Pop)

Im sure its more about the contract they would have to give to a first rounder compared to a head coach for a year. Salary cap is usually the biggest impact when it comes to decisions in the nba
"We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction"
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13293 Posts
June 24 2013 01:12 GMT
#57
On June 24 2013 03:47 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 03:29 Ace wrote:
If you're a Detroit Pistons fans dont read the special on the 2003 Draft sitting on ESPN. Save your tears.

Of course, I am laughing my ass off so hard right now.


They showed a clip on ESPN about that draft and a random Detroit fan was at the draft live yelling 'Milicic to Detroit, championship next season YAAAA!'

Then they showed Melo's face when Darko got picked ahead of him, lulz were had.


I can't believe the Grizz traded a first round pick (top 1 protected O_O) for 35 year old Otis Thorpe. That pick was cursed from the get-go. =D
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13293 Posts
June 24 2013 01:20 GMT
#58
Still can't believe the Pistons took Darko based off, seemingly, two workouts alone. Just an epic failure.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 01:47:52
June 24 2013 01:46 GMT
#59
Hey yo, Darko owned it on NBA 2K6 back then. My secret weapon off the bench when I used the pistons =)

edit: well, until he lost the element of surprise haha.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13293 Posts
June 24 2013 02:01 GMT
#60
It's just amazing how they pretty much admit they knew nothing about him but took him based off one impressive workout. That's borderline criminal when you had a lock of a player like Melo on the board. Wade led Marquette on an amazing run too that year (but was certainly an unknown quantity compared to Melo).

They talked themselves into the Pistons. Was Darko supposed to play PF? They already had Big Ben who was clearly their most effective player at the C.

In saying that, you kind of had to feel sorry for the Pistons. If they did take Melo at two we'd probably be laughing at the Nuggs for taking Darko at 3. It's incredible how badly the Raps managed Bosh as an asset in the long run also.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
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