2013 NBA Finals - Page 9

On June 07 2013 11:49 Holcan wrote:
Oh God, it only took 7 pages to dissolce into kobe goat talk, that has to be a law much like godwin.



Can we call it holcans law? Eventually all conversations on basketball will reach a point where people discuss kobes placement in the top 10 all time.

On June 07 2013 11:47 Jibba wrote:

I do think Kobe's seasons with the crappy Lakers is better than any of Duncan's, but I'd still take Duncan overall.

On June 07 2013 11:56 Zorkmid wrote:
Has Bosh really turned into a perimeter player?

He used to be like unstoppable facing up.

On June 07 2013 11:57 DystopiaX wrote:

Ankle injury probably stops part of that, the other thing is you don't want to turn Lebron into a spot up 3pt shooter.

On June 07 2013 11:36 DystopiaX wrote:

Kobe had magnitudes more help, was a poor man's Jordan without nearly the same homicidal competitiveness, was a huge prick as a teammate until halfway through his career(and still isn't the best today), and was never the leader of any of his championship teams until the last one.

Duncan won all of his championships as the best player and leader of the team, had MUCH MUCH less help (no way Parker/Ginobili stack up to Shaq) has better stats, is vastly better as a leader, is so much better defensively it's a travesty Kobe has more All-NBA defense awards than him, and is better at the intangibles- defensive anchor, passer, etc.

The thing that hurts Duncan most is that his game is "boring" - no huge dunks, no signature skyhook, just great fundamentals, as a person he's boring- he'll never have drama like Kobe/Jordan had, isn't interested in pimping shit so doesn't have sneakers or really any endorsements at all, etc., so Duncan is quietly brilliant whereas Jordan/Magic/Bird/Kobe are showy brilliant.

On June 07 2013 11:57 DystopiaX wrote:

Here's how I see it. Duncan managed to win the finals with a crappy team, all Kobe managed to do was bitch about it.

On June 07 2013 12:06 MassHysteria wrote:

The no-showy argument doesn't hold any weight here, I am not a casual fan. As for Kobe having magnitudes more help, that is simply not true. They have both played for the same franchise for about 17 years and have steady management, except Duncan has had the same coach during all that time (something that can't be overlooked). Duncan has had less years with bad teams than Kobe. In fact, Kobe spent his prime years with bad teams.

As of now, Kobe has 5 championships and has gone to more finals than Duncan. What is harder than winning one championship? Defending that championship the next year. The Spurs and Duncan have never done that. Duncan was never on a threepeat team and never won back-to-backs later in his career while going to 3 finals in a row.

People want to say Duncan is better right now just because the media has rode that story this finals. If Duncan wins this year, then he will have the same 5 rings as Kobe. The best argument for Duncan is to say how much of a team player, and a good guy, and etc. he is.

But even still, dont forget that there were many years where the real finals was the Western Conference finals between the Spurs and the Lakers. Whoever won that series, would win it. And as good as Shaq was, when the Lakers played the Spurs, it was Kobe who did the most damage in those days due to matchups.

On June 07 2013 12:11 DystopiaX wrote:

I'd argue Kobe had a little to do with coach changeover.

As for playing with shit teams in his prime, well who demanded Shaq to be traded? Him. That shit is on him. you can't argue that he wasted his prime on a shit team if that was his fault.