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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 07 2013 02:55 GMT
#161
Good quarter. No way Leonard keeps missing open 3s like that..
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 07 2013 02:56 GMT
#162
Has Bosh really turned into a perimeter player?

He used to be like unstoppable facing up.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 07 2013 02:56 GMT
#163
On June 07 2013 11:49 Holcan wrote:
Oh God, it only took 7 pages to dissolce into kobe goat talk, that has to be a law much like godwin.



Can we call it holcans law? Eventually all conversations on basketball will reach a point where people discuss kobes placement in the top 10 all time.

Kobe wouldn't crack the top 10 for me.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 07 2013 02:57 GMT
#164
How can you not love Lebron for this NBA 2k14 commercial?
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 07 2013 02:57 GMT
#165
On June 07 2013 11:47 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:39 Judicator wrote:
But but but, Duncan's never had to play with Smush Parker.

I do think Kobe's seasons with the crappy Lakers is better than any of Duncan's, but I'd still take Duncan overall.

Here's how I see it. Duncan managed to win the finals with a crappy team, all Kobe managed to do was bitch about it.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 07 2013 02:57 GMT
#166
On June 07 2013 11:56 Zorkmid wrote:
Has Bosh really turned into a perimeter player?

He used to be like unstoppable facing up.

Ankle injury probably stops part of that, the other thing is you don't want to turn Lebron into a spot up 3pt shooter.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
June 07 2013 02:59 GMT
#167
Oh new thread!

Whoa....soooo close ><
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
368 Posts
June 07 2013 03:01 GMT
#168
nice one neal
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 07 2013 03:02 GMT
#169
On June 07 2013 11:57 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:56 Zorkmid wrote:
Has Bosh really turned into a perimeter player?

He used to be like unstoppable facing up.

Ankle injury probably stops part of that, the other thing is you don't want to turn Lebron into a spot up 3pt shooter.


Bosh lost some weight it looks like. IMO its smart long-term because it saves your knees, but it does impede your ability to bang.
Freeeeeeedom
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 03:07:18
June 07 2013 03:06 GMT
#170
On June 07 2013 11:36 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:33 MassHysteria wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:19 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:16 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Lol it was Shaq with Kobe, not the other way around.

Not for the first couple.
And you can argue it from a public perception/team leadership point but from a basketball standpoint? Shaq no question.

? I'm arguing Kobe was the sidekick here.

Yeah I read your sentence wrong, just realized that.

My favorite NBA Finals/is forever commercial is the one with Dirk. Best music, hilarious watching everyone do the one leg fader.

and that's my point. People will argue that Kobe is better than Timmy, and that's fucking stupid.

How is that stupid?? =P (they are both great, but even if Duncan wins this year I'll still give the edge to Kobe as the greater player of his generation in an argument)

Kobe had magnitudes more help, was a poor man's Jordan without nearly the same homicidal competitiveness, was a huge prick as a teammate until halfway through his career(and still isn't the best today), and was never the leader of any of his championship teams until the last one.

Duncan won all of his championships as the best player and leader of the team, had MUCH MUCH less help (no way Parker/Ginobili stack up to Shaq) has better stats, is vastly better as a leader, is so much better defensively it's a travesty Kobe has more All-NBA defense awards than him, and is better at the intangibles- defensive anchor, passer, etc.

The thing that hurts Duncan most is that his game is "boring" - no huge dunks, no signature skyhook, just great fundamentals, as a person he's boring- he'll never have drama like Kobe/Jordan had, isn't interested in pimping shit so doesn't have sneakers or really any endorsements at all, etc., so Duncan is quietly brilliant whereas Jordan/Magic/Bird/Kobe are showy brilliant.

The no-showy argument doesn't hold any weight here, I am not a casual fan. As for Kobe having magnitudes more help, that is simply not true. They have both played for the same franchise for about 17 years and have steady management, except Duncan has had the same coach during all that time (something that can't be overlooked). Duncan has had less years with bad teams than Kobe. In fact, Kobe spent his prime years with bad teams.

As of now, Kobe has 5 championships and has gone to more finals than Duncan. What is harder than winning one championship? Defending that championship the next year. The Spurs and Duncan have never done that. Duncan was never on a threepeat team and never won back-to-backs later in his career while going to 3 finals in a row.

People want to say Duncan is better right now just because the media has rode that story this finals. If Duncan wins this year, then he will have the same 5 rings as Kobe. The best argument for Duncan is to say how much of a team player, and a good guy, and etc. he is.

But even still, dont forget that there were many years where the real finals was the Western Conference finals between the Spurs and the Lakers. Whoever won that series, would win it. And as good as Shaq was, when the Lakers played the Spurs, it was Kobe who did the most damage in those days due to matchups.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 03:13:43
June 07 2013 03:11 GMT
#171
On June 07 2013 11:57 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:47 Jibba wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:39 Judicator wrote:
But but but, Duncan's never had to play with Smush Parker.

I do think Kobe's seasons with the crappy Lakers is better than any of Duncan's, but I'd still take Duncan overall.

Here's how I see it. Duncan managed to win the finals with a crappy team, all Kobe managed to do was bitch about it.
The '99 Spurs team was old and kind of decrepit, but filled with smart veterans. And David Robinson wasn't that bad that season. He still would've been the best big man in the East for like 3 straight seasons in the 2000's. Didn't he also play through a broken finger or something that year? I mean, I hate the Lakers and I think that season was nuts.

Also, props to Cole for not just running back and fouling Parker, but for getting in front of him.

And no, MassHysteria, the best argument for Duncan is that he's been an anchor for their defense all these years. Even when Kobe was in his prime, Duncan had a bigger impact on defense because he's a big man. And now that Kobe's trailed off on that end, it's no question who's more important on defense.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 07 2013 03:11 GMT
#172
On June 07 2013 12:06 MassHysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:36 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:33 MassHysteria wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:19 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:16 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Lol it was Shaq with Kobe, not the other way around.

Not for the first couple.
And you can argue it from a public perception/team leadership point but from a basketball standpoint? Shaq no question.

? I'm arguing Kobe was the sidekick here.

Yeah I read your sentence wrong, just realized that.

My favorite NBA Finals/is forever commercial is the one with Dirk. Best music, hilarious watching everyone do the one leg fader.

and that's my point. People will argue that Kobe is better than Timmy, and that's fucking stupid.

How is that stupid?? =P (they are both great, but even if Duncan wins this year I'll still give the edge to Kobe as the greater player of his generation in an argument)

Kobe had magnitudes more help, was a poor man's Jordan without nearly the same homicidal competitiveness, was a huge prick as a teammate until halfway through his career(and still isn't the best today), and was never the leader of any of his championship teams until the last one.

Duncan won all of his championships as the best player and leader of the team, had MUCH MUCH less help (no way Parker/Ginobili stack up to Shaq) has better stats, is vastly better as a leader, is so much better defensively it's a travesty Kobe has more All-NBA defense awards than him, and is better at the intangibles- defensive anchor, passer, etc.

The thing that hurts Duncan most is that his game is "boring" - no huge dunks, no signature skyhook, just great fundamentals, as a person he's boring- he'll never have drama like Kobe/Jordan had, isn't interested in pimping shit so doesn't have sneakers or really any endorsements at all, etc., so Duncan is quietly brilliant whereas Jordan/Magic/Bird/Kobe are showy brilliant.

The no-showy argument doesn't hold any weight here, I am not a casual fan. As for Kobe having magnitudes more help, that is simply not true. They have both played for the same franchise for about 17 years and have steady management, except Duncan has had the same coach during all that time (something that can't be overlooked). Duncan has had less years with bad teams than Kobe. In fact, Kobe spent his prime years with bad teams.

As of now, Kobe has 5 championships and has gone to more finals than Duncan. What is harder than winning one championship? Defending that championship the next year. The Spurs and Duncan have never done that. Duncan was never on a threepeat team and never won back-to-backs later in his career while going to 3 finals in a row.

People want to say Duncan is better right now just because the media has rode that story this finals. If Duncan wins this year, then he will have the same 5 rings as Kobe. The best argument for Duncan is to say how much of a team player, and a good guy, and etc. he is.

But even still, dont forget that there were many years where the real finals was the Western Conference finals between the Spurs and the Lakers. Whoever won that series, would win it. And as good as Shaq was, when the Lakers played the Spurs, it was Kobe who did the most damage in those days due to matchups.

I'd argue Kobe had a little to do with coach changeover.

As for playing with shit teams in his prime, well who demanded Shaq to be traded? Him. That shit is on him. you can't argue that he wasted his prime on a shit team if that was his fault.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
June 07 2013 03:12 GMT
#173
Damn those Lebron TO's.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 07 2013 03:13 GMT
#174
I love the Spurs. But you got to just appreciate the Heat shotmaking. Sure they have some guys who only make 3s, but LBJ, Wade, and Bosh always settle for shitty shots...then make them.
Freeeeeeedom
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 03:28:44
June 07 2013 03:13 GMT
#175
On June 07 2013 12:11 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 12:06 MassHysteria wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:36 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:33 MassHysteria wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:19 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:16 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Lol it was Shaq with Kobe, not the other way around.

Not for the first couple.
And you can argue it from a public perception/team leadership point but from a basketball standpoint? Shaq no question.

? I'm arguing Kobe was the sidekick here.

Yeah I read your sentence wrong, just realized that.

My favorite NBA Finals/is forever commercial is the one with Dirk. Best music, hilarious watching everyone do the one leg fader.

and that's my point. People will argue that Kobe is better than Timmy, and that's fucking stupid.

How is that stupid?? =P (they are both great, but even if Duncan wins this year I'll still give the edge to Kobe as the greater player of his generation in an argument)

Kobe had magnitudes more help, was a poor man's Jordan without nearly the same homicidal competitiveness, was a huge prick as a teammate until halfway through his career(and still isn't the best today), and was never the leader of any of his championship teams until the last one.

Duncan won all of his championships as the best player and leader of the team, had MUCH MUCH less help (no way Parker/Ginobili stack up to Shaq) has better stats, is vastly better as a leader, is so much better defensively it's a travesty Kobe has more All-NBA defense awards than him, and is better at the intangibles- defensive anchor, passer, etc.

The thing that hurts Duncan most is that his game is "boring" - no huge dunks, no signature skyhook, just great fundamentals, as a person he's boring- he'll never have drama like Kobe/Jordan had, isn't interested in pimping shit so doesn't have sneakers or really any endorsements at all, etc., so Duncan is quietly brilliant whereas Jordan/Magic/Bird/Kobe are showy brilliant.

The no-showy argument doesn't hold any weight here, I am not a casual fan. As for Kobe having magnitudes more help, that is simply not true. They have both played for the same franchise for about 17 years and have steady management, except Duncan has had the same coach during all that time (something that can't be overlooked). Duncan has had less years with bad teams than Kobe. In fact, Kobe spent his prime years with bad teams.

As of now, Kobe has 5 championships and has gone to more finals than Duncan. What is harder than winning one championship? Defending that championship the next year. The Spurs and Duncan have never done that. Duncan was never on a threepeat team and never won back-to-backs later in his career while going to 3 finals in a row.

People want to say Duncan is better right now just because the media has rode that story this finals. If Duncan wins this year, then he will have the same 5 rings as Kobe. The best argument for Duncan is to say how much of a team player, and a good guy, and etc. he is.

But even still, dont forget that there were many years where the real finals was the Western Conference finals between the Spurs and the Lakers. Whoever won that series, would win it. And as good as Shaq was, when the Lakers played the Spurs, it was Kobe who did the most damage in those days due to matchups.

I'd argue Kobe had a little to do with coach changeover.

As for playing with shit teams in his prime, well who demanded Shaq to be traded? Him. That shit is on him. you can't argue that he wasted his prime on a shit team if that was his fault.

Yes, Kobe is a coach-killer and a bad teammate. Duncan is a role-model citizen. That is his best argument, I get it.

edit: Not arguing about anything other that you saying people saying Kobe is better is stupid, because it is not =P
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 07 2013 03:17 GMT
#176
Ray Ray 8-15 stat is the most mindblowing thing ever.

For the longest time the sure things in life were death, taxes, and Ray Ray always makes his free throws.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 07 2013 03:18 GMT
#177
haha everyone gettin pissed at Chalmers again
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
June 07 2013 03:19 GMT
#178
Heat went cold. Lebron turn overs and no urgency.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
June 07 2013 03:19 GMT
#179
Heat execution not doing so hot these past couple of minutes and Spurs hitting them shots.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 07 2013 03:19 GMT
#180
That's gotta be game. Heat can't get a decent shot attempt to save their life right now. Spurs defense have really turned it up.
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