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On June 25 2013 12:50 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Dale Tallon and Scottie Bowman are two of the best minds in the game. and it's a darn shame MLSE didn't want to give Bowman the golden key to fix our mess. I will never get over that.
if you have not already done so,
i recommend reading "The Game" by Ken Dryden.
you'll get a great insight into Bowman.
because he is an old man with no day-to-day responsibilities he is "Mr Nice Guy" at this point in his life
In his prime, He was a total dick faced asshole prick. both hated and feared by every player on the Canadiens.
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On June 25 2013 12:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Just because the Leafs defeated Ottawa does not mean every single Leaf outplayed every single Senator.
2004 Hossa > 2004 Tucker.
Just check the # of minutes Hossa played for the Senators when they went to the finals in 2003.
The coaches know he is a warrior.
Funny how often Hossa ends up in the Stanley Cup finals.. i guess he is just as "lucky" as Claude Lemieux.
also,
Belfour was fucking awesome in the 2004 playoffs against the Senators.
Now we're getting into the tangibles brother and like I said I talking about early on in his career lol. 2004... he was in the league for a good 7 years. Now back to Tucker and Corson being the pests they were. Like I said, yes we had an advantage in goaltending but the other thing we were quite good at come playoff time was the grit. I'd say in terms of skill, I'd give the edge to Ottawa more often than not. So we had two things going for us. Goaltending and grit and guys like Darcy and Corson were a huge part of that. Just because they didn't get on the scoresheet doesn't mean they weren't making life a living hell for guys like Yashin and Chara. Let me repeat this one more time (maybe the 6th time is the charm). I was knocking Hossa for his early struggles in the playoffs. Not when he was in his prime so I have no idea why we're continuing to argue this lol. Belfour was great, but that doesn't mean he was beyond his prime. Once again, that just shows you what an amazing goalie he was for all those years.
On June 25 2013 12:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:50 StarStruck wrote:On June 25 2013 12:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Dale Tallon and Scottie Bowman are two of the best minds in the game. and it's a darn shame MLSE didn't want to give Bowman the golden key to fix our mess. I will never get over that. if you have not already done so, i recommend reading "The Game" by Ken Dryden. you'll get a great insight into Bowman. because he is an old man with no day-to-day responsibilities he is "Mr Nice Guy" at this point in his life In his prime, He was a total dick faced asshole prick. both hated and feared by every player on the Canadiens.
Well aware, what kind of philosophy you think I follow when coaching? Most people would call me an asshole, but at least I produce results. =)
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nit picking over small details here... but here goes.
in his 1st year the Senators scored six goals the entire playoffs.
Hossa did his job as a rookie and small part of the team, the rest of the team did not. it is not Hossa's issue that no one in the league could score on Hasek at the pinnacle of his greatness.
in his 3rd year Ottawa scored 3 goals in THE ENTIRE 2000 PLAYOFFs.
This is Ottawa's issue as a team. Not his.
He was in on 2 out of the 3 goals.
His goal was fucking amazing.
Hossa did his job. The rest of the team was not very good.
in his 2nd year he played injured throughout a 6 game series with the Leafs.
Hossa out battled Corson and Tucker many times for the puck in playoffs and regular season games early in his career.
The video is still out there.
Why has Hossa played so many playoff games compared to Tucker?
Why does Hossa get courted by top notch teams and Tucker ends up on the Avalanche?
Because Hossa is and always was a far better hockey player than Tucker from the day he entered the league.
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On June 25 2013 12:49 Thallis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:35 Sub40APM wrote:On June 25 2013 12:33 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 12:30 Sub40APM wrote:
Chicago, the new dynasty team? They'll lose Bickel who is going to get a Ward-esque salary from some team that feels it needs grit -- if the Canucks had the cap space that is where I'd bet he'd go but now with Luongo stranded and the team still needing to re-sign a bunch of guys and being at the cap guess not -- and some other supporting staff but the core is there for the long haul. West is too good. They won't win the division next year and these talks will be put to rest again. they wont win the division next year? who is going to stop them? The Mild? The Blues? Those are the only other playoff teams there, everyone else is a rebuild or a disaster. The Blues will after the cup hangover hits them hard. This was a monumentally tough playoff for Chicago that went much deeper into the summer than it usually does.
The Blues couldnt get past the Kings. They'll be out in the first round again because their best scoring threat is Steen, their goalies are going to be questionable again once they ship out Halak and their dmen arent shapping up quickly enough. Blues are nothing more than a crappier version of the LA Kings, without the ability to spend up to the cap because of an internal cap. They look semi-legitimate in the regular season and fade again in the playoffs.
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So riot(s) in Chicago. What say you Canada?
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Why is Hossa's ability in question? He is one of the smartest players in the league, has generally been durable, has made it 5 SCF, and is one of the best two-way players in the league. And he has played top-line minutes for just about every club he's been on. While he might not be some classic sniper anymore, he has always been a hockey player in every sense of the word.
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Chicago is my favourite American City 
But, it does have a "chaotic feel". Most American cities do. Minneapolis does not.
Bergeron did not have a spleen injury.
The breathing problems were due to one broken rib and damaged rib cartilage. Whenever you have breathing problems you always get sent to the hospital.
They won't call Toews injury a concussion LOL
He "got his bell rung".
We'll never know the extent of Toews head injury in this series.
It usually takes about 5 days for the brain and surrounding structures to fully react to a head trauma.
This is why you'll see a player do ok a day or two after initial impact.
It'll be interesting to see the long term effects as his career continues.
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On June 25 2013 15:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So riot(s) in Chicago. What say you Canada?
Stops copies me.
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On June 25 2013 13:55 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 12:49 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 12:35 Sub40APM wrote:On June 25 2013 12:33 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 12:30 Sub40APM wrote:
Chicago, the new dynasty team? They'll lose Bickel who is going to get a Ward-esque salary from some team that feels it needs grit -- if the Canucks had the cap space that is where I'd bet he'd go but now with Luongo stranded and the team still needing to re-sign a bunch of guys and being at the cap guess not -- and some other supporting staff but the core is there for the long haul. West is too good. They won't win the division next year and these talks will be put to rest again. they wont win the division next year? who is going to stop them? The Mild? The Blues? Those are the only other playoff teams there, everyone else is a rebuild or a disaster. The Blues will after the cup hangover hits them hard. This was a monumentally tough playoff for Chicago that went much deeper into the summer than it usually does. The Blues couldnt get past the Kings. They'll be out in the first round again because their best scoring threat is Steen, their goalies are going to be questionable again once they ship out Halak and their dmen arent shapping up quickly enough. Blues are nothing more than a crappier version of the LA Kings, without the ability to spend up to the cap because of an internal cap. They look semi-legitimate in the regular season and fade again in the playoffs.
The Blues can't beat the Kings. They just don't match up well against them, just like the Sharks don't match up well against the Blues, or Vancouver against Chicago. This should be pretty common knowledge at this point. However, the Blues won't have to face them until the conference final next season, if that (Unless something drastic happens and the kings are somehow a wild card). The Blues also have the best blue line in the league, and their best players tend to do better as the season goes on. I wouldn't bet on another 6 goal season from Backes. The point is that dynasties don't happen in the cap era, especially in the Western Conference, where every night is a battle. The cup hangover is a very real thing and the extra 3 weeks of play combined with a grueling cup final for their stars is going to effect the Hawks next year. If the Wild make real improvements on their blueline and Granlund becomes a threat, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to seem them compete as well.
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No ownership deal for Glendale/Phoenix this week.
Mike Smith will be available on July 1.
Kipper made it official and stated he is retiring.
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Holmgren confirms Bryzgalov buyout.
Here's hoping Steve Mason can be at least average. If only Pronger hadn't had the concussions, man this would be a different team...
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Got to put those tears to good use.
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On June 25 2013 23:39 Thallis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 13:55 Sub40APM wrote:On June 25 2013 12:49 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 12:35 Sub40APM wrote:On June 25 2013 12:33 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 12:30 Sub40APM wrote:
Chicago, the new dynasty team? They'll lose Bickel who is going to get a Ward-esque salary from some team that feels it needs grit -- if the Canucks had the cap space that is where I'd bet he'd go but now with Luongo stranded and the team still needing to re-sign a bunch of guys and being at the cap guess not -- and some other supporting staff but the core is there for the long haul. West is too good. They won't win the division next year and these talks will be put to rest again. they wont win the division next year? who is going to stop them? The Mild? The Blues? Those are the only other playoff teams there, everyone else is a rebuild or a disaster. The Blues will after the cup hangover hits them hard. This was a monumentally tough playoff for Chicago that went much deeper into the summer than it usually does. The Blues couldnt get past the Kings. They'll be out in the first round again because their best scoring threat is Steen, their goalies are going to be questionable again once they ship out Halak and their dmen arent shapping up quickly enough. Blues are nothing more than a crappier version of the LA Kings, without the ability to spend up to the cap because of an internal cap. They look semi-legitimate in the regular season and fade again in the playoffs. . The Blues also have the best blue line in the league, ....you cant honestly believe that
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Streit isn't terrible quite yet, in fact he's carried many of his teammates the past few years. The length is foolish for sure, though. And that was the issue with Bryz. He is a decent goalie, but you can't live with that contract for another 7 years. If it was 3 more it might be okay. The buyout pretty much had to happen.
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streit offensively still has it. his play in his own end leaves some to be desired. a top 4 guy on philly most likely, and a pp specialist/sheltered mintues guy at worst, i think he is still useful. but given what the team needed and what he paid for streit, it is pretty awful
and yeah that buyout really did have to happeen for a number of reasons, but theyve really not addressed that horrible d at all, and now steve mason and leighton are your Flyers goalies!
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Streit is like a slightly younger Timmonen. Its not that he is bad, its just that he isnt what the team really needs. They need a shut down guy or three to relieve the pressure of their goalie. Anyone who thinks Mason is going to do better when he is exposed to a full season of scoring is out of his mind -- well, i guess if you think about it trading all the stuff they traded away to ultimately end up with Steve Mason and a bunch of lost money Holmgren obviously is out of his mind.
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Shouldn't have let go of Bobrovsky...
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On June 26 2013 23:38 GolemMadness wrote:
Shouldn't have let go of Bobrovsky...
The trade made a lot of sense at the time. In a fairly extended look, Bobrovsky looked okay but not spectacular. We had Bryzgalov locked up for the long term, and Bob was never going to get starter's minutes. I think everyone in Philly wanted Bob, but were unsure of how he'd turn out. The return they got was problem the most they ever would have gotten.
On June 26 2013 11:48 Sub40APM wrote:
Streit is like a slightly younger Timmonen. Its not that he is bad, its just that he isnt what the team really needs. They need a shut down guy or three to relieve the pressure of their goalie. Anyone who thinks Mason is going to do better when he is exposed to a full season of scoring is out of his mind -- well, i guess if you think about it trading all the stuff they traded away to ultimately end up with Steve Mason and a bunch of lost money Holmgren obviously is out of his mind.
A puck-mover is actually just what the team needs. Schenn, Coburn, Grossmann, and Lauridsen all have very limited abilities on the outlet and in the offensive zone. The evidence shows with those guys that they do much better with a puck-moving partner. Again, the contract isn't great with Streit, but one can hope the cap goes up. Also, Timonen is likely to retire at season's end. If I could summarize the Flyers' defensive woes, it'd mostly come down to an aggressive forecheck that doesn't produce enough goals or pressure. They give up a lot of odd-man breaks, and also take a fair share of penalties.
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On June 26 2013 09:17 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 23:39 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 13:55 Sub40APM wrote:On June 25 2013 12:49 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 12:35 Sub40APM wrote:On June 25 2013 12:33 Thallis wrote:On June 25 2013 12:30 Sub40APM wrote:
Chicago, the new dynasty team? They'll lose Bickel who is going to get a Ward-esque salary from some team that feels it needs grit -- if the Canucks had the cap space that is where I'd bet he'd go but now with Luongo stranded and the team still needing to re-sign a bunch of guys and being at the cap guess not -- and some other supporting staff but the core is there for the long haul. West is too good. They won't win the division next year and these talks will be put to rest again. they wont win the division next year? who is going to stop them? The Mild? The Blues? Those are the only other playoff teams there, everyone else is a rebuild or a disaster. The Blues will after the cup hangover hits them hard. This was a monumentally tough playoff for Chicago that went much deeper into the summer than it usually does. The Blues couldnt get past the Kings. They'll be out in the first round again because their best scoring threat is Steen, their goalies are going to be questionable again once they ship out Halak and their dmen arent shapping up quickly enough. Blues are nothing more than a crappier version of the LA Kings, without the ability to spend up to the cap because of an internal cap. They look semi-legitimate in the regular season and fade again in the playoffs. . The Blues also have the best blue line in the league, ....you cant honestly believe that
That's not a crazy statement in the slightest. Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo is very likely the best pairing in the league, with Kieth-Seabrook coming close. Behind them there's Shattenkirk, who could very well be a top pairing guy if it weren't for being behind a Norris caliber RHD, as well as Jackman and Polak, who would be second pairing guys on most teams in the league. I'd like to remind you that this defense set records a year ago and then got a huge upgrade in Bouwmeester. Actually, I'd like to see you contest that statement without a snarky drive-by comment like you made. The Blues defense make Brian Elliott look good. That's the sign of a pretty elite group.
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