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kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
June 23 2013 16:41 GMT
#9821
Why do they sign such long shirt deals? Won't this allow other teams to get an advantage in a few years when sponsors pay even more?
"NO" -Has
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6257 Posts
June 23 2013 17:05 GMT
#9822
Because a sponsorship of a few years also carries the risk that the next deal will be lower. It's simply a way to gain a stable stream of income.

On the other hand we also have the sponsor on the negotiating table and I am sure they want to bind their brand to a team for a bit longer to increase the connection the team and the sponsor have. They want to create this thing that when you think of Chelsea you automatically think of Adidas too for example.

That's my guess anyway.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 23 2013 17:08 GMT
#9823
Well, senol Gunes is wanted by besiktas and a Qatari club, but he's still waiting for Korea to call him. Meanwhile, seems like hong myung Bo is seemingly continuously rejecting the manager position, after Korea proposed to him a 5 year, 2 World Cup deal.

Lol wouldn't be surprised if hong kept rejecting us while Gunes for to besiktas, bielsa goes to his hometown club, and Korea ends up with another anonymous kleague manager.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 17:11:28
June 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#9824
On June 24 2013 02:05 RvB wrote:
Because a sponsorship of a few years also carries the risk that the next deal will be lower. It's simply a way to gain a stable stream of income.

On the other hand we also have the sponsor on the negotiating table and I am sure they want to bind their brand to a team for a bit longer to increase the connection the team and the sponsor have. They want to create this thing that when you think of Chelsea you automatically think of Adidas too for example.

That's my guess anyway.


Plus the team have to do certain things to show off the Addidas image (using Chelsea as example). You wan't your team you sponsor in the Champions League so the European press take pictures and the Addidas symbol is in the papers. They want your team winning trophies so the Addidas symbol is beamed world wide. So the deal is 30million a year but it is also providing the fact Chelsea need to be in Europe and need to win Trophies xD

On June 24 2013 02:08 Tazza wrote:
Well, senol Gunes is wanted by besiktas and a Qatari club, but he's still waiting for Korea to call him. Meanwhile, seems like hong myung Bo is seemingly continuously rejecting the manager position, after Korea proposed to him a 5 year, 2 World Cup deal.

Lol wouldn't be surprised if hong kept rejecting us while Gunes for to besiktas, bielsa goes to his hometown club, and Korea ends up with another anonymous kleague manager.


I saw some K League results this morning...5-3 and 6-0 .... Seems a strange league? xd
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Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 17:20:07
June 23 2013 17:19 GMT
#9825
On June 24 2013 02:10 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 02:05 RvB wrote:
Because a sponsorship of a few years also carries the risk that the next deal will be lower. It's simply a way to gain a stable stream of income.

On the other hand we also have the sponsor on the negotiating table and I am sure they want to bind their brand to a team for a bit longer to increase the connection the team and the sponsor have. They want to create this thing that when you think of Chelsea you automatically think of Adidas too for example.

That's my guess anyway.


Plus the team have to do certain things to show off the Addidas image (using Chelsea as example). You wan't your team you sponsor in the Champions League so the European press take pictures and the Addidas symbol is in the papers. They want your team winning trophies so the Addidas symbol is beamed world wide. So the deal is 30million a year but it is also providing the fact Chelsea need to be in Europe and need to win Trophies xD

Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 02:08 Tazza wrote:
Well, senol Gunes is wanted by besiktas and a Qatari club, but he's still waiting for Korea to call him. Meanwhile, seems like hong myung Bo is seemingly continuously rejecting the manager position, after Korea proposed to him a 5 year, 2 World Cup deal.

Lol wouldn't be surprised if hong kept rejecting us while Gunes for to besiktas, bielsa goes to his hometown club, and Korea ends up with another anonymous kleague manager.


I saw some K League results this morning...5-3 and 6-0 .... Seems a strange league? xd

The league itself isn't that bad, but the track record of kleague managers going on to the national team is almost always bad. Our last two managers dominated kleague and the Asian champions league, but failed big time on a bigger stage.

Maybe not completely dominate like a Barcelona did, but u get my point
PixelNite
Profile Joined August 2011
France1008 Posts
June 23 2013 17:20 GMT
#9826
Do players in Korean clubs really left for Sangju, the military club, before the play offs finals ? I hate it when it happens on FM12, and I lose 2 of my starting players for the most important match of the season
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 17:30:42
June 23 2013 17:24 GMT
#9827
On June 24 2013 02:20 PixelNite wrote:
Do players in Korean clubs really left for Sangju, the military club, before the play offs finals ? I hate it when it happens on FM12, and I lose 2 of my starting players for the most important match of the season

Unless u get military exemption, before u are 28 or 30? U must serve 2 years of military service, which for soccer players is playing for the sangju team, a division 2 club that can't be promoted. Pretty much, a career killer

And dude u must be a really dedicated fm player. I never play kleague. I've tried championship teams and etc, but never kleague lol
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6257 Posts
June 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#9828
So why don't they allow promotion wouldn't be such a career killer then.
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
June 23 2013 17:32 GMT
#9829
On June 24 2013 02:05 RvB wrote:
Because a sponsorship of a few years also carries the risk that the next deal will be lower. It's simply a way to gain a stable stream of income.

On the other hand we also have the sponsor on the negotiating table and I am sure they want to bind their brand to a team for a bit longer to increase the connection the team and the sponsor have. They want to create this thing that when you think of Chelsea you automatically think of Adidas too for example.

That's my guess anyway.

I think you probably nailed it, but I still can't stop feeling that the insanely long deals can hurt clubs alot. The best example on the list posted on the previous page is Manchester United: Obviously a far bigger brand and club than Chelsea, yet they wont be able to renegotiate what now looks like a pretty bad deal for them, and Chelsea will have a huge advantage for several years when it comes to shirt sponsorship.

"NO" -Has
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#9830
On June 24 2013 02:29 RvB wrote:
So why don't they allow promotion wouldn't be such a career killer then.

Well military service is a really sensitive issue in Korea and the citizens don't want soccer players to have so much leeway just because they're athletes. They must suffer with us haha.

And it's really hard to get exemption. Only winning select competitions will get u exemption. Even an Asian cup victory doesn't get u it
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 23 2013 17:39 GMT
#9831
There was a Korean article with the headline " you think Chelsea changes managers too much? Look at Korea." Ten managers in the past ten years...
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6257 Posts
June 23 2013 18:08 GMT
#9832
On June 24 2013 02:32 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 02:05 RvB wrote:
Because a sponsorship of a few years also carries the risk that the next deal will be lower. It's simply a way to gain a stable stream of income.

On the other hand we also have the sponsor on the negotiating table and I am sure they want to bind their brand to a team for a bit longer to increase the connection the team and the sponsor have. They want to create this thing that when you think of Chelsea you automatically think of Adidas too for example.

That's my guess anyway.

I think you probably nailed it, but I still can't stop feeling that the insanely long deals can hurt clubs alot. The best example on the list posted on the previous page is Manchester United: Obviously a far bigger brand and club than Chelsea, yet they wont be able to renegotiate what now looks like a pretty bad deal for them, and Chelsea will have a huge advantage for several years when it comes to shirt sponsorship.


Well sure but when the contract expires in a few years they can renegotiate and Chelsea will be stuck with the problem. Looks like United made a bad deal though when you see all the other clubs.

Well military service is a really sensitive issue in Korea and the citizens don't want soccer players to have so much leeway just because they're athletes. They must suffer with us haha.

And it's really hard to get exemption. Only winning select competitions will get u exemption. Even an Asian cup victory doesn't get u it

I see that makes some sense pretty fucked up for the players though but I guess everyone in Korea has that problem.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#9833
can't you pay 1 million dollars to not do military service? Would work if you could get a legit football career on the go
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
June 23 2013 22:55 GMT
#9834
On June 24 2013 02:24 Tazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 02:20 PixelNite wrote:
Do players in Korean clubs really left for Sangju, the military club, before the play offs finals ? I hate it when it happens on FM12, and I lose 2 of my starting players for the most important match of the season

Unless u get military exemption, before u are 28 or 30? U must serve 2 years of military service, which for soccer players is playing for the sangju team, a division 2 club that can't be promoted. Pretty much, a career killer

And dude u must be a really dedicated fm player. I never play kleague. I've tried championship teams and etc, but never kleague lol


I've actually played a couple seasons with K-league as well. I find it very interesting due to restrictions and how different it is to European leagues.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 23 2013 22:56 GMT
#9835
On June 24 2013 07:10 sc4k wrote:
can't you pay 1 million dollars to not do military service? Would work if you could get a legit football career on the go

If u even tried to do something like this, you'd probably be deported from Korea because of all the public outrage it would cause. I'm not joking about this
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 23 2013 22:57 GMT
#9836
On June 24 2013 07:56 Tazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:10 sc4k wrote:
can't you pay 1 million dollars to not do military service? Would work if you could get a legit football career on the go

If u even tried to do something like this, you'd probably be deported from Korea because of all the public outrage it would cause. I'm not joking about this


Ah I was told this by a 17 year old Finnish boy so I wasn't completely sure if srs.

That really sucks that people who clearly have more going for them than the average person have to join the military and disrupt their careers.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 23 2013 23:02 GMT
#9837
On June 24 2013 07:57 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:56 Tazza wrote:
On June 24 2013 07:10 sc4k wrote:
can't you pay 1 million dollars to not do military service? Would work if you could get a legit football career on the go

If u even tried to do something like this, you'd probably be deported from Korea because of all the public outrage it would cause. I'm not joking about this


Ah I was told this by a 17 year old Finnish boy so I wasn't completely sure if srs.

That really sucks that people who clearly have more going for them than the average person have to join the military and disrupt their careers.

Yeah, I think it'd be much better for football players to represent the nation by playing in Europe rather than going to the military, but it is what it is
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 24 2013 03:48 GMT
#9838
so park chu yong has to go?
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
June 24 2013 04:39 GMT
#9839
I might be completely wrong on this, but didn't the bronze medal at the last Olympics make sure that Park Cho Young and the other lads won't have to face military service?

Yep, looks like it:
Wikipedia said:
The bronze medal winning team of 2012 Summer Olympics were granted exemptions from mandatory military service.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 05:51:01
June 24 2013 05:30 GMT
#9840
A medal at the Olympics, win in Asian games(not cup) or a semifinal appearance at World Cup gets u exemption.

Park chu young wouldn't have had to go until he was like 35 because he played in Monaco and the prince there or something have him permanent residence. But even this cause outrage from the Korean public and he wasn't called up to the national team for quite some time.

Then hong myung Bo called him up to the olympics and boldly said he'd go to the military for park if he had to. And told the public not to worry in a press conference. Such a boss this hong myung Bo is.

Oh, an hong myung Bo has now officially officially been named manager. Feel so bad for senol gunes

And son Heung min still doesn't have exemption since he wasn't on that Olympic team, but he will have his chances
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