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On March 27 2013 07:38 PixelNite wrote:
I'm sorry but I really can't like Spanish football team... everything about them is disgusting, I can't even like Iniesta's beautiful football when he is surrounded by this many whiners, divers and stuff. Busquets and Ramos are two examples of amazingly good players - perhaps best in the world in their roles - but absolutely disgusting ones too..
Anyway, good to see France managing to do something against Spain, the loss of Pogba when Spain were supposed to slow their rythm was painful.
Also, we need a striker and two better backs, can't wait to see how players like Digne, Umtiti or Corchia can do at a very high level
France did something against Spain??? They played well the first 10mn, because the Spain train was cold and the machine always needs some time to get real. After that, just defending, very low low low... I'm not praising Spain, I just think France didnt even try that hard. They waited to concede a goal to play. Well this is against a team that won all of their World Cup game 1-0, that must mean something about their control on a game...
In this game except for the penalty time, I don't see where Spain dived and whined so much. Typical sore loser.
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On March 27 2013 07:26 Denzil wrote:
every manager of englands life is
crush the first 4 games or so against shit opposition
"england have developed a new play style under this guy surely things have changed"
beat a big team
"i think the problems of england disappointing are gone"
then we start crashing and burning and in a couple years time hodgson is gone and a new english guy is in to fix the problem.
personally i think he's fielding a pretty poor outfield that and the FA is pissing off too many people into retirement / not wanting to play.
I hear Rafa Benitez might be a free agent soon.
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On March 27 2013 07:57 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:38 PixelNite wrote:
I'm sorry but I really can't like Spanish football team... everything about them is disgusting, I can't even like Iniesta's beautiful football when he is surrounded by this many whiners, divers and stuff. Busquets and Ramos are two examples of amazingly good players - perhaps best in the world in their roles - but absolutely disgusting ones too..
Anyway, good to see France managing to do something against Spain, the loss of Pogba when Spain were supposed to slow their rythm was painful.
Also, we need a striker and two better backs, can't wait to see how players like Digne, Umtiti or Corchia can do at a very high level France did something against Spain??? They played well the first 10mn, because the Spain train was cold and the machine always needs some time to get real. After that, just defending, very low low low... I'm not praising Spain, I just think France didnt even try that hard. They waited to concede a goal to play. Well this is against a team that won all of their World Cup game 1-0, that must mean something about their control on a game... In this game except for the penalty time, I don't see where Spain dived and whined so much. Typical sore loser.
Maybe I am but playing against Spain, you can't possess the ball or even try it, you will get immediately punished. I think midfielders did a good job at stopping Xavi, Xabi and Iniesta during most of the game and France still got a few occasions. Jallet and Evra really can't match spanish wingers so players like Valbuena and Ribéry had to do 10x more defensive work than they are supposed, and France counter attacks weren't top probably because of that. Overall, I found this match really promising.
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I don't know, maybe I'm too hard on this team, I cannot feel sympathy for my own country team... I still don't understand why we don't clean it once and for all from the WC residues and the guys that arent even happy to play in the national 11 (Benzema mainly, that cannot even play good vs Georgia...).
Concerning the game I feel that France started with a lot of ambition, which surprised me in a good way, but I guess when they conceded that attempt from Xavi after 10 short passes they started feeling uncomfortable playing so risky when a draw would be enough to keep the 1st spot in the group. But the plan to turtle often fails, and when it does you can just leave the Tv with regrets of what could have been the game if they tried something else.
We lost 1-0 but this game could have been worse if they scored early with their 2-3 chances + the penalty not signaled; and it could have been a lot better if we scored on the 2-3 chances we've had in the whole game, but that would have been a miracle draw/win, not so much the fruit of the teamwork...
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Hopefully the US can get a point! Mexico are gonna be especially tough to beat because they still haven't won a game yet.
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Beasley makes a great challenge to stop a scoring chance, then makes a stupid foul to give a free kick just outside the box and gets a yellow card a minute later : |
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I'm just praying for at least the draw at Mexico. Would be great.
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The US needs a goal badly because we're gonna concede at this rate : |
We need a left back because Beasley is not doing great this game.
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On March 27 2013 12:01 Ferrose wrote:
The US needs a goal badly because we're gonna concede at this rate : |
We need a left back because Beasley is not doing great this game.
I think there's an OK chance they don't score actually. Mexico's attack feels like it's missing something, it's hard to identify though. Might be that Chicharito is too much opportunist and doesn't actually command an attack that smoothly, but then again he can score out of anything at any time so I guess you have to be constantly wary.
Or Dos Santos is pushing to the front line and there's really no one really playing the #10 for them, which it seems like would be useful.
Edit: OK we were really lucky to get that draw and not concede, hehe.
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that point was such bullshit but I'll take it :D So lucky on the penalty no call
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Well that was a pretty scumbag interlull for the US. First the snow game then Mexico got denied two penalties. Mexico will be rightfully complaining the FIFA about the officiating.
The US back four looked great in the second half though. That Honduras result is completely out of my mind at this point.
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usa wins 0-0!
nice game from the back 4 but watching this team try to move the ball forward is painful.
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It's always interesting to me that the United States are so bad at football. It shows you how much culture influences sports, and that includes esports. The perfect example is a country like the Netherlands, who are fantastic at football so consistently despite being a small country (and thus having less potential to draw from). On top of that, the US obviously has enough wealth and resources to draw upon to create a quality football team but people are simply not interested.
I think the three important factors in success in a sport are :
Wealth - Obviously it helps to have proper training facilities around the country with coaches and the like to nurture young talent.
Population - Looking at football specifically (because its the most popular sport globally) countries with larger population tend to field stronger teams. This makes perfect sense because they have more potential players to draw from.
Culture - The most enigmatic factor in what makes a quality competitive team. The Netherlands is incredibly invested in football. Everyone has an opinion. Its often said Holland has 16 million coaches, because everyone follows the sport and has an opinion on how things ought to be. South Korea clearly has a dedicated esports culture which has fostered the best training environments and encourages young people to succeed in this industry. Similarly, America has the best basketball teams and the best basketball education. I find this an interesting topic to look into.
More specifically to the game between Mexico and USA, I thought it was a largely impotent game with nearly all real chances coming from Mexico. Despite that, I never felt like they would score. I wouldn't call the back four for the US stable but they did just enough to keep it at 0-0. It's also clear that the US simply played for the draw against a middling Mexican side and that does not bode well for the WC proper if they indeed manage to make it there.
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On March 27 2013 14:14 Pantagruel wrote:
It's always interesting to me that the United States are so bad at football. It shows you how much culture influences sports, and that includes esports. The perfect example is a country like the Netherlands, who are fantastic at football so consistently despite being a small country (and thus having less potential to draw from). On top of that, the US obviously has enough wealth and resources to draw upon to create a quality football team but people are simply not interested.
I think the three important factors in success in a sport are :
Wealth - Obviously it helps to have proper training facilities around the country with coaches and the like to nurture young talent.
Population - Looking at football specifically (because its the most popular sport globally) countries with larger population tend to field stronger teams. This makes perfect sense because they have more potential players to draw from.
Culture - The most enigmatic factor in what makes a quality competitive team. The Netherlands is incredibly invested in football. Everyone has an opinion. Its often said Holland has 16 million coaches, because everyone follows the sport and has an opinion on how things ought to be. South Korea clearly has a dedicated esports culture which has fostered the best training environments and encourages young people to succeed in this industry. Similarly, America has the best basketball teams and the best basketball education. I find this an interesting topic to look into.
More specifically to the game between Mexico and USA, I thought it was a largely impotent game with nearly all real chances coming from Mexico. Despite that, I never felt like they would score. I wouldn't call the back four for the US stable but they did just enough to keep it at 0-0. It's also clear that the US simply played for the draw against a middling Mexican side and that does not bode well for the WC proper if they indeed manage to make it there.
I think the reason that soccer isn't popular here is due to cultural arrogance (to put it bluntly). If you look at all of the popular sports here in the States, 3 out of the 4 were invented in the U.S. and the 4th was invented in Canada. By contrast, soccer is an English sport that spread throughout the world via colonization. The American public is usually egocentric enough to prefer their (fill in the blank here) as opposed to another country's (fill in the blank here).
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wow, Monreal. What a great match he played, I didnt miss Jordi Alba. Arsenal got a great player from Malaga.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2013 14:14 Pantagruel wrote:
It's always interesting to me that the United States are so bad at football. It shows you how much culture influences sports, and that includes esports. The perfect example is a country like the Netherlands, who are fantastic at football so consistently despite being a small country (and thus having less potential to draw from). On top of that, the US obviously has enough wealth and resources to draw upon to create a quality football team but people are simply not interested.
I think the three important factors in success in a sport are :
Wealth - Obviously it helps to have proper training facilities around the country with coaches and the like to nurture young talent.
Population - Looking at football specifically (because its the most popular sport globally) countries with larger population tend to field stronger teams. This makes perfect sense because they have more potential players to draw from.
Culture - The most enigmatic factor in what makes a quality competitive team. The Netherlands is incredibly invested in football. Everyone has an opinion. Its often said Holland has 16 million coaches, because everyone follows the sport and has an opinion on how things ought to be. South Korea clearly has a dedicated esports culture which has fostered the best training environments and encourages young people to succeed in this industry. Similarly, America has the best basketball teams and the best basketball education. I find this an interesting topic to look into.
More specifically to the game between Mexico and USA, I thought it was a largely impotent game with nearly all real chances coming from Mexico. Despite that, I never felt like they would score. I wouldn't call the back four for the US stable but they did just enough to keep it at 0-0. It's also clear that the US simply played for the draw against a middling Mexican side and that does not bode well for the WC proper if they indeed manage to make it there.
You have to take into account there really isn't a youth infrastructure here. At 18 they graduate highschool and get calls from colleges to play there. In college they have a chance to shine. Unfortunately by the time they start to show potential, they're already into their 20s with comparable skills to much younger foreign players who learn the game in youth squads. The reason this doesn't really effect American football or basketball is the amount of national exposure those college sports gain. If you have a superstar you'll know about it immediately as he bursts on the scene.. not so with soccer. I think it's getting better and I imagine it's also very regional.. but I think in general, players in the US learn the game in a much shorter time period, much later, and lose out because of this.
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On March 27 2013 12:33 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:01 Ferrose wrote:
The US needs a goal badly because we're gonna concede at this rate : |
We need a left back because Beasley is not doing great this game. I think there's an OK chance they don't score actually. Mexico's attack feels like it's missing something, it's hard to identify though. Might be that Chicharito is too much opportunist and doesn't actually command an attack that smoothly, but then again he can score out of anything at any time so I guess you have to be constantly wary. Or Dos Santos is pushing to the front line and there's really no one really playing the #10 for them, which it seems like would be useful. Edit: OK we were really lucky to get that draw and not concede, hehe.
Look at Chicharito, then look at the opposing penalty box, now look at Chicharito, then look back at the opposing team penalty box.
/endfailjoke
In all seriousness though, Mexico has had this issue for AGES. They simply dont know how to work in the penalty box. Just because you have 1 striker or 2 strikers, it doesn't mean they should be the only ones inside the penalty box. You can give Mexico the best crossers of all time and it won't matter much if it's 1 striker (unless you're crouch or koller  ) vs 4 defenders. Chicharito can't do much if both centre backs are only marking him in such a confined area with no other threats/potential threats ready to run in.
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