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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 18:17:12
December 06 2012 18:16 GMT
#3561
On December 07 2012 03:00 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 01:38 Twisted wrote:
No idea why that comment gets so much attention. It's obvious trolling.


how is it trolling?
I just used his stupid logic on himself.

I cant believe how no one of you realised I didnt mean any of what I said.


The stupid logic and the analogy used to turn it around relied on the premise that Fabregas is not an a-teamer. As far as I am aware Poldi and Per are not regular starters for Germany.

Fabregas could be good or bad, but he is very much an a teamer which is what most people jumped on . Trolling or not it was a terrible analogy.

You couldve used someone like maybe Kaka :p.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 19:04:50
December 06 2012 19:00 GMT
#3562
messi gave an interview today saying hes fine, he might not be back this weekened but he most likely miss only 1 game
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
December 06 2012 19:03 GMT
#3563
omg omg omg two days until dortmund
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
December 06 2012 19:35 GMT
#3564
On December 06 2012 21:10 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 21:03 Twisted wrote:
On December 06 2012 18:29 Pandemona wrote:
He needed to sign Metersacker and Poldolski like 2 season's ago, then Arsenal would of been really good. With Cesc and RVP still there as well.

The problem they are having is they produce good quality youngsters who will eventually be good, but in the time they produce say a cesc fabregas, they have lost a world class striker or defender, so it becomes a big long circle of, 2 good amazing players, then lose 2 good amazing players etcetc.


This is basically the problem with any team that doesn't rely on having huge debt. Arsenal are actually the ones doing it right and I applaud them for it. In Germany (and also in Holland) teams aren't allowed, or it's not their policy, to have huge debt. Football would take a huge step forward if every club doesn't just buy all their players but actually uses their youth academy.

It sickens me when 16-18 year old players get lured in by clubs like Manchester City/Chelsea with a big contract with of course the aid of their agents who also get a pretty penny. What happens is that they don't play for 3 years or whatever which considerably halts their progression. They should just stay with their club to make sure they get playing time. Thankfully clubs like mine (Ajax) can keep their most promising talents most of the time for a couple years. Sad thing is they still get bought away when they are 21/22.

Christian Eriksen for example is 20 right now and he will probably get bought by some club at the end of the season. They've been gunning for him since 2 years ago and now that he finally becomes somewhat consistent, he feels he is ready 'for the next step'. If only players like that stay on for about 4 years more, then a club like Ajax could actually be a contender in the CL. Same thing with Arsenal.



Because Chelsea have a huge debt.......

Arsenal could do what i stated and still not have a debt, they make a decent profit every year. They didn't have to sell RVP, and they only got 20million for him anyway. What happens is players "want" to leave because they get offered a chance to win trophies now not in 2-3 seasons time. Like im pretty confident RVP will win a peice of silverware this season with Man Utd (most likely the premiership title) and Fabregas won the Champions League in his first season at Barca right? If they could of signed Podolski and Metersacker in the summer they were "about" to lose Fabregas (and still had RVP who was about to score 30goals in 30games) they probably would of won the league or won something pretty easily that season (or maybe the next) and right now they would still have good players and a very good squad.


This is the last article I could find on the Chelsea debt so maybe it's outdated but if it isn't the debt issue is still there.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/19/roman-abramovich-chelsea-loan-debt

And really having a sugar daddy like Abramovich funding everyone doesn't make Twisted's argument any less valid.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 06 2012 19:39 GMT
#3565
Did you not see our financial records for June 2012, the Chelsea brand (as a company) made a profit of £1.5million. After everything. (debt/wages/transfers/stadium/staff/training camps etcetcetc)

We are no longer a club in debt.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 19:46:01
December 06 2012 19:43 GMT
#3566
On December 07 2012 04:39 Pandemona wrote:
Did you not see our financial records for June 2012, the Chelsea brand (as a company) made a profit of £1.5million. After everything. (debt/wages/transfers/stadium/staff/training camps etcetcetc)

We are no longer a club in debt.


NO your still in debt, fiscal year ending nets are not your final overall position. It just means the debt is not increasing, which is actually quite fine. If you can manage your assets well enough to make the debt count for you I see no problem with it. And for the most part Chelsea is actually doing fine even on and off paper.

Unless ofcourse somethings being hidden but thats exceptionally hard (but not impossible) these days. The amount of grey money Roman has is probably unimaginable so he could probably throw as much many at them and write it off as he wants for a little longer.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 06 2012 20:20 GMT
#3567
Arsenal aren't debt free by the way.

http://swissramble.blogspot.nl/search/label/Arsenal

sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18774 Posts
December 06 2012 20:24 GMT
#3568
On December 07 2012 05:20 Ysellian wrote:
Arsenal aren't debt free by the way.

http://swissramble.blogspot.nl/search/label/Arsenal



Bayern is the only top debt-free club which comes to my mind.
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
December 06 2012 22:21 GMT
#3569
7/7 German teams advance in Champions League and Euro League, fuck yeah (dunno if somebody said it already, but I am a little bit drunk! :D )
But does it djent?
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
December 06 2012 23:54 GMT
#3570
On December 07 2012 05:20 Ysellian wrote:
Arsenal aren't debt free by the way.

http://swissramble.blogspot.nl/search/label/Arsenal



This makes alot of sense, I knew atleast for a fact that Arsenals wage model is garbage and their merchandising and ticketing (while still doing well) is going to go of its rocker soon.

Very interesting.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
December 07 2012 02:35 GMT
#3571
On December 07 2012 03:00 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 01:38 Twisted wrote:
No idea why that comment gets so much attention. It's obvious trolling.


how is it trolling?
I just used his stupid logic on himself.

I cant believe how no one of you realised I didnt mean any of what I said.

Because his logic, as bad as it was, at least contained some truth (Lukas and Per aren't regulars in the German side). Your mocking imitation failed utterly because you chose a player who is absolutely an a-teamer for his national side.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 03:50:18
December 07 2012 03:48 GMT
#3572
Looks like Euro 2020 across Europe is a go.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organisation/executivecommittee/news/newsid=1904009.html#a euro europe
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organisation/executivecommittee/news/newsid=1904146.html
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
December 07 2012 10:25 GMT
#3573
On December 07 2012 12:48 GTR wrote:
Looks like Euro 2020 across Europe is a go.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organisation/executivecommittee/news/newsid=1904009.html#a euro europe
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organisation/executivecommittee/news/newsid=1904146.html

I don't like the idea.

Well, I hate pretty much everything Platini supports, like the extension to 24 teams and the refusal of any technology helping referees.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
December 07 2012 11:14 GMT
#3574
I don't like it. It'll be hard on both the fans and the players to travel around like that - never mind all the complications that come with it such as visas, travel expenses, and accommodation.

If this does happen though, I hope they use venues that normally have difficulty hosting occasions like this. If it just goes to the big and popular ones like Wembley, Camp Nou and etc, what's the point?
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 11:22:19
December 07 2012 11:18 GMT
#3575
Well that is basically what is going to happen.

1 stadium per european country would be what it looks like;

England - Spain - France - Portugal - Italy

Will most likely host a few games, but like you say what is the point. Be like having Group A spread over England/France/Holland?/Belgium?
Group B - Spain/Portugal/Italy?
Group C - Russia/Ukraine/Lithuania/Belarus/Latvia/Romania (one of those countries)
Group D - Germany/Poland/Austria/Switzerland

Then maybe the finals, in central Europe? I don't know seems alot of effort for something with so few teams in it and so little time. (5days per group game and knock out game)
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 11:47:46
December 07 2012 11:46 GMT
#3576
edit: hold on
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18774 Posts
December 07 2012 12:08 GMT
#3577
I wasnt around during the USA World cups but I'd assume the games were all over the country as well, no?
So how would this be different to a whole Europe tournament?
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
December 07 2012 12:21 GMT
#3578
On December 07 2012 21:08 sharkie wrote:
I wasnt around during the USA World cups but I'd assume the games were all over the country as well, no?
So how would this be different to a whole Europe tournament?


I'd think travelling around america is a lot easier than travelling across europe. You are country hopping so there will probably be tons of visa issues and all that. Sounds like a pain in the ass.
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
December 07 2012 12:44 GMT
#3579
On December 07 2012 21:21 Stimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 21:08 sharkie wrote:
I wasnt around during the USA World cups but I'd assume the games were all over the country as well, no?
So how would this be different to a whole Europe tournament?


I'd think travelling around america is a lot easier than travelling across europe. You are country hopping so there will probably be tons of visa issues and all that. Sounds like a pain in the ass.


Just for the non EU-countries though
But does it djent?
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2671 Posts
December 07 2012 13:03 GMT
#3580
On December 07 2012 21:21 Stimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 21:08 sharkie wrote:
I wasnt around during the USA World cups but I'd assume the games were all over the country as well, no?
So how would this be different to a whole Europe tournament?


I'd think travelling around america is a lot easier than travelling across europe. You are country hopping so there will probably be tons of visa issues and all that. Sounds like a pain in the ass.


What?! It's EU for a reason?
You don't need visa or something like that to travel around in the EU.
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