EPTDiet Soda ok or bad?
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Tiamat
United States498 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
I dunno, there seems to be a belief that it MUST be bad but no actual evidence? I've been confused about this issue for awhile. | ||
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StaticIce
Australia9 Posts
The carcinogenic effects of the artificial sweeteners is a far lower risk of harming you then the potential of diabetes or heart disease caused by the sugar which is far more common. There been some studies conducted by the University of Sydney in Australia which there were a few thesis is on this topic. | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
i made the switch to flavored sparkling water and ice tea instead and wow. what a difference. once you get used to it you won't in back to anything else. feel like a new person. | ||
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Nazarene
Denmark996 Posts
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lowallyn
Canada84 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 07 2011 18:08 StaticIce wrote: Most of the Medical student that iv talked to about this say that the sugar to soda is far worse for you then the artificial sweetener in the diet soda. The carcinogenic effects of the artificial sweeteners is a far lower risk of harming you then the potential of diabetes or heart disease caused by the sugar which is far more common. There been some studies conducted by the University of Sydney in Australia which there were a few thesis is on this topic. The problem with hearsay is that you can't tell which is really reliable. I heard the complete opposite, that the sugar is way better than artificial sweeteners. Personally I try to avoid artificial sweeteners. I dunno why, just feel better about it. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
Also I actually prefer the taste of Diet Coke than Classic because Classic leaves a nasty acidic after-taste which I really dislike. That said, apparently Coke Zero is really bad but Diet Coke is alright. Something to do with brain function or something in Zero. | ||
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either. Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda! | ||
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
 Also, I am pretty sure that Diet soda is very bad for your teeth if you care about that lol. TLDR: Soda habit hard to kick because substitutes are not particularly healthy either. Pretty much should try to drink water, but there are many reasons why this is hard. | ||
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RosaParksStoleMySeat
Japan926 Posts
That's kind of how I quit all other unhealthy drinks. Coffee when I wake up and green tea for the rest of the day is very enjoyable for me. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On November 07 2011 21:16 windzor wrote: So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that. Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either. Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda! If you don't cite a study, this kind of comes off as tin foil hattish. For all those suggesting coffee take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_coffee#Risks ok, so it's maybe not a big deal, just interesting and here is the deal with aspartame nicely summarized by wiki shit's safe unless you inject grams of it into a rat and a quick summary on diet sodas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_soda#Health_concerns Looks to me like having some diet soda isn't a big deal, but that people who tend to drink diet soda tend to make other bad choices for themselves, but I guess you would know if you are or aren't. Also, having all of that caffeine is not good for you for sure. Maybe try getting down to just 2 a day. It seems that there is not really any problem with it. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
at least reduce the amount of soda you drink, because even if you like the taste, it doesnt mean you have to completely binge the fuck out and only drink it for every meal and every hydration of your day. | ||
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dymlos
United States19 Posts
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dtvu
Australia687 Posts
On November 07 2011 22:45 Orpheos wrote: really I think you should try just try switching to drinking water. its more natural and saves you alot of money. at least reduce the amount of soda you drink, because even if you like the taste, it doesnt mean you have to completely binge the fuck out and only drink it for every meal and every hydration of your day. Agree Water is more natural and ironically people buys bottled water nowadays - I still find this hilarious. But on topic, drinking one or two diet soda instead of the real soda is probable better for you in the long run. However, if you are gonna drink it as a replacement for water, then that gets a bit unhealthy (8 is practically replacing water since you only need to drink 8 glasses of water a day). | ||
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-stOpSKY-
Canada498 Posts
On November 07 2011 21:16 windzor wrote: So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that. Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either. Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda! While methanol is one of the byproducts in the digestion and 10 mL of *PURE* methanol can cause blindless please dont quote everything you see on wikipedia as true. There is a reason you cant just cite wikipedia for university research lmao. Free methanol is created when the temperatures are much higher than you would have in a normal environment. So unless you are nuking your can of diet soda in the microwave this wont be an issue. Although improper storage could cause this as well. To the OP... I would just all together stop drinking any forms of soda.. esp 8 cans a day. There are much more harmful things in diet soda than just aspartame. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
On November 07 2011 21:16 windzor wrote: So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that. Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either. Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda! Contrary to the poster above, there's not a lot you can do to make this statement not sound tin foil hattish. Methanol is a naturally occurring substance that is found in all kinds of things, including fruit. A very large dose of it will in fact make you go blind, and more of it will kill you, but a massive dose of water will also make you die, and no one is worried that diet sodas' high water content is deleterious to their health. http://www.ajcn.org/content/46/1/204.abstract <-- A paper describing the blood concentrations of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol produced by injesting aspartame. The abstract reads: Toxicology is based on the premise that all compounds are toxic at some dose. Thus, it is not surprising that very large doses of aspartame (or its components--aspartate, phenylalanine, and methanol) produce deleterious effects in sensitive animal species. The critical question is whether aspartame ingestion is potentially harmful to humans at normal use and potential abuse levels. This paper reviews clinical studies testing the effects of various doses of aspartame upon blood levels of aspartate, phenylalanine, and methanol. These studies demonstrate that blood levels of these compounds are well below levels associated with adverse effects in sensitive animal species. Moving on to your "chloride molycules." I'm not sure where this is coming from. Pepsi is sweetened using aspartame, as far as I can find, which doesn't contain chloride. It used to contain saccharin, but that also doesn't contain any chloride. Are you thinking of sucralose (Splenda)? It contains chloride, but as far as I can find the only diet soda that uses it is one I've never heard of called Diet Rite. And assuming I'm missing something about the ingredients of a Diet Pepsi, why would the presence of molecules containing chloride in your food scare you so much? You know it's the non-sodium half of a table salt molecule, right? | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
i dont know antyhing but since you said it has caffeine in...? i drink only milk/water unless i am bumming out (in which case ill have coca cola with ice, or fruit juice, or fruit smoothies, and reeeeally enjoy it all) but when i have energy drink, the 30mg caffine stuff, it has a pretty profound affect on me. ill slowly drink a litre bottle of it over a few hours and be buzzing , pretty much a substitute for alcohol. but if i drink anymore than 1 litre or 900ml then i start to feel very nauseous/sick, and get racing thoughts/have trouble getting to sleep later. i havent read any info on it but just saying it has a pretty powerful affect on me (someone who ddrinks it very irregularly and barely drinks coffee) so maybe it is bad for you too. i actually dont drink coffee sometimes too when offered incase it makes my heart race and makes me become anxious as decaf said the cost of your drink sound crazy but thats not something we can really judge ourselves :D i would probably wanna try drinking fruit smoothies every day if they werent like £2 a litre or whatever! i know you dont want anecdotal info but meh :D | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
Drinking 8 cans a day is definitely NOT good for you. Water is the way to go, and it's free. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On November 07 2011 17:34 Klogon wrote: decafchicken, do you drink your coffee decaf? I feel about decaf coffee the same way i feel about non-alcoholic beer. What's the point? I do eat my chicken decaf though. | ||
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Blackhawk13
United States442 Posts
You should be in some kind of diet soda study lol. That much soda will definitely fuck up your teeth at the very least | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
water tea coffee avoid everything else | ||
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
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SoBeDragon
United States192 Posts
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
1) Frequent exposure to diet soda's acidity is not good for teeth. 2) If you drink diet cola (Coke, Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, etc.) it contains phosphoric acid which can cause problems with calcium deposition in bones, teeth, etc, beyond just the basic acidity of soda from its carbonation. 3) That shit is expensive. I have probably spent several thousand USD over the past decade on diet soda. 4) Aspartame contains aspartic acid, and since aspartame is such a simple molecule, contributes to high levels of free aspartic acid in the gut. Aspartic acid can act as an excitotoxin (similar to the free glutamate in MSG), crossing the blood/brain barrier and leading to a host of problems. You often hear of former diet soda addicts who report that after stopping they don't feel as depressed, "cloudy," or are free of a host of other mental symptoms. These people are almost always sensitive to excitotoxins. 5) Even though it's free of sugar, lots of new research is suggesting that your brain still perceives diet soda as a "high reward food," and as such large consumption of diet soda can actually cause your body to store more fat (altering its so-called "setpoint") and to crave high reward foods. In this way diet soda can actually be both addictive and detrimental to efforts to eat well and be healthy. I found it incredibly difficult to quit at first (I went cold turkey, and recommend it to those looking to stop), but haven't had any in nearly two months now. I find my sweet cravings are very much reduced and that "real" food actually tastes much better now, and I'm more able to appreciate subtle flavors and the natural sweetness that is in normal food. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
It's not just the sugar, it's the gross syrups and not to mention the ridiculous amount of sodium in soda's that are bad. And artificial sweeteners? I think the name of it basically explains everything. Also, these 'studies' that show aspartame is not as bad? Can't see that being true ever. There are also studies that show that by drinking diet soda's you actually get sugar cravings more because your body thinks it's getting sugar but it really isn't so it craves the junk. Not saying this is true per se, but it makes you think about if aspartame is good or not. Or what Ingenol said. Avoid the junk. | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
On November 08 2011 03:19 Ingenol wrote: 5) Even though it's free of sugar, lots of new research is suggesting that your brain still perceives diet soda as a "high reward food," and as such large consumption of diet soda can actually cause your body to store more fat (altering its so-called "setpoint") and to crave high reward foods. In this way diet soda can actually be both addictive and detrimental to efforts to eat well and be healthy. I think this point is really big, especially for those who are trying to diet properly. Your body become accustomed to a pretty high level of sweetness, and so it becomes a lot harder to resist the cravings. 8 cans per day is a lot, I would definitely recommend at least toning down the quantity. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
I find it silly people are citing bad reasons such as 'it can make you crave more sweets!' as if some how just straight up injesting 200+ calories by drinking a normal soda is better than the -potential- to be mentally weak and break from your diet by drinking too much diet soda. But alas, soda isn't ever really GOOD for you, diet or not. If you're serious about losing weight i'd just stick to water. If you have to cheat and drink soda make sure it's diet. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
- supposed carcinogenic effect of some sweeteners (tested in rats and some proof found) - drinking "sweet" drinks even if they have no calories themselves has been linked to weight gain because the sweetness makes you want to eat more (lots of studies) - rots your teeth (seriously); the acid in the soda will destroy the enamel on your teeth (use a straw is what my oral hygienist told me) - yellow dye no. 5 shrinks your balls (what i was told in high school; not sure what to think) - caffeine can cause certain health problems and is addictive; drink a lot of caffeine for a week and see what happens when you quit cold turkey. i drink a lot of diet mt dew, which has a ton of caffeine, but is awesome. i am trying to cut down, but its just so damn good. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
Optimal would be to drink only water though | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
On November 08 2011 06:09 crms wrote: I find it silly people are citing bad reasons such as 'it can make you crave more sweets!' as if some how just straight up injesting 200+ calories by drinking a normal soda is better than the -potential- to be mentally weak and break from your diet by drinking too much diet soda. The argument was not targeted towards describing why diet soda is better than normal soda. Even if it's not as bad as normal soda for dieting, it's still bad. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On November 08 2011 06:22 Slithe wrote: The argument was not targeted towards describing why diet soda is better than normal soda. Even if it's not as bad as normal soda for dieting, it's still bad. I wasn't directing at you, sorry if it seemed that way. Others in this thread have advocated regular soda over diet for this reason, as well as some deluded coworkers of mine.. Anyway, I agree, soda of any type is bad for a dieter! | ||
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GregtehGerg
United States10 Posts
I am a food science major at Ohio State university and I would like to make a few points. Everything I'm about to list is the majority opinion of the food scientist community and to the best of our scientific knowledge is correct. - An average person must drink 17 cans worth of diet soda, every day of the year, in order for aspartame to begin to build up in their system. - The studies done on rats showed cancerous growth when they were fed the aspartame equivalent of 500 cans of diet soda per day. The validity of these tests has also been doubted. There have also been tests done that have shown no link between aspartame and cancerous growth. - No artificial sweetener currently on the market has been linked to cancerous growth or any other side effect in a reputable study. What i mean by this is any study that has been done and shown side effects of artificial sweeteners, has not been able to be replicated by other researchers. Personal opinion (based on scientific knowledge): Diet sodas are fine to drink if you so choose. Any questions feel free to PM me  | ||
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
Everyone saying "it's sweet and makes you want to eat sweet things" - that's just silly. If you are so mentally weak that you're going to give in to cravings, you're obviously not ready for a diet. I've actually had the exact opposite reaction. Because I can drink diet coke, I don't crave sweets or fat things, because I enjoy the taste of diet coke, so I don't miss the other tastes. Because of diet coke I've lost 42 lbs in the last 6 weeks. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On November 08 2011 07:25 two.watup wrote: Yeah I drink like 3 cans a day, and I've always been paranoid about what it does, but reading Greg's post, as well as an incredible amount online, you're pretty safe unless you inject gallons of it into your bloodstream. Everyone saying "it's sweet and makes you want to eat sweet things" - that's just silly. If you are so mentally weak that you're going to give in to cravings, you're obviously not ready for a diet. I've actually had the exact opposite reaction. Because I can drink diet coke, I don't crave sweets or fat things, because I enjoy the taste of diet coke, so I don't miss the other tastes. Because of diet coke I've lost 42 lbs in the last 6 weeks. i wonder how much more you would lose if you drank water! | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
On November 08 2011 07:33 Orpheos wrote: i wonder how much more you would lose if you drank water! None, diet coke doesn't have any calories. And I do drink water. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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CCitrus
Canada164 Posts
I used to drink 2-3 cans of Diet Coke a day, mostly for the fizzy cold but eventually because I loved the taste. I had convinced myself that nothing was wrong with the stuff but after a couple years I started getting headaches whenever I drank it. It got really bad and so I quit. Nowadays, half a can of Diet Coke will trigger a headache, as will 2+ sticks of aspartame-containing gum. I think the jury's still out on aspartame. However, I get the feeling that in 30 years we'll look back at aspartame like we look back at some of the pharmaceuticals of our grandparents' era. | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
FDA officials describe aspartame as "one of the most thoroughly tested and studied food additives the agency has ever approved" and its safety is "clear cut". The weight of existing scientific evidence indicates that aspartame is safe at current levels of consumption as a non-nutritive sweetener. You might have a bad reaction to artificial sweeteners, but aspartame doesn't do anything to the brain that sugar doesn't. The only thing people have to criticize aspartame is that it metabolizes into Formaldehyde, but the quantity is several hundred times less than the amount the human body naturally produces anyway. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
Like everything, just use in moderation. 8 diet sodas is way fucking much, even if you drank that amount in water (3/4 gallon, or over 2 liters) you'll be going for a piss every hour. Unless you exercise and sweat a lot every day. | ||
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CSD
United States13 Posts
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Obstikal
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On November 08 2011 07:25 two.watup wrote: Everyone saying "it's sweet and makes you want to eat sweet things" - that's just silly. If you are so mentally weak that you're going to give in to cravings, you're obviously not ready for a diet. It's pretty silly that you would even call people mentally weak just because they give in on cravings. A majority of people go on diets for more personal reasons like health related issues or w/e. They are not body builders or athletes where so much depends on not giving into cravings. Its down right stupid to call someone mentally weak because they give into a craving. Diets are extremely hard to follow because its a 24hour thing we have to abide to not a few hours a week commitment to the gym or to studying. It's every moment we are awake. And to say someone is not ready for a diet just doesn't make sense. Maybe you have the capabilities to resist urges easily but the same doesn't go for someone whose been on a shitty diet eating sugar and fats all day. Yes, eating or drinking something sweet may cause people to eat more sweet things because sometimes when someone eats a lot of sugar its not easy to drink a diet soda and have a slight taste of sweetness and have that sooth the craving. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
having said that, i have been drinking purely water (water ONLY) for about a yr now. On November 09 2011 12:15 LightningStrike wrote: Diet soda is very bad for you since Aspartame accualy makes to get more fat absorbant said my chemistary teacher so ya diet soda are not good for you after all lol........... that is completely untrue tell your teacher they are a fucking idiot | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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TheToaster
United States280 Posts
My basic philosophy is to eat and drink not with moderation, but with extreme variety. If I'm drinking all of these other types of beverages, it doesn't really matter what can be found in Diet Coke, because it will take an entire cycle through all the other beverage choices before I feel like drinking soda again. But I still have no idea why people become completely dependent on coffee. If you really need caffeine for everyday reasons that badly, try getting medication from a doctor. Lack of sleep is a medical issue, so fixing it with an over the counter substance like coffee is just ridiculous. On a side note, I find it sad that most convenient stores sell basically 100% carbonated drinks and nothing else. It's easy to get the good stuff while shopping in a grocery store, but after a workout or run, it would be nice to stop by a gas station and know I can get something that will actually hydrate me. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
8 cans is way to much also. You can expect teeth decay to start with. No amount of oral hygiene will prevent that with that kind of nutrition. Basically Diet sodas aren't better then normal once (worse even by some). And normal once are horrible, horrible for your oral and general health. Get used to drinking water/lemonade/tea...... EDIT: For people addicted to caffeine part in coffee/sodas, try black tea (i dislike it personally). It has ~5x more caffeine then coffee. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On November 09 2011 14:21 slytown wrote: I know the OP is thinking about direct health effects of diet soda but you should also consider how diet soda is made. Like most processed foods, diet soda is composed of corn by-product. HFC is a common American industrial glucose because takes away from the sugar production of countries like Brazil. The environmental effect, however, is an inordinate amount of corn production over multi-cultivation. By forcing much of American farm production into corn and soybeans, the land becomes monocultured and less likely to produce over time, where polyculture statistically is a more stable and environmentally friendly type of production. Unfortunately, politics, industry, and modern consumerism favor monoculture. HFC is not in diet soda because it is hFRUCTOSEc. it counts as a carbohydrate and works almost exactly like one, except it is worse for you than normal fructose or sucrose. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On November 08 2011 07:25 two.watup wrote: Everyone saying "it's sweet and makes you want to eat sweet things" - that's just silly. If you are so mentally weak that you're going to give in to cravings, you're obviously not ready for a diet. You know, funnily enough you can replace the sweets with diet soda and get the exact same statement. If someone truly wants to lose weight they should have no problems drinking only water. | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
Anyway, looking at the thread it seems like drinking diet sodas are not terribly harmful, but also not good for you. As such, drinking diet sodas in moderation is probably fine if you enjoy them. | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
On November 09 2011 12:10 Obstikal wrote: It's pretty silly that you would even call people mentally weak just because they give in on cravings. A majority of people go on diets for more personal reasons like health related issues or w/e. They are not body builders or athletes where so much depends on not giving into cravings. Its down right stupid to call someone mentally weak because they give into a craving. Diets are extremely hard to follow because its a 24hour thing we have to abide to not a few hours a week commitment to the gym or to studying. It's every moment we are awake. And to say someone is not ready for a diet just doesn't make sense. Maybe you have the capabilities to resist urges easily but the same doesn't go for someone whose been on a shitty diet eating sugar and fats all day. Yes, eating or drinking something sweet may cause people to eat more sweet things because sometimes when someone eats a lot of sugar its not easy to drink a diet soda and have a slight taste of sweetness and have that sooth the craving. You assume I'm one of the fitness assholes here lol, while flattering, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I've been overweight most of my life. It sucked, and two months ago I decided to stop it. I made the choice to stop eating shitty things, so I haven't eaten shitty things, and now I've lost 45 lbs, and I'm 15 lbs from my goal. I don't crave shitty food anymore. The taste of gaining weight isn't attractive. I can't imagine driving to McDonalds, or Wawa, and buying shit or candy. It's just disgusting to me. Anyone can make that choice. It's a choice. You just don't eat stupid shit. It's the easiest thing I've ever done. You aren't addicted to shitty food, you don't have to eat it. That's a terrible cop out, and as someone who used to choose to eat poorly as well, I won't accept that. On November 09 2011 19:21 Sneakyz wrote: You know, funnily enough you can replace the sweets with diet soda and get the exact same statement. If someone truly wants to lose weight they should have no problems drinking only water. The point is that Diet Coke isn't bad for you, so there's no reason not to drink it. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On November 09 2011 21:25 Daigomi wrote: This is honestly one of the worst threads in the HF forum. 95% anecdotal evidence or hearsay. Even worse, people aren't answering the question the OP posed either. The question wasn't "Is drinking diet soda's part of an optimal diet?" or "Are diet soda's good for you?". The OP clearly enjoys drinking diet soda and simply wanted to know if drinking diet soda is terrible for you or ok. Suggesting that the OP simply drinks water and milk because it's better for him doesn't answer his question at all. Anyway, looking at the thread it seems like drinking diet sodas are not terribly harmful, but also not good for you. As such, drinking diet sodas in moderation is probably fine if you enjoy them. It is terrible for you. As i said, in the amount he does it, if nothing else, his teeth will start falling out. | ||
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On November 09 2011 21:51 Gotmog wrote: It is terrible for you. As i said, in the amount he does it, if nothing else, his teeth will start falling out. Which is why I said drinking it "in moderation" is probably ok for you. Other than water and milk, there are very few things you can consume 2.8l/2.8kg a day of without it being bad for you. From the evidence in this thread, it doesn't seem like drinking 500ml a day will be "terrible" for you. Once again, it's not good for you but in terms of unhealthy behaviours, it doesn't seem to be particularly serious (as opposed to drinking, smoking, eating pizzas by yourself, etc.). | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On November 09 2011 21:49 two.watup wrote: You assume I'm one of the fitness assholes here lol, while flattering, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I've been overweight most of my life. It sucked, and two months ago I decided to stop it. I made the choice to stop eating shitty things, so I haven't eaten shitty things, and now I've lost 45 lbs, and I'm 15 lbs from my goal. I don't crave shitty food anymore. The taste of gaining weight isn't attractive. I can't imagine driving to McDonalds, or Wawa, and buying shit or candy. It's just disgusting to me. Anyone can make that choice. It's a choice. You just don't eat stupid shit. It's the easiest thing I've ever done. You aren't addicted to shitty food, you don't have to eat it. That's a terrible cop out, and as someone who used to choose to eat poorly as well, I won't accept that. The point is that Diet Coke isn't bad for you, so there's no reason not to drink it. sorry I am going to go offtopic and ignore most of the posts and not contribute anything, but I had to say this. SUP WAWA. shit is fucking cash. only reason I wish I were back in new jersey. that and the vicinity to NY. | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
On November 09 2011 16:33 Gotmog wrote: EDIT: For people addicted to caffeine part in coffee/sodas, try black tea (i dislike it personally). It has ~5x more caffeine then coffee. I'm sorry, this is incorrect, Pound for pound maybe.. but you need a lot more coffee than tea to make a cup of coffee. A cup of coffee has roughly twice as much caffeine as a cup of black tea. | ||
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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
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TheDominator
New Zealand336 Posts
On November 07 2011 21:16 windzor wrote: So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that. Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either. Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda! I think you worded this slightly wrong, because half of normal salt is chloride lol... and so we shouldn't have any salt in our diet? Also, there isn't such a thing as a "chloride molecule". Its a chlorine molecule. Hmmm unless I'm missing something here.... | ||
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Share_The_Land
Canada152 Posts
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
We would all be better off being highly active with perfect diets and no vices (smoking/drinking/etc.) but we have to pick our battles. | ||
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Suvorov
294 Posts
Diet Coke or whatever kind of 'soda drink' is far worse than its normal counterpart (and the normal one is pretty much shit already so meh) for many reasons: 1.- The artificial sweeteners in it are 10x worse than sugar. Aspartame destroys not only brain cells but impairs many bodily functions. No, this is NOT a claim as you said, it's tried and tested. The only reason aspartame, under the name of 'nutrasweet' and all those shit-brands was held back from approval from many years is because all the test animals that were subjected to it suffered a terrible fate. But, you know, there's nothing lobbying and shitloads of money can't do so, 10+ years later, their buddies in the FDA gave them the green lights. 2.- Even if its not actual sugar, chemically it acts much the same, firing up your pancreas to produce insulin, which in turn leads us back to diabetes and all that crap - insulin insensitivity, you name it. 3.- Its a filled with toxins, which the body flushes out sure, but at the expense of many key nutrients such as calcium. 4.- It's addictive, it messes with your brain's chemistry so as to create the 'i need more impulse'. No surprise you're having 8 cans a day, that's the whole purpose behind it. 5.- It's depressive, it gives you a 5 minute energy boost due to the sugar rise but then, insulin is released and down you go into a slow, lazy, depressing set of feelings and lack of energy altogether. In a nutshell, go ahead and drink poison just remember you'll lose the right to be 'surprised' several years down the road when the bill comes to bite you in the ass. Since we're all SC fans here, I'll use a SC analogy. Yes, a single marine won't take down a battlecruiser, archon or ultralisk in one shot, however, keep at it and soon enough it'll die just the same. All those nice little cans you're gulping down every day are consistently hacking away at your system. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
I mean hell, I smoke half a pack a day. Diet coke isn't my biggest vice at all. But I would never try and defend smoking, because there are studies out there which show how bad your cardiovascular system can get over a period of time. Where are the equivalents for Aspartame? That substance has been tested out the wazoo for decades. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On November 09 2011 21:51 Gotmog wrote: It is terrible for you. As i said, in the amount he does it, if nothing else, his teeth will start falling out. This is just untrue. When i was obese I had a regular coke habit WAY more severe than 8 cans a day for years and years. I have a full mouth of pearly whit original teeth, have never even had a cavity (i still drink diet cola today, although way less than my old habit). Me and my friends used to drink cola by the case and their dental health is similar to my knowledge. Moving away from that was a huge part of me losing over 100 lbs and diet is how i made the transition and reduction. Id be very interested to see a study done on people who drink a lot of soda but brush and floss a healthy amount. I can only speak to my experience but id be amazed if the results are anything close to this doomsday scenario. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
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Sebby Lebby
68 Posts
I know it may be seen as trolling, and the answer is just above (and in the thread I guess), but I really have to ask why people don't just drink water? I drink like 1.5-2+ litres a day of it, it makes me feel great. I know you can get acclimated to sodas, juices, etc. but when I drink that stuff I either get a headache, nausia, or I get pretty tired within 30-60 minutes, whereas water truly refreshes me. I have to think that people who don't feel these effects still aren't escaping totally unscathed, or maybe it's somehow good for them to become strong against those kinds of drinks. I think if you can handle a can of normal soda then you have really pushed your body out of bounds a bit, and if you can't stand to drink a bottle of water then that's a little weird. I mean, this is a site full of people who have become able to do amazing, painful, high endurance, high training things, either in BW, SC2, sports, studies, etc. Why not build up your ability to drink plain ol' water? Then again maybe I just am unlucky that caffeine makes me crash so hard, sweaty, and get headaches. If I could (ab)use caffeine like a lot of these people maybe I'd have an even easier time working, etc. But this is a healthy forum thing right, shouldn't we all like, drink water and exercise--caffeine still plays a big role for a lot of you? I'm really curious. But anyways glad to hear that diet soda is not as bad as I thought, I may drink some when I am bored and see what's up. Healthier than iced vanilla lattes apparently. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On November 08 2011 03:02 eshlow wrote: Only good drinks = water tea coffee avoid everything else ^^ | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On November 08 2011 03:19 Ingenol wrote: I found it incredibly difficult to quit at first (I went cold turkey, and recommend it to those looking to stop), but haven't had any in nearly two months now. I find my sweet cravings are very much reduced and that "real" food actually tastes much better now, and I'm more able to appreciate subtle flavors and the natural sweetness that is in normal food. Yep, definitely the best way. I was a little chubby back in grade 10 (~180 lb 5'11 not a lot of muscles i wouldn't think) and during the summer, I just quit coke cold turkey from about 4 cans a day, had probably less than 50 cans since (excluding mixed drinks), and it's been... over nine years. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:34 Velocirapture wrote: This is just untrue. When i was obese I had a regular coke habit WAY more severe than 8 cans a day for years and years. I have a full mouth of pearly whit original teeth, have never even had a cavity (i still drink diet cola today, although way less than my old habit). Me and my friends used to drink cola by the case and their dental health is similar to my knowledge. Moving away from that was a huge part of me losing over 100 lbs and diet is how i made the transition and reduction. Id be very interested to see a study done on people who drink a lot of soda but brush and floss a healthy amount. I can only speak to my experience but id be amazed if the results are anything close to this doomsday scenario. I have no way of knowing if this is true. So, the first thought in my mind is to just ignore it. However... There probably is a way that it is true. It'd require you to be in the area with great water (optimal fluoride count), extremely good genetics (very VERY good saliva clearens in your mouth, with nicely spaced teeth etc), lack of other bad habits + good oral hygiene. While all this might be true for you, i doubt its true for all your other friends, nor that you personally know their oral state. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On November 09 2011 22:08 Daigomi wrote: Which is why I said drinking it "in moderation" is probably ok for you. Other than water and milk, there are very few things you can consume 2.8l/2.8kg a day of without it being bad for you. From the evidence in this thread, it doesn't seem like drinking 500ml a day will be "terrible" for you. Once again, it's not good for you but in terms of unhealthy behaviours, it doesn't seem to be particularly serious (as opposed to drinking, smoking, eating pizzas by yourself, etc.). Well...anything you put in your body has a toxic threshold ofc (including water in obscene amount). So yeah, drinking a can of soda won't be bad. Problem is that moderation is a vague term. While a dr might consider moderation once a week, someone else might think its 1/day. So I'd say that OP would be ok cutting from 8>1/day, and try to drink it during the meal (or around the meal), notbetween them. | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
Anyway, coca cola, pepsi or whatever tastes like crap. I've drank them a handful of times through the last few years, and I don't like the taste at all anymore, probably because I'm not hooked on caffeine anymore. It tastes like sugar and water pretty much. There's a swedish soft drink called Trocadero, which has caffeine, but also have tastes of apple and orange, and I still find that drink to be quite tasty. This proves that I'm not anti-coke just because I know what's in it. I can honestly say that it tastes bad. So, my tip is to exchange the caffeinated drinks for regular soda. That will make it easier to get off caffeine, and then eventually you will hopefully stop drinking entirely. At the very least you will start drinking more in moderation. That's something I can guarantee if you get off the caffeine. I will never introduce a caffeinated drink to my future kids. I will not abolish such drinks entirely, because I don't believe in having complete control over another persons life, but I will make sure that they know what they are drinking. I think parents are very irresponsible concerning caffeinated drinks. Most parents don't even give this a thought. I don't really know why, but I'm guessing it's because most adults are hooked on coffee or tea. Caffeine is truly the invisible drug. | ||
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On November 07 2011 15:39 Tiamat wrote: Aside from the claims that Aspartame can kill you, are there any reasons why a Diet soda is bad for you? I drink about 8 cans of diet soda a day, and I am sure its for caffeine related addictions, but I do urinate clear at least three times a day, thats good right? I'm not sure if there's anything specific to diet soda that is bad for you as far as I know, but drinking 8 cans a day of ANY SODA is bad for you. Soda is acidic, so if you drink that much everyday your going to burn through your teeth. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
tl;dr is it's safe. IMO though you should get used to water if you can. It will save a lot of money (since water is cheaper [assuming it's not expensive bottled water >.>]). Edit - Also there is a Caffeine free version of diet soda usually. I tried it and I like it. IMO though don't depend on caffeine from diet soda to keep you awake or anything. The amount of caffeine in diet soda is really small compared to coffee (most cups of coffee like from Starbucks or McDonalds have at least 10x the amount of caffeine). | ||
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tests
United States160 Posts
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On November 12 2011 22:55 Gotmog wrote: I have no way of knowing if this is true. So, the first thought in my mind is to just ignore it. However... There probably is a way that it is true. It'd require you to be in the area with great water (optimal fluoride count), extremely good genetics (very VERY good saliva clearens in your mouth, with nicely spaced teeth etc), lack of other bad habits + good oral hygiene. While all this might be true for you, i doubt its true for all your other friends, nor that you personally know their oral state. When I mentioned my friend's oral health I was stating that they have not had any major problems (missing teeth, extreme discoloration/things I would notice) and I think somebody has wound you pretty tight around some strange Ideas to think 8 cans will dissolve your face (with normal healthy oral care). I can only speak from my own experience, but I am yet so see a study that shows such disastrous outcomes and if peoples teeth were falling out left and right (a couple liters a day of cola is a surprisingly common habit) Id expect to find some. It is definitely not healthy, but other than off white teeth, caffeine issues and slightly higher incidences of tooth decay complications I dont see an issue until proven otherwise. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
Drink Beer | ||
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Scap
United States60 Posts
Aspartame's metabolized into 3 things: Methanol (which is eventually metabolized into formic acid, which is the actual part that can attack your optic nerve. There's more methanol in liquor or fruit juice though than in an average can of coke zero if I recall correctly), aspartic acid (a non-essential amino acid, your body is already making it and getting it from tons of other food) and phenylalanine (an essential amino acid, but people with phenylketonuria aren't able to metabolize it too well and must manage their intake). Assuming there are about 100 mg of aspartame in a coke zero can, that will yield 13.7 MICROliters of methanol. 1/700th the required amount to cause blindness. You'll be fine. Most studies pointing to aspartame and other artificial sweeteners toxicity often require dosages far too high for your average human to ingest to reach the deleterious effects. The one thing I concede to the anti-artificial sweetener camp is it may increase cravings for sweets. But if you have to choose between coke and coke zero (and I need a soda with my pizza, sorry), coke zero is more likely your better bet. The acid argument is void if you drink orange juice btw, citric acid and dilute phosphoric acid are both terrible for your teeth. I'm not sure as to how true the phosphoric acid business is, as your blood is buffered by phosphates. Admittedly you'd be increasing the concentration by adding in phosphoric acid and I don't know what that will do to bones. The person earlier in this thread who's anti-chloride made me giggle, btw. Finally: Let the poor guy drink what he wants, the best argument in my mind is to just reduce the intake for monetary reasons. I personally drink a coke zero on occasion, haven't noticed any negative effects so far and I put equal (aspartame) in my coffee. Only thing I've noticed is I've lost weight. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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DucksCanKill
Netherlands30 Posts
Just stick to water and on ocassion another drink. It is much healthier and the 'other drink' will taste muucchh better! | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On November 07 2011 18:37 Nazarene wrote: Don't drink that crap, drink water. Drinking 'diet' soda will make you more hungry and thus make you gain weight (studies in both rodent and man). Furthermore, the acid in these 'diet' sodas will destroy your teeth. I drink excessive amounts of diet soda and weigh less than the average person. Gaining weight is an effect of not exercising properly unless other big factors are counted in. Yes it makes me hungrier but as someone who overall doesn't eat all that much I don't have a problem with it. The cancer argument is rather stupid as well, if I have a bigger chance of cancer by just being outside then I really don't feel like stopping drinking diet soda is on the to do list. | ||
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Fleebenworth
463 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:49 lindn wrote: I drink excessive amounts of diet soda and weigh less than the average person. Gaining weight is an effect of not exercising properly unless other big factors are counted in. Yes it makes me hungrier but as someone who overall doesn't eat all that much I don't have a problem with it. The cancer argument is rather stupid as well, if I have a bigger chance of cancer by just being outside then I really don't feel like stopping drinking diet soda is on the to do list. I don't think you understand how cancer risk works in the real world. As others have noted, diet sodas and artificial sweeteners are filled with terrible shit that will fuck up your body. The only reason they are legal is because early on things like aspartame were backed by plutocrats (Donald Rumsfeld) and are now a major industry. | ||
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nullmind
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 07 2011 20:17 KeksX wrote: The problem with hearsay is that you can't tell which is really reliable. I heard the complete opposite, that the sugar is way better than artificial sweeteners. Personally I try to avoid artificial sweeteners. I dunno why, just feel better about it. The latest study I have seen stated that sugar is a better and healthier choice than artificial sweetener. Something on discovery channel, or it might have been modern marvels on history. BTW - Haven't touched a pop in the past 3 years. No reason, just wanted to prove I could do it for a year, and then never drank one after that year mark. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
There are many studies that give credit to either side. Personally I don't think it's bad if just use it in moderation, like most things. | ||
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Sanhadrian
Poland33 Posts
I'd say that one should definitely not overgeneralise in regards to the, so to speak, "ethical polarity" of particular foodstuffs; i.e.: the "goodness" or "badness" of something is, to all intents and purposes, a matter of opinion. The only generalization that is viable is that one's diet should be as diverse as possible, since every substance is good for one thing, while being detrimental to something else. It is largely a question of priority. I'm on a course of isotretinoin because I want to treat my acne, even though there are side effects of taking retinoids in large doses. This does not make retinoid either inherently "bad" or "good"; however, from my perspective, it makes them instrumental to my agenda. To invoke less extreme examples (that is one’s not rooted in the realm pharmaceuticals), consider smoking (carcinogenic, good for irritable bowel and a stimulant); high protein diet (helps muscle growth, a pain on the kidneys); cholesterol (allows for the production of sex hormones, but leads to atherosclerosis in excess amounts). This is actually a dilemma. Do I want to eat meat and die, or be a damn sissy? It’s really like a Greek tragedy, now matter what you do, there is no right course of action. One can find solace in the fact that one can’t really do wrong either. | ||
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Hexadecimal
Canada55 Posts
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
Aspartame causes cancer/kills brain cells/promotes pancreatic disease/etc. If you're gonna make a claim like this, back it up with some sources otherwise you're just pulling shit out of your ass. I don't believe there's ANY conclusive proof of severe negative effects of aspartame. If there is, then show a source and make sure that source is credible. I'm not completely sure why it's bad, but a lot of people are talking about it so it must be bad If this is what you think then you need to spend some time alone and completely change how you think about things in the world. People who drink diet soda tend to eat other unhealthy food This is similar to the "marijuana is a gateway drug" argument - i.e. it's a pretty bad one. Don't drink it. Only drink water. Water is GOOD! NEED MORE This doesn't even address why you shouldn't drink diet soda. It's just following some general idea that things that are more natural = good, and while this isn't necessarily a bad guideline, it's way too general to conclude that artificial things are always bad, without addressing the reasons. And I hope you also know that too much water can kill you too. I'd also like to say that both my parents are heavy drinkers of coke zero. My mother is a doctor and my father has a Ph.D in microbiology ( I know, puts a lot of expectations on my head). Also my brother who is a practicing nutritionist (and a health junkie) drinks it fairly regularly. The only reason I don't is because I can't stand the terrible aftertaste, and I'm a frugal little bastard. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v16/n8/abs/oby2008284a.html http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.short http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/22/2477.extract http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v12/n5/abs/oby200494a.html In the end, most observational type studies conclude artificial sweeteners are related to increased chance for obesity, diabetes, and metabolic syndrome. Is that because diet soda is being used by these individuals to initiate weight loss? Possibly. But there also is some possibilities of AS affected various satiety and differential hormonal outputs (as taste/sugar type stuff do affect the brain neurochemically). However, none of this has been conclusively proven as neither has the above statement. Given that most articles even though they note there may be no causality between AS' and risk factors, they do discourage the use of artificial sweeteners. I would have to agree..... go water / tea / coffee and get off this type of stuff if possible. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
Diet soda usually uses Aspartame which has been shown to be mostly safe (as long as you don't consume a ton of diet soda a day that is. 3-4 cans is okay but 10 or more daily is a no no guys >.>.) Wikipedia: Wikipedia on Aspartame Basically they say aspartame is safe but may lead you to want to crave other sweet stuff (that may or may not be healthy). So in short it's safe as long as you don't go crazy on other stuff. Wikipedia is a reliable guide for topics like this because it cites several sources. Usually see the discussion page or see if there is any neutrality or factual template. If it has neither and there seems to be a lot of sources, usually the article is trustworthy (article really just lists sources anyway). Anyway I say drink water and don't depend on caffeine in diet coke to stay awake or anything. Drinking diet soda once in a while is okay but you could get too "used to it" and find drinking anything else unsuitable. Plus it helps your self control on food + drinks if you are used to drinking water or only drinking it diet soda only once in a while. Safe but probably better to just go for a healthier (in terms of allowing more self control) alternative in general like not as tasty water but still as satisfying is the way to go IMO (also cheaper if you don't go bottled water). | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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Vandersteen
United States31 Posts
Lol GL | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
Drink water, everyone should be drinking it daily. Also a healthy lifestyle will help you in a long run. I used to drink energy drinks such as monsters, lost and rockstars for a few years. Staying up all night, playing and watching BW all night is not good either. :[ Not good for my health big time... Glad I kicked the habit. | ||
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Panzerfaust7
United States38 Posts
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capomatrice
United States30 Posts
a summary on sciam reads: ...A new study with rats shows that low-cal fat substitutes can actually promote weight gain. Dieters can choose from an array of snacktackular options in which sugars and fats are replaced by artificial, low-calorie substitutes. That sleight of hand seems ingenious. You can let your body think it’s getting the sweets and fats it craves while keeping the calorie count to a minimum. But the new study suggests that this strategy is likely to backfire. Rats that consumed a mix of full-fat chips and chips with olestra wound up eating more and got fatter than rats that noshed on regular chips alone. Their bodies were apparently getting mixed messages. A mouthful of fat is usually a signal that calories are coming, and the body reacts by getting ready to burn fuel. But olestra, which tastes like fat, carries no calories at all. So the body soon learns to stand down in the face of fat. All fat. Even real fat. Because as Shakespeare almost said, a chip by any other name still swells your seat. sciam source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=fat-substitutes-may-make-you-fatter-11-06-24 | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
What about milk? :o | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On November 18 2011 15:59 Bigtony wrote: Gatorade and most "sports drinks" are nearly as bad as soda. If you really can't go cold turkey I'd suggest a blend of 50% fruit juice (preferably something like V8 fusion or something else that has substantial vitamin content and no added sugar) with either water or seltzer. Yes Gatorade shouldn't be drunk too much. Gatorade needs sugar + salt to balance electrolytes though and prevent Water Intoxication. Yes if for whatever reason you need a lot of water (gallon or more), better drink Gatorade instead. In fact that's why when you're sick, you're suggested to eat/drink soup - Soup has a lot of sodium usually which helps get fluids in you while also restore electrolyte balance (prevent water intoxication). Though really water is the way to go for the most part and it's only a concern if you're exercising or something and downing a lot of water (a gallon or more; in that case drink sport drink instead to prevent risk of getting water intoxication). Click. Drink Almond Milk with *"no sugar added" (0 sugar). Regular cow's milk (fat free or whole) has sugar + as the link shows may or may not actually be healthy. *Some stores may or may not have no sugar added almond milk (in that case you may or may not want to bother looking around). Also in case you're lactose intolerant, you definitely don't want to be drinking regular milk but an alternative like almond milk (most people are actually lactose intolerant to some extent. The older you get, the more intolerant you become and less you can drink. If you drink too much milk compared to the amount your body can tolerate, you may get diarrhea for example. Though if you drink milk every day, you'll slow down lactose intolerance but if you only drink once in a while then you'll slowly become more intolerant as you grow older. Though still don't drink too much milk unless it's no sugar added almond milk or something). About fluoride being in water - It's only a concern for certain groups of people (like children). Click. Finally about the previous posts again, here's Wikipedia article on Aspartame. Conclusion is that it's fine as long as you drink less than 10 cans or so a day. Though I say switch to water (also water helps reduce chance of kidney stones). Also I suggest you guys look at wikipedia more than individual links. Wikipedia while not always right, at the least cites several sources. Sometimes individual links to studies will be bias or just weigh it one way and may seem to give one conclusion (without even linking to any counterarguments). That's where wikipedia shines - they list multiple sources and list both pro + con and arguments + counterarguments usually by listing from multiple sources. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On November 19 2011 10:57 eshlow wrote: How is this thread still going. :\ I was wondering this everyday I see someone reply. | ||
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On November 19 2011 17:09 Ingenol wrote: We need a diet beverage subforum in our subforum. Ya when should get that when BW dies out, instead of their forum. | ||
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doktorLucifer
United States855 Posts
I use one or two 200mg caffeine pills about 3-4 times/week, and I'm not really having any problems with it. o_O | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On November 19 2011 10:57 eshlow wrote: How is this thread still going. :\ shush, this thread is starting to become legendary :D keep it going guys! | ||
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Daray
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
So many random people dropping facts that they saw on the internet. If you ask me the nr1 factor in being healthy is ur mental state. I've seen heavy smokers that never have any health problems and I've seen vegans that were unhealthy as hell. why? The smoker just enjoyed life and the vegan obsesively wanted to be healthy. Just live ur life, do whatever u want, but not too much. There's some facts for u. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
Just because the human body is so good at fighting poisons should not mean that we should keep injecting them. I too once met a man who claimed to never had any major illness until, you know, he was diagnosed with COPD(from 40 yr long smoking) and got hooked to an oxygen tank for the rest of his life. A good mental state is important but you should aim to get that without endangering you body. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On November 19 2011 21:55 Garbels wrote: Surely you would not say the heavy smoker is healthy when you could see his black lung. Just because the human body is so good at fighting poisons should not mean that we should keep injecting them. I too once met a man who claimed to never had any major illness until, you know, he was diagnosed with COPD(from 40 yr long smoking) and got hooked to an oxygen tank for the rest of his life. A good mental state is important but you should aim to get that without endangering you body. Yeh off course, my example was a bit extreme. But my point is that u shouldn't think about health with everything you eat/do. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On November 07 2011 15:39 Tiamat wrote: Aside from the claims that Aspartame can kill you, are there any reasons why a Diet soda is bad for you? I drink about 8 cans of diet soda a day, and I am sure its for caffeine related addictions, but I do urinate clear at least three times a day, thats good right? 8 cans? jesus man | ||
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
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Monasou
United States218 Posts
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