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Tiamat
Profile Joined February 2003
United States498 Posts
November 07 2011 06:39 GMT
#1
Aside from the claims that Aspartame can kill you, are there any reasons why a Diet soda is bad for you? I drink about 8 cans of diet soda a day, and I am sure its for caffeine related addictions, but I do urinate clear at least three times a day, thats good right?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
November 07 2011 06:55 GMT
#2
Thats pretty absurd.. Cost alone should be enough incentive not to. I would definitely scale back if for no other reason thats a ridiculous quantity of anything processed to be consumed. Drink coffee for your caffeine fix.
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
November 07 2011 08:34 GMT
#3
decafchicken, do you drink your coffee decaf?
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
November 07 2011 08:37 GMT
#4
This is actually an important question. A lot of people seem to raise their eyebrows at diet soda. As someone who enjoys it myself, I cannot for the life of me find any conclusive evidence that it's bad for you and most of the really scary claims were debunked. And I'm someone who gave up bread and rice to go full paleo (or as close as possible), so its not like I'm just making excuses for something I habitually consume/ enjoy.

I dunno, there seems to be a belief that it MUST be bad but no actual evidence? I've been confused about this issue for awhile.
StaticIce
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 09:09:21
November 07 2011 09:08 GMT
#5
Most of the Medical student that iv talked to about this say that the sugar to soda is far worse for you then the artificial sweetener in the diet soda.
The carcinogenic effects of the artificial sweeteners is a far lower risk of harming you then the potential of diabetes or heart disease caused by the sugar which is far more common. There been some studies conducted by the University of Sydney in Australia which there were a few thesis is on this topic.
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
November 07 2011 09:21 GMT
#6
i switched not so long ago from regular to diet soda and i immediately noticed a big difference in the way i felt. i had a lot more energy and started losing weight but the caffeine still made me feel like shit by the end me the day and i had a lot of trouble falling asleep some nights.

i made the switch to flavored sparkling water and ice tea instead and wow. what a difference. once you get used to it you won't in back to anything else. feel like a new person.
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Nazarene
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Denmark996 Posts
November 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#7
Don't drink that crap, drink water. Drinking 'diet' soda will make you more hungry and thus make you gain weight (studies in both rodent and man). Furthermore, the acid in these 'diet' sodas will destroy your teeth.
lowallyn
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada84 Posts
November 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#8
thanks staticice now i feel a bit less superstitious about it.
Eat bitter.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 11:18:35
November 07 2011 11:17 GMT
#9
On November 07 2011 18:08 StaticIce wrote:
Most of the Medical student that iv talked to about this say that the sugar to soda is far worse for you then the artificial sweetener in the diet soda.
The carcinogenic effects of the artificial sweeteners is a far lower risk of harming you then the potential of diabetes or heart disease caused by the sugar which is far more common. There been some studies conducted by the University of Sydney in Australia which there were a few thesis is on this topic.


The problem with hearsay is that you can't tell which is really reliable. I heard the complete opposite, that the sugar is way better than artificial sweeteners.

Personally I try to avoid artificial sweeteners. I dunno why, just feel better about it.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
November 07 2011 11:30 GMT
#10
I drink in moderation anyway so I am not too bothered about potential health problems.

Also I actually prefer the taste of Diet Coke than Classic because Classic leaves a nasty acidic after-taste which I really dislike.

That said, apparently Coke Zero is really bad but Diet Coke is alright. Something to do with brain function or something in Zero.
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windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
November 07 2011 12:16 GMT
#11
So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that.

Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either.

Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda!
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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
November 07 2011 12:30 GMT
#12
So I used to drink ~4 cans a day of soda, mostly mountain dew with some other stuff and I eventually switched to like half diet. Drank Diet Pepsi though because I don't mind it and Diet Mountain Dew is disgusting. Thing is, while its less calories it still gives all the other problem for me anyways (although calories were def a consideration for me). Since then I actually managed to quit soda almost entirely, (bout a month in) still drink it when eating out or whatever but I don't have it in my apartment. The primary result though is that I just drink a lot more coffee/juice/green and iced tea since my water is pretty much undrinkable and I hate buying water. And Im not really convinced its any healthier, because its roughly same calories I think (and to top it off I actually spend more money)....

Also, I am pretty sure that Diet soda is very bad for your teeth if you care about that lol.

TLDR: Soda habit hard to kick because substitutes are not particularly healthy either. Pretty much should try to drink water, but there are many reasons why this is hard.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
November 07 2011 13:17 GMT
#13
I know this is going to come across as crass, but why not just drink green tea or coffee? Green tea is not a hit among a lot of people when they first drink it, but it's an acquired taste and actually quite delicious once you get used to it.

That's kind of how I quit all other unhealthy drinks. Coffee when I wake up and green tea for the rest of the day is very enjoyable for me.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 13:45:10
November 07 2011 13:33 GMT
#14
On November 07 2011 21:16 windzor wrote:
So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that.

Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either.

Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda!

If you don't cite a study, this kind of comes off as tin foil hattish. For all those suggesting coffee take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_coffee#Risks
ok, so it's maybe not a big deal, just interesting
and here is the deal with aspartame nicely summarized by wiki
shit's safe unless you inject grams of it into a rat
and a quick summary on diet sodas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_soda#Health_concerns

Looks to me like having some diet soda isn't a big deal, but that people who tend to drink diet soda tend to make other bad choices for themselves, but I guess you would know if you are or aren't. Also, having all of that caffeine is not good for you for sure. Maybe try getting down to just 2 a day. It seems that there is not really any problem with it.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 13:45:17
November 07 2011 13:45 GMT
#15
really I think you should try just try switching to drinking water. its more natural and saves you alot of money.

at least reduce the amount of soda you drink, because even if you like the taste, it doesnt mean you have to completely binge the fuck out and only drink it for every meal and every hydration of your day.
dymlos
Profile Joined October 2010
United States19 Posts
November 07 2011 14:03 GMT
#16
i started to cut back on sodas myself. switched from reg to diet then diet to water it was hard but i did it and i dont even crave sodas anymore. i get my caffeine from coffee and tea now. I found that after cutting ties with all sodas i started to feel 10x better.
dtvu
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia687 Posts
November 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#17
On November 07 2011 22:45 Orpheos wrote:
really I think you should try just try switching to drinking water. its more natural and saves you alot of money.

at least reduce the amount of soda you drink, because even if you like the taste, it doesnt mean you have to completely binge the fuck out and only drink it for every meal and every hydration of your day.


Agree Water is more natural and ironically people buys bottled water nowadays - I still find this hilarious. But on topic, drinking one or two diet soda instead of the real soda is probable better for you in the long run. However, if you are gonna drink it as a replacement for water, then that gets a bit unhealthy (8 is practically replacing water since you only need to drink 8 glasses of water a day).
-stOpSKY-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada498 Posts
November 07 2011 14:08 GMT
#18
On November 07 2011 21:16 windzor wrote:
So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that.

Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either.

Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda!


While methanol is one of the byproducts in the digestion and 10 mL of *PURE* methanol can cause blindless please dont quote everything you see on wikipedia as true. There is a reason you cant just cite wikipedia for university research lmao.

Free methanol is created when the temperatures are much higher than you would have in a normal environment. So unless you are nuking your can of diet soda in the microwave this wont be an issue. Although improper storage could cause this as well.

To the OP... I would just all together stop drinking any forms of soda.. esp 8 cans a day. There are much more harmful things in diet soda than just aspartame.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
November 07 2011 14:16 GMT
#19
On November 07 2011 21:16 windzor wrote:
So, Diet Coca cola has Aspartame which in the body chemistry is decomposted into methanol, which is the really dangoures part. 10 mL of that makes you blind, yeah i'm not drinking that.

Diet Pepsi, has chloride molycules attached to the sugar, chloride is known to give you cancer and other bad stuff. Not drinking that either.

Sugar in normal cola / soda. Makes you fat, and if drank in absurd large amounts, but better small amounts of sugar than the other things.. But if you really think of stuff like that, don't drink soda!

Contrary to the poster above, there's not a lot you can do to make this statement not sound tin foil hattish. Methanol is a naturally occurring substance that is found in all kinds of things, including fruit. A very large dose of it will in fact make you go blind, and more of it will kill you, but a massive dose of water will also make you die, and no one is worried that diet sodas' high water content is deleterious to their health.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/46/1/204.abstract <-- A paper describing the blood concentrations of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol produced by injesting aspartame. The abstract reads:

Toxicology is based on the premise that all compounds are toxic at some dose. Thus, it is not surprising that very large doses of aspartame (or its components--aspartate, phenylalanine, and methanol) produce deleterious effects in sensitive animal species. The critical question is whether aspartame ingestion is potentially harmful to humans at normal use and potential abuse levels. This paper reviews clinical studies testing the effects of various doses of aspartame upon blood levels of aspartate, phenylalanine, and methanol. These studies demonstrate that blood levels of these compounds are well below levels associated with adverse effects in sensitive animal species.


Moving on to your "chloride molycules." I'm not sure where this is coming from. Pepsi is sweetened using aspartame, as far as I can find, which doesn't contain chloride. It used to contain saccharin, but that also doesn't contain any chloride. Are you thinking of sucralose (Splenda)? It contains chloride, but as far as I can find the only diet soda that uses it is one I've never heard of called Diet Rite.

And assuming I'm missing something about the ingredients of a Diet Pepsi, why would the presence of molecules containing chloride in your food scare you so much? You know it's the non-sodium half of a table salt molecule, right?
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 14:45:27
November 07 2011 14:44 GMT
#20
wow dude 8 cans worth per day as routine? :3

i dont know antyhing but since you said it has caffeine in...?

i drink only milk/water unless i am bumming out (in which case ill have coca cola with ice, or fruit juice, or fruit smoothies, and reeeeally enjoy it all)

but when i have energy drink, the 30mg caffine stuff, it has a pretty profound affect on me. ill slowly drink a litre bottle of it over a few hours and be buzzing , pretty much a substitute for alcohol. but if i drink anymore than 1 litre or 900ml then i start to feel very nauseous/sick, and get racing thoughts/have trouble getting to sleep later.

i havent read any info on it but just saying it has a pretty powerful affect on me (someone who ddrinks it very irregularly and barely drinks coffee) so maybe it is bad for you too. i actually dont drink coffee sometimes too when offered incase it makes my heart race and makes me become anxious

as decaf said the cost of your drink sound crazy but thats not something we can really judge ourselves :D i would probably wanna try drinking fruit smoothies every day if they werent like £2 a litre or whatever!

i know you dont want anecdotal info but meh :D
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