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Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 20:30:53
July 22 2013 19:57 GMT
#2121
Any Germans or maybe Europeans here who can recommend where to get running shoes online?

My precious ones get old and I want to start using two pairs now. I love my Asics Gel Kayano 17 and want to buy new ones online to save money and buy the other pair at a real shop.

@micronesia: That sucks. I hope you continue running after recovering and don't get discouraged.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
July 22 2013 21:10 GMT
#2122
On July 23 2013 04:57 Don_Julio wrote:
Any Germans or maybe Europeans here who can recommend where to get running shoes online?

My precious ones get old and I want to start using two pairs now. I love my Asics Gel Kayano 17 and want to buy new ones online to save money and buy the other pair at a real shop.

@micronesia: That sucks. I hope you continue running after recovering and don't get discouraged.


Do you want to use two pairs of shoes because of the idea that the insoles take a while to decompress? As far as I know that, if at all, it only applies to elite runners training very high mileages every day. There are a few others reasons that may apply too though like having an indoor pair and an outdoor pair. Or to keep your feet from getting too "attached" biomechanically to one kind.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
July 23 2013 03:58 GMT
#2123
My back was feeling 95% better today so I went this evening to the gym; I ran at 5.4 mph for 30 minutes with no problem, so next time I'll even bump up the speed.

I made sure to stick to lower-body strength exercises though haha.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
July 23 2013 03:59 GMT
#2124
Ended up with a flat Saturday day, so just did a 3M tempo instead, went decent just a smidge under 6:40 pace.

Had a GREAT ride today though, doing 20 miles in just about 57 minutes on my usual mountain bike. It was definitely a hard, borderline race effort though...but I'm pleased with how my cycling is improving in the interim.

Weight now around 157-158...slowly workin back!

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haffy
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom430 Posts
July 23 2013 23:43 GMT
#2125
Sorry if this is an annoying question that's been asked a few times, but should I worry about my heart rate while jogging?


I went for my first run with a heart beat monitor and my friend today. After looking at the stats of my run he said I should probably get my heart checked up on because of the big difference between his working heart rate and mine.

I'm 24, 225 pounds, resting heart rate of about 60-65.

My pace on the run was 9.10 minute miles over 3.8 miles with an average heart rate of 175 and max of 182. It's wasn't a great pace for me and I think I could push myself harder, also I can talk during the jog and I don't feel massively fatigued at the end.

Usually I have 2 relaxed paced runs and a faster paced run like today. Is this fine or should I be running at a more relaxed pace?
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 23:58:00
July 23 2013 23:57 GMT
#2126
On July 24 2013 08:43 haffy wrote:
Sorry if this is an annoying question that's been asked a few times, but should I worry about my heart rate while jogging?


I went for my first run with a heart beat monitor and my friend today. After looking at the stats of my run he said I should probably get my heart checked up on because of the big difference between his working heart rate and mine.

I'm 24, 225 pounds, resting heart rate of about 60-65.

My pace on the run was 9.10 minute miles over 3.8 miles with an average heart rate of 175 and max of 182. It's wasn't a great pace for me and I think I could push myself harder, also I can talk during the jog and I don't feel massively fatigued at the end.

Usually I have 2 relaxed paced runs and a faster paced run like today. Is this fine or should I be running at a more relaxed pace?


You are probably clicking away a little more intense than needed, but that isn't the end of the world. I will say there is no way your average heart rate is 175, and your max is 182. One, or both, of those numbers are incorrect. You would be in some serious pain at over 95% of max heart rate.

As far as worrying about HR while running...I think it's really only useful as an overall baseline over time. I.e. you should find that a you can maintain quicker pace at same HR. It's also useful for tracking trends and spotting overtraining (noticeable HR rise at similar paces over a consistent span of time). For individual runs I'm a huge believer effort is king. Some days a 160 HR (80% max) feels easy, and other days at 140 HR (70% of max) I can feel sluggish. Just run by effort, primarily at an easy pace, and you'll be golden. Your description sounds closer to a moderate run, so maybe run a little easier effort next time out.
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VaySept
Profile Joined April 2011
France39 Posts
July 24 2013 07:25 GMT
#2127
On July 24 2013 08:57 L_Master wrote:
You are probably clicking away a little more intense than needed, but that isn't the end of the world. I will say there is no way your average heart rate is 175, and your max is 182. One, or both, of those numbers are incorrect. You would be in some serious pain at over 95% of max heart rate.

182 is probably the max during this run, not an absolute max.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
July 24 2013 20:24 GMT
#2128
New shoes! Got the Asics GT 3000, name sounds like a racecar. I will take their virginity tomorrow.

I got filmed from behind while running at the treadmill in the shop. Weird, I run with a perfect motion on my left foot but my right foot rotates to the outside. I have some stability issues with it, too. Tested a shoe with lower stability and immediately felt insecure in my right foot and pain in the right shin. Left foot was fine.

The new one feels fine though. A little less stability in the heel than the Kayano but it's fine when I tie them high. Saved about 40€, too.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 20:28:39
July 24 2013 20:25 GMT
#2129
After exactly 1 year of cycling, and ~9month of swimming with only 1 open water swim experience, with a running background, I was able to break 5hour for 70.3 distance!. Swim was rough, water was really choppy, and around 300 participants called it quits just at the swim. I swallowed a lot of water, had to dog paddle for roughly 25m total, but despite all that was still very happy with results.

Splits:
Swim: 40:35 for 1.2mi
Transition 1: 4:50
Bike: 21.22mph - 56miles
Transition 2: 1:45
Run: 1:33:10 -13.1mies

total: 4:58:40
http://www.ironman.com/triathlon/events/americas/ironman-70.3/racine/results.aspx#axzz2ZsK3c0hI

I'm currently 22 years old
rank: 14/96 for my AG (18-24)

Considering that's only my 2nd triathlon, and i'm a very hardworker, i'm very excited for my athletic future.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
July 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#2130
@YPang - Man, nice work dude! Pretty solid finish there too, as your run time blew everyone around you out of the water.

I really need to do one of these triathlons sometime to see what it is like. I always see the bike splits and think goddamn that is fast, then see the run splits and think wtf that is slow as hell. I mean lots of guys were cycling 23-25mph and then running mid 7' pace.
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
July 24 2013 21:09 GMT
#2131
On July 25 2013 05:25 YPang wrote:
After exactly 1 year of cycling, and ~9month of swimming with only 1 open water swim experience, with a running background, I was able to break 5hour for 70.3 distance!. Swim was rough, water was really choppy, and around 300 participants called it quits just at the swim. I swallowed a lot of water, had to dog paddle for roughly 25m total, but despite all that was still very happy with results.

Splits:
Swim: 40:35 for 1.2mi
Transition 1: 4:50
Bike: 21.22mph - 56miles
Transition 2: 1:45
Run: 1:33:10 -13.1mies

total: 4:58:40
http://www.ironman.com/triathlon/events/americas/ironman-70.3/racine/results.aspx#axzz2ZsK3c0hI

I'm currently 22 years old
rank: 14/96 for my AG (18-24)

Considering that's only my 2nd triathlon, and i'm a very hardworker, i'm very excited for my athletic future.


Congrats man! Swimming's a pain in the ass to all of my friends who do tri's regularly lol. I had surgery on my shoulder a while back and still can't swim at a semi-competitive level worth a damn or I'd be there with them.

So I actually had a question. I took a big ego hit today, after moving away from Philly today was my first tempo run out in the sticks and my run was hilly as FUCK. I ended up with a 7:26 pace which is almost 40s off my intended pace. Despite working hills in every week or so I can't help but feel out of shape by getting raped my mother nature.

Obviously I'm going to get a fair amount stronger just by running out here but my question is this. Do I eat the time gap, assume that ~7:20 is my new tempo and work from there, or do I just go to a track and keep honing down my time? I'm assuming races out here will be on the hilly side so it wouldn't hurt, but nothing's farther than a 13.1 in the area, mostly 5k.

I think because I'd like to run the Philly marathon again this year I'm tempted to bike over to a track for my tempos 1 day a week because the course is very flat comparatively. Maybe I could use my route today for a hill workout. Do you think the hills will be beneficial enough to me to include them into the rest of my workouts?
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 21:45:59
July 24 2013 21:45 GMT
#2132
So I actually had a question. I took a big ego hit today, after moving away from Philly today was my first tempo run out in the sticks and my run was hilly as FUCK. I ended up with a 7:26 pace which is almost 40s off my intended pace. Despite working hills in every week or so I can't help but feel out of shape by getting raped my mother nature.

Obviously I'm going to get a fair amount stronger just by running out here but my question is this. Do I eat the time gap, assume that ~7:20 is my new tempo and work from there, or do I just go to a track and keep honing down my time? I'm assuming races out here will be on the hilly side so it wouldn't hurt, but nothing's farther than a 13.1 in the area, mostly 5k.


You can do a mixture of both. Tempo's are absolutely an effort/feel thing though. You should never be running a tempo, notice you are 10s "off" pace and say to yourself "I need to pick it up". If you are just way off of normal for a particular route there would be nothing wrong with calling it a day and just running easy the rest of it, saving the tempo for a different day.

In your case, it's a very hilly route, so losing at least 20+ seconds is not uncommon. As long as you were at that tempo feel, life is good. Doing some tempo type runs on the hills is good, and then doing some on flats/track is also nice because you can groove that feeling of running fast at a cruising sort of effort and get a little more turnover going.
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Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
July 24 2013 22:22 GMT
#2133
Nice moves, @YPang! I wish I could bike and swim like you.
Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
July 25 2013 10:54 GMT
#2134
I was wondering about running on the balls of your feet. When running, should I be running so that the back of my foot doesnt touch the ground (running on the balls of your feet), or should a running gait be similar to that of a walk, where you land on the back and roll forward to push off? Specifically looking at distance running rather than short distance, for context, recently started to run and making sure that I have my gait right as I build up distance and stamina. Are there some other things that I should look out for with body positioning to not cause injury and develop muscles in the correct way?
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
July 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#2135
No running gait has the a lack of the heel touching the ground, or if they are the gait is very out of whack as that is part of the natural stretch reflex and helps with energy efficiency of running due to elasticity of the tendons and muscle acting like a spring. Even sprinters, who are known for running "on their toes" still have a brief moment where the body of the foot is in contact with the track.

I think the biggest thing to look for in one's gait in that regard is just where the weight is when you land. It should be nicely under your bodies center of mass. Get that right and whether you are heel striking, midfoot, or forefoot striking doesn't seem to be that important..there have been great distance runners with all styles. Also, it worth noting it is a little speed dependent, as almost no sprinter will heel strike and the incidence of heel strikes decreases with speed.
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Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
July 26 2013 21:36 GMT
#2136
Went through 5k in 16:02 this morning. (A watch error may have made it 16 flat.) Was shooting for a 15:45, but I feel like this was within spitting distance of my goal. One and a half weeks of peak mileage left before I start to cut down a bit before the race.

In August I'm going to swap out morning runs for morning swims to get some cross-training in, take a bit of the load off my legs while maintaining some aerobic stimulation. My new mirrored swimming goggles have the rather hilarious model name of "Vanquisher 2.0."

I've never tapered for a 10k before, so if anyone has any experience doing so I'd appreciate any advice you care to offer.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
July 27 2013 15:10 GMT
#2137
On July 27 2013 06:36 Bonham wrote:
Went through 5k in 16:02 this morning. (A watch error may have made it 16 flat.) Was shooting for a 15:45, but I feel like this was within spitting distance of my goal. One and a half weeks of peak mileage left before I start to cut down a bit before the race.

In August I'm going to swap out morning runs for morning swims to get some cross-training in, take a bit of the load off my legs while maintaining some aerobic stimulation. My new mirrored swimming goggles have the rather hilarious model name of "Vanquisher 2.0."

I've never tapered for a 10k before, so if anyone has any experience doing so I'd appreciate any advice you care to offer.

From my knowledge , 1 week is more than enough, unlike you were overtrained weeks leading up the race. Decrease volume but maintain some intensity leading up to it. But that is pretty much the equation for all tapers, the longer the distance the longer the taper. Also everyone is different so u probably have to experiment!
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43210 Posts
July 27 2013 15:34 GMT
#2138
2.05 miles in 19:36 today over hilly terrain. Haven't run it in a few days due to pulling a muscle at the gym and injuring myself playing squash but I wanted to do it today. Wanted to stop a bunch of times but convinced myself not to with elaborate mind games of "there are three parts of this run left and I know I can do the last one, won't stop running on that bit so I really just have to run two of the last three parts because the third one is in the bank so really the second one is the last one so the one I'm doing right now is basically taking me to the last stretch".
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
July 28 2013 00:53 GMT
#2139
On July 27 2013 06:36 Bonham wrote:
Went through 5k in 16:02 this morning. (A watch error may have made it 16 flat.) Was shooting for a 15:45, but I feel like this was within spitting distance of my goal. One and a half weeks of peak mileage left before I start to cut down a bit before the race.

In August I'm going to swap out morning runs for morning swims to get some cross-training in, take a bit of the load off my legs while maintaining some aerobic stimulation. My new mirrored swimming goggles have the rather hilarious model name of "Vanquisher 2.0."

I've never tapered for a 10k before, so if anyone has any experience doing so I'd appreciate any advice you care to offer.


It depends how much stock you're putting into the race.

In my 10k experience it's easy to maintain high mileage weeks leading up to it and still feel good if you want to train though it. Even if you took one day or extra day off a couple days or so before the race then did a shorter easy run the day before you should feel fine.
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
July 28 2013 00:59 GMT
#2140
On July 28 2013 09:53 AirbladeOrange wrote:
It depends how much stock you're putting into the race.

In my 10k experience it's easy to maintain high mileage weeks leading up to it and still feel good if you want to train though it. Even if you took one day or extra day off a couple days or so before the race then did a shorter easy run the day before you should feel fine.


It's my goal race for the season, so I'm putting an awful lot of stock into it. Definitely not planning on training through it.

I'm clocking between 160-170km a week right now, and when I switch to swimming in the morning in August, that will go down to around 130-140km. Right now, I'm thinking of knocking that down to ~100km the week before the race, with maybe two days off interspersed and a light, easy run the day before. (Race day is Aug. 24, incidentally.)

Thoughts?
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