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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
On July 02 2013 01:41 eshlow wrote: Post your photographic proof please. All of us want to see it. Post your interventional studies please. All of us want to see it. Until you post any type of proof of your claims no one will believe anything you have to say. Like I said, post some proof or go away. Here : Photo of Rob Wolf with a gut Thats just one picture. I can post many more of him and other paleo authors with guts. Also, The China study is the evidence that I posted that proves that meat is no good. Also, there are hundreds if not thousands of studies that have been done showing that diets high in meat which is basically saturated fat & cholesterol are bad for you. This is why the AHA recommends a diet low in saturated fats & cholesterol. If you're going to eat any meats at least stick to just fish as fish has healthy fats and has the lowest amount of cholesterol and lowest amount of saturated (bad) fats. This is why a pesco vegetarian diet has been shown to reduce the risk of CVC by over 20% compared to those on a meat eating diet and it all comes down to the low amounts of saturated fat and total cholesterol in fish and it's high omega 3 count. Most vegans are deficient in Omega 3 and don't get their flax seed or walnuts in and when you do, your CVD risk drops lower than a fish vegetarian's risk. Eating meat in moderation (about once a week or every other week) also has been proven by the same study (search vegetarian vs meat diet and the article will show up on wikipedia) to lower the risk of CVD and other cancers by a large percentage as well. This also goes along with the data presented in The China Study. If you're going to eat meat at least eat a small amount and keep it strictly fish and don't eat it every day due to the mercury. More cholesterol + saturated fats + protein = higher chance of CVD. Ask any MD or Cardiologist or nutritionist. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
Not that I don't mind people posting more articles/studies on why "paleo" is awesome. Side note: Was running late after my workout this morning and needed to bring lunch. Grabbed the 2/3 of a package of bacon I cooked earlier this weekend. One of the best lunches ever. Edit: doh, the post previous to this. not that the one above does much more. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
Do you even know the difference between an observational study like the China study (and Campbell even fudged the wrong conclusions out of it) and an interventional study? | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
I don't have anything against the complete consumption fo meat I just have a problem primary with slaughter farms.....the bottom line is that they are as un moral as you know what. I still think that the vegetarian and fish based vegetarian based diets are the best. Research has shown that a diet that includes fish and is vegetarian based reduces the risk of CVD the most. All other animals besides fish have higher cholesterol values and less omega 3 a long with more saturated fat. Tuna has 0 saturated fat and only like 1% fat not to mention it has a good amount of Omega 3 not to mention it's as cheap as heck. Sure someone can point out that it has mercury (unless it's mercury free fish) but we're exposed to gas fumes and have mercury fillings and exposed to radiation rays all the time. I have not seen a single study showing that the consumption of any meat besides fish is beneficial. It even said on the label of tuna that it's heart health since it's low in saturated fat and has omega 3 and is low in cholesterol. Who should I believe in? The people on the internetz that say that saturated fat loaded bacon is good for you or the AHA??? Right now I'm trying to keep my diet down to only 5% fish the rest veggies, nuts, grains, legumes, & fruits as sometimes I still get a craving for fish due to my ancestry background where fish was abundant. So I try to keep it as close to The China Study as possible and what the research has shown along with what the AHA has shown & told us. | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
what happened to all the talk about not eating dead meat? | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
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SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
On July 02 2013 05:44 Keniji wrote: How on earth have you such high moral standards for slaughter farms but the way we fish nowadays is ok. What? I don't consider fish meat they are like insects to me. Slaughter farms are terrible at least fish are killed pretty soon after they are caught not to mention I only eat fish once a week anyways. On July 02 2013 05:39 ieatkids5 wrote: uhh... wat? what happened to all the talk about not eating dead meat? Fish is still dead meat but it has a very very low cholesterol value and no saturated fat and only 1% percent of your daily fat. I eat fish for it's Omega 3 fatty acids & B12. I could eat walnuts but I don't like the taste of them. Fish based vegetarian diets is the best diet to lower risk of CVD. I could never go back to any other meats besides fish. | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
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SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
On July 02 2013 05:54 ieatkids5 wrote: incredible. simply incredible. Not really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism "A 1999 meta-analysis of five studies comparing vegetarian and non-vegetarian mortality rates in Western countries found that in comparison with regular meat-eaters, mortality from ischemic heart disease was 34% lower in pescetarians, 34% lower in ovo-lacto vegetarians, 26% lower in vegans and 20% lower in occasional meat-eaters.[9]" So 34% lower risk of CVD vs those that eat bacon and other ground based meats. | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
i have no idea why you're eating fish. Fish is loaded with mercury and our oceans are going astray in huge part because of the large human consumption of mercury filled seafood. You get more omega 3 in a handful of walnuts than a whole Salmon.....you be the judge of whats better. Mercury filled Salmon with omega 3 or Raw Walnuts with no mercury that has even more omega 3? dead meat has very little nutritional value and is actually more harmful than you than anything. Cooked meat has been proven to cause cancer and is bad for you. natural plant based foods are much better for you it has been shown that those that consume less meat live longer [vegan] is morally, a better diet as well (I don't support the killing of animals). Honestly, I would rather eat vegetables that are sprayed with pesticides vs eating dead meat btw, pescetarianism is a type of paleo. | ||
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SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
On July 02 2013 06:14 ieatkids5 wrote: also, just for the lulz i have no idea why you're eating fish. btw, pescetarianism is a type of paleo. Paleo doesn't eat grains. pescetarianism does eat grains...... I agree that cooked meat is generally bad for you but I have been doing more research and the verdict seems to be that a fish based vegetarian diet is the best one for you even according to The China Study. I get cravings for fish anyways but not any other meat due to my ancestors eat a diet that as based primarily on potatoes, grains, & fish. I agree with ieatkids5 and the other poster that some of my older posts were filled with bullshit but that's because I was watching idiotic youtubers who were talking about how eating nothing but 30 bananas a day is good for you.....I'm still looking into diet but so far the fish based vegetarian diet seems to make the most sense to me. HA you're right, just looked it up and pescetarianism really is a type of paleo. Well I'm sorry for anyone that I pissed off in this thread I admit that I'm very ignorant on the subject of diet (but not completely ignorant) and I'm glad posters took the time out like the poster ieatkids5 to show where I'm wrong. Robb Wolf was talking in a youtube video about how a pecto vegetarian diet is fine and is paleo I'll stick with that and keep doing more research. | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On July 02 2013 05:54 ieatkids5 wrote: incredible. simply incredible. Seriously that 180 was just fucking funny haha. If anything it provided a good laugh for me. | ||
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Cynry
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On July 02 2013 06:36 zatic wrote: Seriously that 180 was just fucking funny haha. If anything it provided a good laugh for me. i was actually about to complain cause while it was fun 3 pages of that nonsense started to get annoying. but that turn around really made it worth it. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
Anyway, I think everyone could agree a plant/fish diet is really good for us. Carry on ... | ||
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
On July 02 2013 06:25 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Paleo doesn't eat grains. pescetarianism does eat grains...... I agree that cooked meat is generally bad for you but I have been doing more research and the verdict seems to be that a fish based vegetarian diet is the best one for you even according to The China Study. I get cravings for fish anyways but not any other meat due to my ancestors eat a diet that as based primarily on potatoes, grains, & fish. I agree with ieatkids5 and the other poster that some of my older posts were filled with bullshit but that's because I was watching idiotic youtubers who were talking about how eating nothing but 30 bananas a day is good for you.....I'm still looking into diet but so far the fish based vegetarian diet seems to make the most sense to me. HA you're right, just looked it up and pescetarianism really is a type of paleo. Well I'm sorry for anyone that I pissed off in this thread I admit that I'm very ignorant on the subject of diet (but not completely ignorant) and I'm glad posters took the time out like the poster ieatkids5 to show where I'm wrong. Robb Wolf was talking in a youtube video about how a pecto vegetarian diet is fine and is paleo I'll stick with that and keep doing more research. Holy shit. A breakthrough. This is amazing stuff. Please, before you use the china study as the rock you base vegetarianism on, you should at least read one (or many) of the criticisms on it: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ (from a former vegan) | ||
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