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steakbbq
United States15 Posts
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 23 2013 21:53 althaz wrote: You should probably hide these errors from the public... Logging (obviously it's bad to suppress errors without logging) plus global exception handling is like 5-10 minutes work to implement (I am a professional web dev and it wounds me when people don't do this). As an added bonus if you set it up to email support the error, whenever a user gets the error, your support team gets notified  .They were normally logged, they weren't at that time due to a mistake. Thank you though. Saw a Gold and Diamond ranked coach. No one should pay for coaching from someone of that level, they are doing something wrong which in turn would be taught to others, heck I wouldn't take any coaching advice from the majority of Masters players. Seems like its on the student to find a good coach rather than a service offering a selection of good coaches. Besides that thou it is a nice set of features you offer to people that want to coach. It looks great for a trusted and well known coach that can link you to his profile to help organize his/her coaching sessions but I'm just not sure it will be so good for the students that are browsing your page looking for a coach. We appreciate your feedback and this was something we put a lot of thought into. We decided that great coaches come in all shapes and sizes and just because you can play at a high level, doesn't necessarily mean you can teach at a high level. I would also like to point out that many coaches have started offering free lessons to start with, in order to build a reputation on Nerd Upgrades. Check Out https://nerdupgrades.com/ichigotowar/ http://nerdupgrades.com/Zackor/ http://nerdupgrades.com/mikemack/ for instance. We will also be implementing things like featured coaches, coach of the week and achievements that coaches can earn to order to show merit to potential students. In general I don't understand why these types of things exist. You should just get better from readying TL.net and other sites (THERE ARE NO OTHERS <3) and from the struggle. If you are in the struggle and don't understand how to get better, there are even parts of TL.net that explain how to get better. This actually has inspired me to do my part and write up something about how I got into Masters League from a crawl out of bronze. From learning and practice. You don't need coaches. Unless you are so lazy that you need a life coach to inspire you to get on TL.net and read about how to get better............ We respect your opinion and we definitely see and understand your side of the argument. However, the topic already heavily discussed in the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=401334. Please direct all further debate about the subject here guys | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
i would love to coach some free bw^^ (i am around C+) | ||
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 25 2013 00:46 sabas123 wrote: would be awesome if it also had bw i would love to coach some free bw^^ (i am around C+) I'll go ahead and add that today. Thanks! | ||
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Shin_Gouki
United States313 Posts
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 25 2013 04:12 Shin_Gouki wrote: woah, pretty cool website you have here. I'll have to keep a close eye on it to see if any reputable coaches decide to promote themselves on it^^ Many brilliant coaches have already started offering lessons! We hope that with our site some unknown but great teachers will grow into well known coaches. However, we're doing our best to let the pros know about us, but we are of humble beginnings - so we'll just continue to provide awesome stuff and they will take notice! | ||
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Silvang
Netherlands7 Posts
Very nice site and i think it can grow to something very useful. On to the features i'd like to see: - Coach finder : desperately needs a sorting feature! By rate/name/gmt/rating. The games column could potentially be gone(since you already choose your game from within the drop-down menu) with a game-specific column (for instance SC2 really needs a race column per coach, so you can immediately see what races they coach and also then sort it that way). -Maybe the GMT column transformed into zone column (EU/NA etc)? Just an idea for easier "reference". Nothing else comes to mind for the time being, i'll be sure to add if/when they do. Good luck with the site | ||
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WhiteBratt
Netherlands7 Posts
Gratz! First wanted to address somethings bit less related in this topic; concerning learning and teaching. I've started my studies in Psychology many years ago and concerning the topic of learning a lot can be said (and actually has been said  ). 1. The most important thing is that a learning experience is different for everyone and even the optimal way to learn stuff is different. (off-topic; do you see what the problem might be with public schooling as we know it ). So some people benefit the most from reading a lot, trial-and-error, some prefer to think ahead, some find role-models at megahigh level and some find role-models at more moderate levels etc etc. Either solution in itself or a combination of different aspects sums up the perfect learning experience for a certain individual (well, could be, more or less, related to personality types...) 2. It's off course dependent on your own personal goals/capabilities whether or not you need a higher or lower level coach or a certain coaching style. I myself had never ever played RTS before in my life and although I am a real big fan of starcraft2, I find my life to busy to practice a lot. So although offcourse I'd love to be a diamond or masters league I am also very much aware that this would require a shit load of practice for me. But at the same time I think my current level of playing could easily improved in about 1/2/3 hours with a coach even at the platinum level. I mean, since my goal isn't to surpass them but to get a similar level how could it really damage me ;-) and back to the topic at hand; I'd like to ask; have you found a reliable way of getting feedback? I mean the one danger I see that could ruin this perfect idea is what I like to call StarcraftFluffyness I am a huge fan of being nice and treating the rest of the world accordingly, but if you're gonna set-up a system where people have to leave feedback about their coach you will quite easily find yourself in situation where the student has gotten to like his coach and hence be much friendlier about his coaching then might be prudent. (or reversed, a perfectly okay coach getting a shitty review because of some personal dislikes) The way science handles this troublesome situation is to design questions which, as much as humanly possible, could be measured and reproduced. I really think you guys are on to something and I wish you luck! :D | ||
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Silvang
Netherlands7 Posts
I'd certainly be more than interested to check them out myself! | ||
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 25 2013 19:26 Silvang wrote: Hey there, Very nice site and i think it can grow to something very useful. On to the features i'd like to see: - Coach finder : desperately needs a sorting feature! By rate/name/gmt/rating. The games column could potentially be gone(since you already choose your game from within the drop-down menu) with a game-specific column (for instance SC2 really needs a race column per coach, so you can immediately see what races they coach and also then sort it that way). -Maybe the GMT column transformed into zone column (EU/NA etc)? Just an idea for easier "reference". Nothing else comes to mind for the time being, i'll be sure to add if/when they do. Good luck with the site Thank you guys very much for the feedback and criticisms. I've been working hard to improve the coach finder, and this will be done very soon. | ||
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 25 2013 21:41 WhiteBratt wrote: Wow nice! Great idea and platform :D Gratz! First wanted to address somethings bit less related in this topic; concerning learning and teaching. I've started my studies in Psychology many years ago and concerning the topic of learning a lot can be said (and actually has been said ). 1. The most important thing is that a learning experience is different for everyone and even the optimal way to learn stuff is different. (off-topic; do you see what the problem might be with public schooling as we know it ). So some people benefit the most from reading a lot, trial-and-error, some prefer to think ahead, some find role-models at megahigh level and some find role-models at more moderate levels etc etc. Either solution in itself or a combination of different aspects sums up the perfect learning experience for a certain individual (well, could be, more or less, related to personality types...) 2. It's off course dependent on your own personal goals/capabilities whether or not you need a higher or lower level coach or a certain coaching style. I myself had never ever played RTS before in my life and although I am a real big fan of starcraft2, I find my life to busy to practice a lot. So although offcourse I'd love to be a diamond or masters league I am also very much aware that this would require a shit load of practice for me. But at the same time I think my current level of playing could easily improved in about 1/2/3 hours with a coach even at the platinum level. I mean, since my goal isn't to surpass them but to get a similar level how could it really damage me ;-) and back to the topic at hand; I'd like to ask; have you found a reliable way of getting feedback? I mean the one danger I see that could ruin this perfect idea is what I like to call StarcraftFluffyness I am a huge fan of being nice and treating the rest of the world accordingly, but if you're gonna set-up a system where people have to leave feedback about their coach you will quite easily find yourself in situation where the student has gotten to like his coach and hence be much friendlier about his coaching then might be prudent. (or reversed, a perfectly okay coach getting a shitty review because of some personal dislikes) The way science handles this troublesome situation is to design questions which, as much as humanly possible, could be measured and reproduced. I really think you guys are on to something and I wish you luck! :D As of now, only students who have booked a lesson may submit a review. If a coach has a problem with a review, we will handle it the way eBay does with seller ratings. Both sides with have a chance to state their case - after that we will decide as a team how to best make both parties satisfied. Thank you for your feedback good sir. | ||
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rezzan
Sweden329 Posts
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:20 rezzan wrote: if you made this WAY before the new replay system , id probably use it. . Replays are great but they will never replace a good coach. | ||
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:34 NerdUpgrades wrote: Thank you guys very much for the feedback and criticisms. I've been working hard to improve the coach finder, and this will be done very soon. Coach finder is now updated for easier use. I know a lot of people in here were wanting improvements. Of course, more features will continue to be added. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
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Squallman
Sweden5 Posts
I know a Grandmaster Zerg can probably still teach the shit out of me, im a protoss player. But I think everyone feels the most comfortable being tought by their own race (Starcraft 2 race, nothing else!) | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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sCFade
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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NerdUpgrades
Canada41 Posts
On March 29 2013 10:49 Let it Raine wrote: Seems like its going to be hard for people to distinguish me from all the of the bad zergs. Promote your services! We encourage coaches to promote their profile page like they would promote their twitter page. | ||
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