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This is not a discussion topic on whether you think women should run separate tournaments. This is a thread for the NESL Iron Lady events.

If you would like to sign up or wish them well or offer aid and support, this is the place. If you want to complain about the work they've put in or their message, don't. This is your warning. - Jibba 16:18PM EST / 05:18 KST
Theo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States151 Posts
June 10 2011 01:05 GMT
#41
Cool, more girls interested in gaming(particularly sc) is always good. Don't be a hater and don't be a white knight!
Frog? No. HIPPO
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
June 10 2011 01:23 GMT
#42
On June 10 2011 05:29 krazymunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 05:19 cheetahlol wrote:
Is it just me, or am I the only one who doesn't understand the purpose of having a female gaming league?


so girls can play and compete? I think that would be like asking " why have bronze/silver/ lower league tournaments?".



How is that like asking "Why have bronze/silver/lower league tournaments". Are you saying women can't compete at the same level as men? im a little lost by what you're saying...
Kernalkraze
Profile Joined February 2011
United States20 Posts
June 10 2011 01:28 GMT
#43
I don't understand the notion of us "needing more girls in esports" or "its good for esports". What difference does it make, and more importantly how will it make that difference? Interesting people will always be fun to watch or listen to. As will people who can play the game at high levels.
Life is a funny proposition afterall
reptile
Profile Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
June 10 2011 01:34 GMT
#44
On June 10 2011 06:23 Regina wrote:
I think women esports should be compaired to golf, with the distance pentaly for man females are hitting the ball far enough (lets say a drive is +- 30 yards less for women). Their putting and and approaches should be onpar with the male competitors because that isnt all about power, but still the male competitors are putting wayyy better then the females. So i can totally understand the female competition instead of a mixed competition

Those limitations are due to physical strength.. There's no reason to divide females from competition. If you want to eliminate stereotypes and the whole gender roles attitude, females should be willing to compete at the same levels as males in e-sports. It's disappointing to see that these female only leagues are still coming about, I was really hoping this sort of attitude would disappear.
"When the game is over, the King and the Pawn go back in the same box."
GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
June 10 2011 01:35 GMT
#45
There are a lot of sports out there who aren't supportive of females playing in male teams, I'm not talking about SC2 of course.

I think this is a good start, since gals can play in their own gender based tournament, they can later on start to join the normal tournaments. I think what people don't understand(joking) is that most SC2 players are male. =P

When you start female tournaments word will get out and maybe even more gals will pick up the game. Which means more may start playing in the regular tournaments, there are a few gals who do compete in the regular tournaments already and others who are getting their skill level higher and also are getting used to tournaments.

Start small it'll branch out on it's own. gl hf.
He who conquers the past rules the future, He who conquers the future rules the past. - C&C Red Alert
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-10 01:53:42
June 10 2011 01:42 GMT
#46
On June 10 2011 10:35 GertHeart wrote:
There are a lot of sports out there who aren't supportive of females playing in male teams, I'm not talking about SC2 of course.

I think this is a good start, since gals can play in their own gender based tournament, they can later on start to join the normal tournaments. I think what people don't understand(joking) is that most SC2 players are male. =P

When you start female tournaments word will get out and maybe even more gals will pick up the game. Which means more may start playing in the regular tournaments, there are a few gals who do compete in the regular tournaments already and others who are getting their skill level higher and also are getting used to tournaments.

Start small it'll branch out on it's own. gl hf.


Just when I was starting to get worried that humanity has lost its sense. Thank for you for this post that of course will still fail to show everyone the entire point of this ESL section.

We are not here to state girls are better than guys or vice versa, we are launching this section to encourage for female gamers to take part in tournaments.

Female tournaments are way less intimidating than the mixed cups. This casual start will help them get their footing and then branch out to other mixed cups. So people please stop acting like the females who play in our organization will stick to only this organization forever.

We are bringing more people to the scene and doing it in a way where no matter what, a female will get the spotlight and the attention, something you will not see in mixed cups. The reason why that is important is because once again it encourages more females to play.

This could be related to a bronze/silver/plat/etc restriction for a few reasons. Number 1, sure theoretically a girl does not have less skill than a guy, but theoretically a bronze player doesn't lack the means of practicing and getting better. But to keep that bronze player motivated, its sometimes good to hold bronze cups so that the bronze players can feel some spot light as well. Its not about someone not being on the same level as someone else. Its about shining the light on more than just your standard top players.

So inconclusion stop pretending there is a lack of male/open cups where the best players are getting the spot light. Stop pretending the scene is so divided up that girls never encounter the guys. We are doing a good thing here people, not a bad thing.
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Kernalkraze
Profile Joined February 2011
United States20 Posts
June 10 2011 01:50 GMT
#47
So you loose faith in humanity when people question you?.. hmm.... I have no problem with the league was just wondering why people claim women are necessary for growth of esports. I think both sides of the argument get out of hand and have crazy ass posts. I do realize women are a huge demographic, but in this instance i doubt a bunch of women will watch SC 2 over american idol
Life is a funny proposition afterall
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
June 10 2011 01:51 GMT
#48
Hehe, don't get the wrong idea, I welcome the questions, but I already answered why we are doing this and the intention behind it, but yet people still keep getting it twisted.

Just a little frustrating thats all
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hubbathegrate
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden9 Posts
June 10 2011 01:55 GMT
#49
while I dont think it's bad that female only tournaments are started it cements something that for some reason has become a established fact. Girls can not competete on equal terms with guys, even when the competition is in a virtual world where our advantage in physical strength is irrelevant. From tossgirl to les seules there has never been a girl among the top of the top among gamers. It's might seem strange, but since the sample is huge (we have been gaming for almost 20 years now, competetive pvp gaming has been around since counterstrike.) the only conclusion is that men are better suited to gaming and female only leagues will probably be our only chance of seeing girls gaming in a professional envoirment
Kernalkraze
Profile Joined February 2011
United States20 Posts
June 10 2011 02:05 GMT
#50
It doesn't set any standards like that. If you had the option to play with people who you share very few similarities with and often annoy the shit out of you, while on the other hand people who are like minded to you it would be an easy choice. Would be the same reasons why women go out in groups and men go out in groups. And I am sure it will have some competitive mentality but i doubt as much. You will most likely never see a MLG woman champion, so let them have their fun it doesn't hurt anyone.
Life is a funny proposition afterall
Akasha
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States261 Posts
June 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#51
Signed up. Planned to get rocked :V
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Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
June 10 2011 02:45 GMT
#52
I think James Brown said it best:

This is a man's world
but it wouldn't be nothing
nothing without a woman or a girl.
Monte
Profile Joined April 2011
5 Posts
June 10 2011 03:21 GMT
#53
Aslong as they play from the kitchen I approve.

User was temp banned for this post.
NaviListen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
June 10 2011 03:22 GMT
#54
Oh god the discussion going on in this thread is hilarious. None of you have even come close to the reason why there aren't any prominent women in Starcraft professional gaming.

It's because we make up .002% of the SC2 community.

Out of the tens of thousands of gamers on Reddit and Teamliquid, our Facebook group Girls of SC2 is made up of merely 70-100 at best. That number might grow or might not grow in the near future yet even if it grew to 200 or 300 we aren't even .01% of the community. And even out of 100, only a fraction of us play competitively. Try to name as many female gamers that are competing as you can. I bet you could count us on your hands, you wouldn't even have to use your toes.

So enough with the "girls can't compete with guys on equal terms" nonsense. The girls that are in the community can compete. You can't expect there to instantly be a "Tossgirl" for SC2 just because it's 2011 and it's a completely new game. These tournaments geared toward women are to get more women involved. It's not separation based on skill like bronze/silver tournaments are. Support these events and us, or continue to sit there mindlessly bickering about how women can't play video games, ignoring the obvious truth in front of you.
Hey! Listen!
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
June 10 2011 03:45 GMT
#55
Navi has spoken
twitter.com/ThePharsideESL / ESL IEM NA Admin / WCS NA Qualifier Admin
Stacke
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada13 Posts
June 10 2011 03:52 GMT
#56
Yeah, I must say that Navi has it right on, the female population is too small to effectively support a base of progamers.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
June 10 2011 04:25 GMT
#57
Ive always wondered, why arent girls as good at gaming as guys? there are girls that play this game to be good, evident by the tournaments, but lets be honest, ive NEVER seen a top pro girl. Toss girl is prob the closest?

And its not like football where physical superiority is a huge factor, sc2 is all about thinking, strategy, and attention to detail. (the latter of which is even a trait that is more prominent in females)

Im not being sexist by any means, just curious
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chuigo
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia93 Posts
June 10 2011 04:40 GMT
#58
Way to press the segregation that already exists in the video gaming community. Majority of guys want e-vag, way to make a central place for all of them to get it.

User was warned for this post
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
June 10 2011 04:42 GMT
#59
I'm kinda ashamed of the fact that we still have these arguments every time a female tournament comes up. We've done this quite a few times already. Just let the ladies have fun and play SC2 in an environment where they won't get harassed for who they are. Why is that so hard to understand?

Anyway, GL HF Iron Ladies!
I deadlift for Aiur
DukeCanada
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada64 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-10 19:18:55
June 10 2011 04:57 GMT
#60
Cool, but what I dont get is why we dont see more girl gamers go pro!

Seriously, I want some female protoss wiping the floor with Idra next NASL season!

Edit: Ermm, just saw navi's post. Dont I feel dumb
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