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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 26 2015 23:51 GMT
#11941
On September 27 2015 06:29 Alaric wrote:
Since Wave asked for it.

+ Show Spoiler [BFZ pre-release] +
5 3-drops in the whole pool (a 1/1 Eldrazi creating a scion, a sorcery creating 2 scions, the mana fixer elf and the red eldrazi you can tap).
Loads of white removal (3x sorcery killing tapped stuff, instant killing 4+ strength stuff for 3W, 2x instant dealing 4 damage to attacking/blocking creature) and a couple landfall creatures.
Random red stuff. Creature with landfall to create hasted token that end up exiled, Bird of Akoum, couple landfall creatures and minotaur allies giving trample.
Mostly drawing (rest under deck) shit and low drop eldrazi with ingestion, and a couple counterspells for blue.
Green had a couple of the elves with converge, also the elves that can grow on landfall (didn't notice they get two markers and not one but that didn't play into that game's result), and a couple landfall creatures.
Bone splinters, and a nice combo (vampire that gets flying when I gain life, dude that makes me gain life and my opponent lose when my creatures die, vampire that makes my opponent lose life when I gain some) but I didn't have allies. Couple landfall + menace creaturers.
Got big eldrazi (the one that makes opponent exile permanent when it attacks, one that creates scions if I send exiled cards back to opponent's graveyard), also the artefact that exiles every creature with 5+ strength.

I'd have liked to combine BW but not enough creatures. Got some strong allies (the RW that search the top of the library for allies, the GW one that creates plant tokens, etc.) but not even 10 allies, and split over 10 colours.
So I went blue for library-exiling creatures (one has flying, another can't be blocked), green for scion-spawning and the mana fixing elf, white for removal, threw in a few creatures and the eldrazi.

40 people so 6 rounds, starting 3 PM.

Match 1: another newbie. He opened two Gideon but didn't have white apart from that, went black eldrazi. Put me on the backfoot because of the eldrazi that exiles the top of my library, and puts lands exiled this way onto his battlefield. He exiled two of my anti-big guys removal and took two lands (one of which let him search his library for another one).
He also sent my eldrazi back to my hand after I sacrificed scions for it. I ended up winning when I finally drew some lands.
Took super long to play, game 2 ended by a draw on time, I'd have won my following turn as I resolved my eldrazi right after I stabilised on 3 HP.

Match 2: crushed 2-0 by a RW allies who kills me in 5 turns both games, I have a load of blue cards in my hand but no island, despite searching the top 4, then 5 cards of my library (I only had 3-4 islands so I underestimated my needs anyway) in game 2 and I just look at him winning.
I ask for some help with my deck if he doesn't mind, and he points out my lack of early drops and how I don't have any curve to really hold until my bombs come out anyway. Tells me to move to red since I have several creatures and good cards (good synergy with landfall, and trample from the minotaurs can really help), while keeping white for all the removal.
I had 14 lands in the first deck, relying on scions, people point out the standard is 17. I get 18 and 2 colours instead of 3 in the new one.

Match 3: mulligan to 5 then mana screwed. Get decent draws and guy runs out of steam next (he's playing RW too, lot more red than me). Last game goes to topdeck and he draws two terrains while I get two creatures out so I win.

Match 4: utterly trashed by UB eldrazi/flyers, mulliganed to 5 and 6, mana screwed both games. Game 1 turns 3-4 his flying eldrazi exiles lands. Game 2 the one time it attacks it exiles a land too. We play another one and I have to mulligan to 5 and get trashed again. I have no answers for a bunch of flyers.

Match 5 : I mulligan to 5 because I get flooded then screwed (4 lands then 3), then I'm flooded in the game proper. Then I'm screwed for the longest time in game 2, I'm almost dead but because he's beating me down I get to hit his face too and my removal lets me catch up in the race. I topdeck Atoum Firebird for exact lethal but he held onto the 7: exile target creature instant from his starting hand and seals the game next turn.

Match 6: I mulligan to 5 then 6, mana screwed both games, I legit spent 4 turns in the second one drawing then telling him it's his turn.

I thought I'd spend the afternoon for this and it instead took the whole day (1:30 PM to 10:30 PM), the draft was poor with little interesting cards, I got two interesting commons (because they're white/black allies) in the reward packs, and a foil ally of Dywen from the origins one, I spent about half of the games (over half after I switch decks) not playing at all, I actually spent more times shuffling (to break these hands with 5 lands in a row, a creature, then a row) and drawing than actually playing in the last two matches.
9 games with the 18 lands deck, 4 mulligans to 5, 3 mulligans to 6, twice I kept the starting hand.

I'm still ill so my head's starting to ache now that I'm finally back home, I've done nothing for basically half the time I've spent awake (including that my packs had little interesting stuff for me), and it'll soon be time to go to bed.
I'm pretty disappointed and kinda bitter about all that, don't think I was salty though (not in a negative sense), I joked about my misfortunes and smiled with people rather than get grumpy, which is a win in a way for a rager like me, I guess?

Landfall didn't seem interesting at all but that's mostly because I didn't see it in play (play creature for 4 mana, play a 5th land to activate it once, I ended most games with 3-4 mana, and apart from 2 the ones I went over that it was flooding and I didn't have anything to play). Even then, it's just "you play a land" so it's not exactly deep or anything from what I can see.
Ingest is more interesting than I thought because of processors, and with the amount of cards that let you look at the top of your library, place stuff back there and the rest at the bottom, there are way to use it against your opponent I guess?
Allies is interesting but I could only watch people use them after my games were over.
Convergence I can't speak about, in a couple friendly matches I got trashed by it because people played cards on curve with the maximum colours of mana usable for the cards. Incentive to go tricolour I guess.

Oh honey.
14 lands? Really?
You should have been practicing sealed with the rest of us.
When you say you got flooded/screwed are you talking the first few turns or later on in the game once you're drawn out?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 27 2015 00:07 GMT
#11942
Cixah how did it feel to be literally twice the size of the bride

Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 27 2015 02:50 GMT
#11943
On September 27 2015 09:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cixah how did it feel to be literally twice the size of the bride



Its funny that you think she's the bride. Also she's my girlfriend douchenozzle.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 27 2015 02:56 GMT
#11944
On September 27 2015 11:50 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2015 09:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cixah how did it feel to be literally twice the size of the bride



Its funny that you think she's the bride. Also she's my girlfriend douchenozzle.

I am the stupids. You'd think I would know what a wedding dress is.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 27 2015 03:04 GMT
#11945
I feel like I've missed something.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 27 2015 03:36 GMT
#11946
BFZ Prerelease Blog Part 1 is now up for those interested.

I nearly had a heart attack because I clicked off the page after having typed that entire thing up but I managed to recover it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 27 2015 04:16 GMT
#11947
Decided to watch Her with my parents

This got so awkward so quickly. This was a very bad idea.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 27 2015 04:24 GMT
#11948
On September 27 2015 13:16 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Decided to watch Her with my parents

This got so awkward so quickly. This was a very bad idea.

Oh my I am so sorry.

There are some poor saps out there that took someone to see that movie on a first date. That is not a good first date movie.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 27 2015 04:57 GMT
#11949
On September 27 2015 13:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2015 13:16 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Decided to watch Her with my parents

This got so awkward so quickly. This was a very bad idea.

Oh my I am so sorry.

There are some poor saps out there that took someone to see that movie on a first date. That is not a good first date movie.

IT'S ABOUT A DISEMBODIED VOICE HOW DID THIS HAPPEN
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 27 2015 08:24 GMT
#11950
On September 27 2015 13:16 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Decided to watch Her with my parents

This got so awkward so quickly. This was a very bad idea.

As far as memes go, I'd say you're missing a little bit of couragewolf in there.
Nothing is awkward unless you make it so. Scip's life lesson.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 09:45:54
September 27 2015 09:40 GMT
#11951
On September 27 2015 08:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2015 06:29 Alaric wrote:
Since Wave asked for it.

+ Show Spoiler [BFZ pre-release] +
5 3-drops in the whole pool (a 1/1 Eldrazi creating a scion, a sorcery creating 2 scions, the mana fixer elf and the red eldrazi you can tap).
Loads of white removal (3x sorcery killing tapped stuff, instant killing 4+ strength stuff for 3W, 2x instant dealing 4 damage to attacking/blocking creature) and a couple landfall creatures.
Random red stuff. Creature with landfall to create hasted token that end up exiled, Bird of Akoum, couple landfall creatures and minotaur allies giving trample.
Mostly drawing (rest under deck) shit and low drop eldrazi with ingestion, and a couple counterspells for blue.
Green had a couple of the elves with converge, also the elves that can grow on landfall (didn't notice they get two markers and not one but that didn't play into that game's result), and a couple landfall creatures.
Bone splinters, and a nice combo (vampire that gets flying when I gain life, dude that makes me gain life and my opponent lose when my creatures die, vampire that makes my opponent lose life when I gain some) but I didn't have allies. Couple landfall + menace creaturers.
Got big eldrazi (the one that makes opponent exile permanent when it attacks, one that creates scions if I send exiled cards back to opponent's graveyard), also the artefact that exiles every creature with 5+ strength.

I'd have liked to combine BW but not enough creatures. Got some strong allies (the RW that search the top of the library for allies, the GW one that creates plant tokens, etc.) but not even 10 allies, and split over 10 colours.
So I went blue for library-exiling creatures (one has flying, another can't be blocked), green for scion-spawning and the mana fixing elf, white for removal, threw in a few creatures and the eldrazi.

40 people so 6 rounds, starting 3 PM.

Match 1: another newbie. He opened two Gideon but didn't have white apart from that, went black eldrazi. Put me on the backfoot because of the eldrazi that exiles the top of my library, and puts lands exiled this way onto his battlefield. He exiled two of my anti-big guys removal and took two lands (one of which let him search his library for another one).
He also sent my eldrazi back to my hand after I sacrificed scions for it. I ended up winning when I finally drew some lands.
Took super long to play, game 2 ended by a draw on time, I'd have won my following turn as I resolved my eldrazi right after I stabilised on 3 HP.

Match 2: crushed 2-0 by a RW allies who kills me in 5 turns both games, I have a load of blue cards in my hand but no island, despite searching the top 4, then 5 cards of my library (I only had 3-4 islands so I underestimated my needs anyway) in game 2 and I just look at him winning.
I ask for some help with my deck if he doesn't mind, and he points out my lack of early drops and how I don't have any curve to really hold until my bombs come out anyway. Tells me to move to red since I have several creatures and good cards (good synergy with landfall, and trample from the minotaurs can really help), while keeping white for all the removal.
I had 14 lands in the first deck, relying on scions, people point out the standard is 17. I get 18 and 2 colours instead of 3 in the new one.

Match 3: mulligan to 5 then mana screwed. Get decent draws and guy runs out of steam next (he's playing RW too, lot more red than me). Last game goes to topdeck and he draws two terrains while I get two creatures out so I win.

Match 4: utterly trashed by UB eldrazi/flyers, mulliganed to 5 and 6, mana screwed both games. Game 1 turns 3-4 his flying eldrazi exiles lands. Game 2 the one time it attacks it exiles a land too. We play another one and I have to mulligan to 5 and get trashed again. I have no answers for a bunch of flyers.

Match 5 : I mulligan to 5 because I get flooded then screwed (4 lands then 3), then I'm flooded in the game proper. Then I'm screwed for the longest time in game 2, I'm almost dead but because he's beating me down I get to hit his face too and my removal lets me catch up in the race. I topdeck Atoum Firebird for exact lethal but he held onto the 7: exile target creature instant from his starting hand and seals the game next turn.

Match 6: I mulligan to 5 then 6, mana screwed both games, I legit spent 4 turns in the second one drawing then telling him it's his turn.

I thought I'd spend the afternoon for this and it instead took the whole day (1:30 PM to 10:30 PM), the draft was poor with little interesting cards, I got two interesting commons (because they're white/black allies) in the reward packs, and a foil ally of Dywen from the origins one, I spent about half of the games (over half after I switch decks) not playing at all, I actually spent more times shuffling (to break these hands with 5 lands in a row, a creature, then a row) and drawing than actually playing in the last two matches.
9 games with the 18 lands deck, 4 mulligans to 5, 3 mulligans to 6, twice I kept the starting hand.

I'm still ill so my head's starting to ache now that I'm finally back home, I've done nothing for basically half the time I've spent awake (including that my packs had little interesting stuff for me), and it'll soon be time to go to bed.
I'm pretty disappointed and kinda bitter about all that, don't think I was salty though (not in a negative sense), I joked about my misfortunes and smiled with people rather than get grumpy, which is a win in a way for a rager like me, I guess?

Landfall didn't seem interesting at all but that's mostly because I didn't see it in play (play creature for 4 mana, play a 5th land to activate it once, I ended most games with 3-4 mana, and apart from 2 the ones I went over that it was flooding and I didn't have anything to play). Even then, it's just "you play a land" so it's not exactly deep or anything from what I can see.
Ingest is more interesting than I thought because of processors, and with the amount of cards that let you look at the top of your library, place stuff back there and the rest at the bottom, there are way to use it against your opponent I guess?
Allies is interesting but I could only watch people use them after my games were over.
Convergence I can't speak about, in a couple friendly matches I got trashed by it because people played cards on curve with the maximum colours of mana usable for the cards. Incentive to go tricolour I guess.

Oh honey.
14 lands? Really?
You should have been practicing sealed with the rest of us.
When you say you got flooded/screwed are you talking the first few turns or later on in the game once you're drawn out?

Interestingly enough, I had less mana issues in the 4 games I played with tri-colour 14 lands (didn't realise I only had 3 islands, mana death for my early drops/removal, welp) than in the 9 with 17 lands and bi-colour (mana death in one too).
It was a mix. Sometimes I mulligan to 5, get 2 lands (1 1-drop, 2 2-drop, 2-3drop, rest 4+), and die before I can draw a 4th.
Sometimes I'm flooded because I get 3 lands in my 6-mulligan then draw nothing but lands and/or removal I can't use (instant destroy creature with 4+ strength).

The 3B 4/3 which can regenerate for 1B is ridiculously strong, couldn't do anything about it if I didn't have a Sheer Drop ready to cast the turn after the guy attacks. Gideon's reproach won't kill it (just swing every turn before you play anything, not many 5+ thoughness creatures to survive it, and you've got mana available to regenerate), so I have to wait for him to have everything tapped before I act. Which means I take 4 damage (or lose a creature) every time.
Same deal Vile Aggregate, can't Gideon's reproach it, and it's super cheap for how sturdy it is. Even alone it forces me to keep a 2+ thoughness blocker up or he'll just swing every turn and I need a blocker to put it in kill range for Gideon's Reproach.

I didn't have enough removal for the little things (Sheer Drop is so expensive considering it requires you to let stuff swing at you (or sacrifice a blocker, which my draft wouldn't let me as I had so few creatures a 2-for-1 was grim), and Gideon's Reproach doesn't work on these popular two.
Add the total lack of little drops in my draft and even if I didn't get screwed over by the draws, I couldn't afford to cast both a creature and a removal so I'd get out-tempo'd.

Still, I didn't realise how bad BFZ's removal is until I noticed how conditional/restricted and expensive it is. Lithomancer's Focus or Tandem Tactics would have worked out much better for me (used Inspired Charge twice... as a defensive combat trick).
Serpentine Spike on the other hand is very strong if you can play it for value.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 10:57:03
September 27 2015 10:48 GMT
#11952
I found white/black removal to be amazing at my event. Stasis Snare,Demon's Grasp and Sheer Drop all did solid work. Sheer drop basically lets you do a massive swing turn if you cast it with awaken. 14 land seems pretty light for 3 colour, think I went with 18 or 17 and evolving wilds as a pseudo fix. I also mulliganed almost every game down to 6/5 but with Scry 1 rules it's not too bad. Sealed is pretty slow for the most part.

There's like hardly any burn in the set so found tanking some face damage early is rather meaningless. Even going super low feels fine. Think it only really hurt me one game. Just sounds like you over prioritized spells compared to having dudes on the board. My wise sages have instructed me that sealed is all about having dudes and bombs, removal isn't the highest priority but a nice supplement for the dudes.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 11:17:33
September 27 2015 11:14 GMT
#11953
I died by turn 5 in 4 games (two Bo3s), here's your "slow" format that lets me tank with my face. ;p
There were only one or two aggro in the top 6 though.
+ Show Spoiler +
I took so much removal because I didn't have creatures in the draft either way (or it was blue with the ingest eldrazi, 1/2 flyer, 1/4 unblockable one, and 1/1 that lets you draw and discard on death; and blue didn't have anything else apart from that, hence the "use it as early drops to exile cards to pump eldrazi later" of the initial deck, and scion-spawning green because I didn't have anything in any colour apart from the white removal to keep me alive until these bombs anyway).

The artefact exiling creatures with 5+ strength is useless since it doesn't have flash, so it won't affect allies, landfall creatures (the ones getting +2/+2 till EoT), nor the other aggro stuff that was thrown at me.

When I had 14 lands I had my promo dual G/W, 2 Fertile Thickets, and Seek the Wilds.
Played a Thicket followed by Seek the Wilds one game, looking at the top 9 cards of my library and only finding one plain as land (I wanted an island, again I didn't put enough of them (I slpashed green but chose lands as if I'd splashed blue so my fault anyway), when the draw's against you, there's not much you can do.
I had a Sylvan Scrying which I decided to use instead since it goes through the library (and shuffles it, in case I put cards I didn't need early but still want later at the bottom), but that's when my deck was remade.

(Oh, two of my rares were Sanctum of Ugin and Shrine of the Forsaken Gods, so way to waste rares too).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 27 2015 12:45 GMT
#11954
my bfz prelease sealed thing blog:
+ Show Spoiler +
ran into some minor complications on the way there, got there 10 min after starting time (was never a problem a couple years ago when i still played magic, cuz who plays magic amirite), no more room for players, couldn't play gg bois
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
September 27 2015 12:50 GMT
#11955
On September 27 2015 17:24 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2015 13:16 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Decided to watch Her with my parents

This got so awkward so quickly. This was a very bad idea.

As far as memes go, I'd say you're missing a little bit of couragewolf in there.
Nothing is awkward unless you make it so. Scip's life lesson.

In Scip's world, there is no awkward. There is only Scip.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 27 2015 13:18 GMT
#11956
On September 27 2015 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
my bfz prelease sealed thing blog:
+ Show Spoiler +
ran into some minor complications on the way there, got there 10 min after starting time (was never a problem a couple years ago when i still played magic, cuz who plays magic amirite), no more room for players, couldn't play gg bois

You can't go to one today?
Sucks dood.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 27 2015 13:47 GMT
#11957
ah well it's cheaper not to play hue
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 27 2015 13:50 GMT
#11958
And it doesn't take your whole day.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 13:54:54
September 27 2015 13:53 GMT
#11959
So, I spent 2 nights in the super rural countryside up by china in a town with no phone coverage, no electricity, no showers, no toilets, bed was just a plank of hard wood with a mosquito net etc. Had a really good time but that + the 18 hour bouncy train each way had me feeling all miserable when I got into the city today.

Then the place I'm staying here in Mandalay upgraded me to their suite on the top floor for free.

Sooooooooooo haaaaaaaaappy.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 27 2015 14:14 GMT
#11960
Day 1 of having a blood blister on my thumb: Wiping with my right hand is proving difficult.
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