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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2015 18:34 GMT
#6381
On August 06 2015 03:14 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:13 Eppa! wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2015 02:44 Cixah wrote:
I'm in TS for TI today, if you wana join me. Atleast until like 5ish.

Edit:

Look at what a littlebird gave me.
+ Show Spoiler [u jelly] +
[image loading]

J
E
L
L
Y


HOLY SHIT

Are you NDA or can stream?

Eeh doesn't mean he has it I have the icon too but can't play.



Everyone should have the icon now yea. Friday :3

Tease~
It's your boy Guzma!
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
August 05 2015 18:43 GMT
#6382
On August 06 2015 03:34 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:14 Cixah wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:13 Eppa! wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2015 02:44 Cixah wrote:
I'm in TS for TI today, if you wana join me. Atleast until like 5ish.

Edit:

Look at what a littlebird gave me.
+ Show Spoiler [u jelly] +
[image loading]

J
E
L
L
Y


HOLY SHIT

Are you NDA or can stream?

Eeh doesn't mean he has it I have the icon too but can't play.



Everyone should have the icon now yea. Friday :3

Tease~


It was good for me, was it good for you?
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
August 05 2015 18:54 GMT
#6383
On August 06 2015 03:43 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:34 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:14 Cixah wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:13 Eppa! wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2015 02:44 Cixah wrote:
I'm in TS for TI today, if you wana join me. Atleast until like 5ish.

Edit:

Look at what a littlebird gave me.
+ Show Spoiler [u jelly] +
[image loading]

J
E
L
L
Y


HOLY SHIT

Are you NDA or can stream?

Eeh doesn't mean he has it I have the icon too but can't play.



Everyone should have the icon now yea. Friday :3

Tease~


It was good for me, was it good for you?


You're a monster.

Death has not been kind to you.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:00:13
August 05 2015 18:59 GMT
#6384
On August 06 2015 03:34 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:14 Cixah wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:13 Eppa! wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2015 02:44 Cixah wrote:
I'm in TS for TI today, if you wana join me. Atleast until like 5ish.

Edit:

Look at what a littlebird gave me.
+ Show Spoiler [u jelly] +
[image loading]

J
E
L
L
Y


HOLY SHIT

Are you NDA or can stream?

Eeh doesn't mean he has it I have the icon too but can't play.



Everyone should have the icon now yea. Friday :3

Tease~

@chicha I think your post was racist and homophobic.


Reported.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:07:56
August 05 2015 19:06 GMT
#6385


So. If you play Aviana + Thaurissan on 10 (or 8 with Innervate/9 with Coin/etc), and she stays alive until your next turn... all minions are 0. All minions.

Welp. Time to be drood.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 05 2015 19:11 GMT
#6386
i dont think that's too practical, usually you'll need to be content with the emperor first, then aviana + 2 minions next turn dream

the aviana + emperor dream is not real - in situations where that works you've already won anyway
A backwards poet writes inverse.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:14:19
August 05 2015 19:13 GMT
#6387
On August 06 2015 04:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
i dont think that's too practical, usually you'll need to be content with the emperor first, then aviana + 2 minions next turn dream

the aviana + emperor dream is not real - in situations where that works you've already won anyway


Aviana + up to 6 minions, actually.

On August 06 2015 03:59 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:34 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:14 Cixah wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:13 Eppa! wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2015 02:44 Cixah wrote:
I'm in TS for TI today, if you wana join me. Atleast until like 5ish.

Edit:

Look at what a littlebird gave me.
+ Show Spoiler [u jelly] +
[image loading]

J
E
L
L
Y


HOLY SHIT

Are you NDA or can stream?

Eeh doesn't mean he has it I have the icon too but can't play.



Everyone should have the icon now yea. Friday :3

Tease~

@chicha I think your post was racist and homophobic.


Reported.


So I know you're joking, but actually...

warning longpost:
+ Show Spoiler +
jk
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2015 19:14 GMT
#6388
On August 06 2015 04:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
i dont think that's too practical, usually you'll need to be content with the emperor first, then aviana + 2 minions next turn dream

the aviana + emperor dream is not real - in situations where that works you've already won anyway

DON'T STEP ON MY DREAM

YOU'RE KILLING ME DANDEL

+ Show Spoiler +
Obviously it's not practical, but it's one of those things like running an army full of Divine Shield and then Blood Knight for the 21/21 dream. Just funny and would make an excellent Youtube clip of you running out like 7 huge Ramp Druid minions.
It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 05 2015 19:15 GMT
#6389
That doesn't make sense. It says they cost 1 so they should be forced to cost 1 based on how other costing mechanics work. I'm assuming they coded it specifically like it then or he's incorrect.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 05 2015 19:20 GMT
#6390
On August 06 2015 04:15 Numy wrote:
That doesn't make sense. It says they cost 1 so they should be forced to cost 1 based on how other costing mechanics work. I'm assuming they coded it specifically like it then or he's incorrect.


If they're 1 mana from Aviana, then Emperor procs at end of turn, they're 0 mana. This requires Aviana to live til next turn, or else they'd revert to original cost - 1 (I assume)
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 05 2015 19:28 GMT
#6391
On August 06 2015 04:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 04:15 Numy wrote:
That doesn't make sense. It says they cost 1 so they should be forced to cost 1 based on how other costing mechanics work. I'm assuming they coded it specifically like it then or he's incorrect.


If they're 1 mana from Aviana, then Emperor procs at end of turn, they're 0 mana. This requires Aviana to live til next turn, or else they'd revert to original cost - 1 (I assume)


The card text says "cost 1". So it changes the cost to 1 which is consistent with other effects that set a cost like Kirin Tor Mage(set to 0). However unlike Kirin tor which overrides any mana cost manipulation, Aviana allows cards to be reduced. Seems inconsistent. The text doesn't reflect what it does.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:31:53
August 05 2015 19:31 GMT
#6392
On August 06 2015 04:28 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 04:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 06 2015 04:15 Numy wrote:
That doesn't make sense. It says they cost 1 so they should be forced to cost 1 based on how other costing mechanics work. I'm assuming they coded it specifically like it then or he's incorrect.


If they're 1 mana from Aviana, then Emperor procs at end of turn, they're 0 mana. This requires Aviana to live til next turn, or else they'd revert to original cost - 1 (I assume)


The card text says "cost 1". So it changes the cost to 1 which is consistent with other effects that set a cost like Kirin Tor Mage(set to 0). However unlike Kirin tor which overrides any mana cost manipulation, Aviana allows cards to be reduced. Seems inconsistent. The text doesn't reflect what it does.


Scenario - You play Kirin Tor, but the previous turn, your opponent played Loatheb. Does your secret cost 0 or 5 mana? I don't actually know the answer.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:34:17
August 05 2015 19:34 GMT
#6393
It costs 0. Kirin overrides any mana cost manipulation effect. I checked to make sure beforeI said that since I thought it overrides but wasn't 100% sure. As I said it seems inconsistent with what the next says.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:42:17
August 05 2015 19:38 GMT
#6394
I mean, the assumption is that Aviana is played first, making minions cost 1, and then Emp effect comes in afterwards, reducing the cost by 1 = 0. It seems consistent to me, Emp applies on top of Aviana.

That seems comparable to my scenario then. Loatheb makes spells cost +5, but then Kirin Tor overrides and makes secret cost 0. I guess it's a reverse of sequence of events (increase/decrease then override vs override then increase/decrease), but I can't think of another comparable situation.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:44:55
August 05 2015 19:43 GMT
#6395
Isn't it more like "the one played last has priority"? A bit like an Inner Fire / Peacekeeper interaction.
And does it mean that if you somehow play Mech Druid or something silly like that, you drop Aviana, a Mechwarper, then you can empty your whole hand of mechs because they now cost 0?

I can see the "Aviana is played and her persistent effects sets costs to 1, then Emperor's effect activates at the end of the turn and applies the reduction on top of ongoing effect", though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:46:21
August 05 2015 19:45 GMT
#6396
I guess. My assumption from reading it was that 0 mana creatures will now cost 1 so Aviana was the final "mana manipulation" by setting it all to 1 regardless of what it cost before or after. Similarly if you have Aviana on board then attack with a minion into freezing trap it should still cost 1 when in hand. It doesn't seem to work like that based on the Emp situation so I have no idea what freezing trap will do. I assume it now costs 3 mana but that doesn't make sense to me somehow.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 05 2015 19:47 GMT
#6397
Hmmmm, I would think that Freezing would apply the mana addition if we go by my first in first out rule assumption, but honestly I'm not sure.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
August 05 2015 19:51 GMT
#6398
On August 06 2015 04:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Hmmmm, I would think that Freezing would apply the mana addition if we go by my first in first out rule assumption, but honestly I'm not sure.


MAN IF ONLY HEARTHSTONE HAD CONSISTANT RULES THAT COULD BE READ FROM A RULEBOOK AND COULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY ITS PLAYERS.


No seriously, why dont we have this.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
August 05 2015 19:53 GMT
#6399
I do agree with Numy that it seems inconsistent. Avianna's effect isn't a battlecry or a beginning/end of turn effect, meaning it's supposed to persistently set things to 1, and this ruling is defs an exception as cixah correctly makes fun of.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 19:55:46
August 05 2015 19:55 GMT
#6400
The problem is Blizzard goes to the same office parties that Riot does in that they think players have access to information is too scary so they oversimplify everything to the point where the information being conveyed isn't what is actually happening. There's an unofficial rulebook people work on, I don't know the link though. It's found some cool shit like how the graveyard works.
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