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Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
May 04 2017 20:19 GMT
#32961
On May 05 2017 03:09 mordek wrote:
I only tryhard in heroes. Just ask soniv.


But I thought all you wanted to play was the brawl D: . How tryhard can that be D:
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 04 2017 20:33 GMT
#32962
I need to play 5-10 with people.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 04 2017 23:51 GMT
#32963
On May 05 2017 03:27 mordek wrote:
I can't sell my heroes though

Weeeell...

+ Show Spoiler +
Draft was a half-disaster, mainly because I ended up UW instead of UR with only 2 people in Red and 6 people in White at the table.
Basically left neighbour opened Temmet, and myself a pack with no black, Bloodrage Brawler as the only R, and several decent W cards, so I picked the lone red and he moved into W. But I started going RW after that and he stayed in W then complained signals made no sense. I received no G/B at all past the first few picks, and U seemed plentiful but I wasn't too keen on UW when I had a couple R beaters, Trial of Solidarity and other pretty aggro cards.

R had less stuff and a ~p7 Labyrinth Guardian convinced me to try and pivot. When an Enigma Drake wheeled I thought my sit was supposed to be UR but over half my picks were Wx at that point and R looked like it was drying up a bit.
Then pack 2 sends me a fuckton of Green (including a cartouche in pick 3) and quite some R, but nothing exceptional (bunch of 2/1 trample that exert to become 3/3 notably) until a late magma spray. At that point I hesitated, but stayed the course. W was cut pretty hard as absolutely nothing wheeled.
Then pack 3 I open Trial of Zeal and Electrify amongst other cards, the Electrify wheels, and there's also a late Javelineer that I cut. U's still open and R is much better than in pack 1. Clearly I should have been UR but it's too late now, and I get a P3P2 Regal Caracal for my trouble.

Now, it turns out the guy 2 sits to my right is UW too, I have no idea what the fuck he picked because he still gave me decent cards.
I screwed up a bit and ended with a small zombie sub-theme, between 4-5 embalm creatures, 2 Binding Mummies, a Fan Bearer and a couple others, but I have no removal aside from a pacifism and wrappings, and I don't have many flyers. I passed 2 Aven Initiates in pack 3, including one I picked a Trial of Knowledge over. The Trial is obviously a better card, but I already had Hieroglyphs, a suboptimal curve and few flyers, so adding an Initiate would have improved my deck more than replacing Hieroglyphs with the Trial did. That was a pretty big mistake in hindsight.

+ Show Spoiler +
Match 1 vs Abzan rares basically the sit to my left is GW midrange (defensive bodies, 3+ cartouches and 7/7 as curve-toppers to take over the game), and this guy was next to the left, no idea how he ended up running that.
He was playing Never // Return, Dusk // Dawn, Prepare // Fight, 2x Final Reward, Splendid Agony, but mediocre creatures. Specifically, he couldn't deal very well with flyers once I made him use some removal, and we both drew a lot of lands while I had more gas in my opening hand so I pressured him and then it was a matter of dealing the final few points of damage. Game 2 started slowly and ended in a draw 'cause of board stall and him saving removal for the flyers.
Caracal got played turn 5 twice, hit by Final Reward on untapping twice.

Match 2 vs UR aggro-control I joked with him that I was getting karma'd as I'd get punished by his much better deck comprised of cards I passed him. That's literally what happened as game 1 was pretty much won on the back of Aven Initiates that I couldn't race with but couldn't block/remove either. I had a decent start but Trial of Solidarity was met with Electrify + Magma Spray in response (Magma Spray exiling Unwavering Initiate).
Game 2 I kept a land with 3 islands, then proceeded to draw W cards till turn 5 while my opponent more or less curved out.
Since we had ample time for a friendly after I got denied playing in game 2, we played one where I went a bit too deep on aggro after seeing him lack early creatures, I dropped him to 1 but needed to field one excess attacker or topdeck a removal. I topdecked Caracal and he topdecked the clone Vizier. Then next turn he Flings it on a creature of mine and embalms it copying Caracal again.

Match 3 vs BWg 2-drops and removal eg. Time to Reflect, Start // Finish, 2x Final Reward, Splendid Agony, maybe something else, and 8 or so zombies.
Game 1 he starts a bit slow and after playing through 3-4 removal I finally get a flyer to finish him. He whines all the while that his deck doesn't perform, that he never got to play Oketra's Monument to turn Bontu on (I milled the monument with Winds of Rebuke) and that his deck was durdling around without doing anything to win. But when I pointed out he removed a shitton of stuff he still replied that there was more. He's also the guy who won the launch party last week and trashed my shitty pool, so he'd seen Bontu and knew it's a garbage card to press offensively.
Game 2 he gets to draw almost all his removal, blows me out with Time to Reflect on my Caracal when I use Trial of Solidarity to punch with everything, then has a removal in hand for every single flyer I play. At that point I have 2 Binding Mummies in play and he's got 3 creatures (including a scorpion with cartouche of solidarity so I can't wear him down) so all I need is either a zombie or my own cartouche to bounce the Trial and punch again, but I keep bricking while he draws gas and find his splashed Decimator Beetle, which promptly kills my Spearmaster then my Binding Mummies. The game's obviously over but I play a couple turns to see if I can topdeck an out and all I find is Cartouche, once my board's no longer wide enough to kill him. He's still whining about his deck not doing anything when he methodically removed everything I played, including having exile effects in hand for all but one embalm creatures.
Game 3 I mull to 6, keep a 3-lander, scry a land bottom, and end the game with 4 spells and 8(9) lands. He got the nut draw with Fan-Bearer -> Wayward Servant -> more zombies (and only zombies) and In Oketra's Name to push damage and finally acts satisfied, as if that's what he should have had every game.


To sum it up:
- Caracal and that 2/2 flyer with an anthem while exerting died either the turn I played them, or the following one, despite appearing on curve every game I played them. Including when I chained them. You know this format where bombs shit on you 'cause they're dumb and removal is scarce? Na, each opponent had some in hand very single game.
- Over 8 games, I mulliganed 5 times. Every single opening hand in match 3 was a 1-lander.
- Temmet is opened twice but picked by people who don't end up there.
- I play a guy who keeps ranting when he doesn't get the nuts, while I'm sitting there bricking 5 turns in a row when he'd be dead on board otherwise so he can draw his removal and come back. Look, fuck you, while you settle for nothing but your perfect start I'd just like to be able to actually just play.
- I should have been UR... 'cept that fucking archetype doesn't do much if you're not showered with flyers or the great uncommons so how the fuck are you supposed to know you'll get rewarded for it unless you spend your first picks on situational cards you'd need to open to begin with?


TL;DR got to not-play and get on the wrong side of variance while salty people were ranting in front of me that their good decks were garbage, all while winning, then acting like it's the minimum they expect when they get their nut draw.
Not quite enjoyable, and nothing to sell back either from what we opened.
Oh, also WotC fucked up so damn hard with their new print runs. There are packs with a colour literally missing from it. Someone opened a pack with one colour missing and another that only had a single card in it. Reading signals is stupid as fuck.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 05 2017 00:11 GMT
#32964
On May 05 2017 08:51 Alaric wrote:
Oh, also WotC fucked up so damn hard with their new print runs. There are packs with a colour literally missing from it. Someone opened a pack with one colour missing and another that only had a single card in it. Reading signals is stupid as fuck.

That's not print runs being shitty that's people reading harder into signals than they should, lol.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 05 2017 00:15 GMT
#32965
I mean, how the hell am I supposed to know my neighbour's in U and the colour's not gonna be open when 5 out of the 10 remaining cards in a booster are blue? Because that happened with multiple boosters last week. That was partly the case with some boosters today too (5 green cards in one I got passed early pack 2), the ones were a colour was entirely missing were simply more egregious.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 05 2017 00:18 GMT
#32966
The answer is you don't look at just 1 pack for signals. Signals are meaningless in a single pack, you need to be looking at every pack you get and building an overall picture across the entire draft. The actual number of blue cards is meaningless compared to the actual quality of remaining blue cards and the quality of other colors in the pack. if you see 5 blue cards but they're all like 1.0-3.0 quality blue cards and there's a 3.5-quality black card, the black card is more meaningful.

Obviously this is fucked by the fact that most people suck at card evaluation early in a format so sometimes the 3.5 is just there because the guy passing to you sucks at evaluating cards--which is why you don't read too hard into signals unless there's a consistent pattern.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 05 2017 00:23 GMT
#32967
But if half the pack is of one colour, you can only expect 1-2 cards on average in each other colour, so even if there's a single person in that one in the 4-5 people to your side, as long as he takes the lone good card it'll look like that colour doesn't offer much.
And sure, if that was only one of the 8 packs passed around for P1, that's just be a statistic. But because there were a bunch of packs with the "outlier" configurations, it only added to the confusion. You know there's something wrong when you can get a pack with 4-5 cards of a colour and one entirely missing, then the situation reversed (sometimes with different colours even) in the very next pack.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 05 2017 00:40 GMT
#32968
If there's a significant number of packs like that around the entire table, then it's going to affect everyone equally, which means it balances out. Drafts where everyone has trainwreck drafts are just as "fair" as ones where everyone got into an open archetype and no one is stepping on anyone's toes.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 05 2017 00:48 GMT
#32969
I wasn't criticising that on the power-level front, though, but rather that he confuses people for little to no gain and can make the drafts harder to navigate and frustrating.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 00:57:35
May 05 2017 00:57 GMT
#32970
lets play heroes
how do i get my free shit
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 05 2017 02:12 GMT
#32971
FYI there's Heroes inhouses happening right now. Probably going to need one or two to fill in for people as they drop off.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 05 2017 09:45 GMT
#32972
Why can't you guys play a more euro friendly day
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 05 2017 11:41 GMT
#32973
On May 05 2017 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Why can't you guys play a more euro friendly day


It was a...


Perfect Storm


Opportunity. I woke up when they had 4, and then 5 turned into 8, and 8 turned into 10 + a wave baby.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 05 2017 12:23 GMT
#32974
Somehow the stars aligned. Cherish these times when they come. Also it was fun, you guys are cool.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 05 2017 13:53 GMT
#32975
I will forever cherish the number of people I snatched from Jeff's cold fingers of death.

On May 05 2017 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Why can't you guys play a more euro friendly day


Why can't you live in a more US friendly time zone?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 05 2017 14:01 GMT
#32976
I only got in for one game last night but of course Cixah played the most cancer hero available.

Samuro was a mistake.
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 14:17:31
May 05 2017 14:16 GMT
#32977
Req, make sure you get discord, we missed you in voice chat I guess we could've created a blizzard channel...

The fix for me was to not pick a warrior I hadn't played in a year. That last game went much better
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 05 2017 15:16 GMT
#32978
On May 05 2017 23:01 Requizen wrote:
I only got in for one game last night but of course Cixah played the most cancer hero available.

Samuro was a mistake.


Samuro is fine, Gengi is the new cancer.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 05 2017 15:22 GMT
#32979
On May 06 2017 00:16 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 23:01 Requizen wrote:
I only got in for one game last night but of course Cixah played the most cancer hero available.

Samuro was a mistake.


Samuro is fine, Gengi is the new cancer.

"Super Cancer is ok because not as bad as Mega Cancer" - 6ah 2017
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 05 2017 16:49 GMT
#32980
On May 05 2017 20:41 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Why can't you guys play a more euro friendly day


It was a...


Perfect Storm


Opportunity. I woke up when they had 4, and then 5 turned into 8, and 8 turned into 10 + a wave baby.

For the second night in a row now he's woken up right as I've stopped playing. Not two minutes earlier. He's pretty considerate apparently.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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