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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On May 01 2015 16:15 Gahlo wrote: The fact that you want people to talk you out of doing something means your shouldn't do it. BUT I WANT IT. I feel like a five year old. I'll wait, I still have to eat this week. + Show Spoiler + Still didn't stop me from buying to level 50..... | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 01 2015 14:01 ComaDose wrote: i mean if ur in euro the rest of euro is a train ride away. i really wanna do a euro trip one day its like all of europe is the same size as canada? Depends where in Europe anyway. From about anywhere to anywhere in Belgium? Pay 50€, get 10 one-way tickets. Rennes-Paris? Easily 40€ one-way, for more or less the same distance. Also relevant to war discussion. | ||
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
$15m stretch goal o.O | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On May 01 2015 13:23 Ketara wrote: Well, 1100 to Seoul is a good price compared to most plane flights. 20 for a good pc game is extremely expensive considering how easy it is to get quality games through steam sales, humble bundles, free to play games, piracy, etc. Also, I put a lot of personal value on travel. I'd much rather spend 2 grand on a trip to Korea than on a new computer or a car or whatever silly things you guys buy. Red is correct in that I wouldn't want to go by myself. I've also scheduled all but 2-3 days of vacation this year (However, I could possibly see myself leaving my current job for another around the time of the wedding so maybe just maybe if things line up it would push me towards going). The kiddo is probably still free but actually might not be if it's international? We'd probably leave her with the grandparents anyways. You add in hotel expenses for a long weekend and it's just going to be too much. I have trouble accepting 3-4 days of experience worth $3,000. Now if for whatever reason I was able to go for a few weeks now I can justify spending that much on flights. In other news I've successfully cut 5lb in preparation for tough mudder in a week, which basically just means I'm back where I started at the beginning of this year. Bulking will resume after the tri, maybe. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 01 2015 11:31 Lord Tolkien wrote: Oh god, that Daily Show interview gave me cancer. He's doing that Bill O'Reilly/Maher pundit thing. Where they have an opinion and tries vocally to push it in an "hardball" interview to support his own worldview, and because he has a fervently loyal audience/viewer base that supports it, isn't gonna get called out on it (that and it can be dismissed as comedy). Eyeuh. This is why the only actually good US news channel is Al Jazeera America, despite the tinges of anti-Israel bias in some of their investigative pieces (which are still generally sound).I'm totally not just saying this because I've seen one of my old profs on Inside Story. I think that's actually an unfair read of the interview It's important to understand who Judith Miller is. She was at the forefront of the "Saddam is developing weapons of mass destruction" story in the lead up to the Iraq war. When it became clear after-the-fact that the Bush administration had been misleading the American public she received a lot of criticism for articles she wrote or co-authored such as this New York Times article. Her journalistic reputation suffered greatly as a result, and this book tour is attempting to restore that reputation. Which is why Stewart's questions were on point. They were all aimed at attempting to understand and draw out Miller's views on her own responsibility and culpability, and her thoughts on her journalistic conduct in that time. It ends up being pushy because Miller, both in her book and in the interview itself, deflects blame away from herself wherever and whenever possible instead of demonstrating introspective thought on the subject. If it helps, think of Miller as a bronze player complaining that she can't get out of ELO hell. The mentality is the same. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On May 01 2015 21:03 mordek wrote: In other news I've successfully cut 5lb in preparation for tough mudder in a week, which basically just means I'm back where I started at the beginning of this year. Bulking will resume after the tri, maybe. im sure you are more ripped than last time you weighed that much. I also cut 5 lbs this month! but aparently i was lying last time i said how much i weighed and would like to cut at least another 15. chicken salad for dayyyzzzzz but my knees are really sore from all the running/skipping i have been doing. i guess i need to bike while i let them heal? rowing is fun too but i feel it like 90% in my upper body does this mean im doing it wrong? at least i look nice while i flex and suck it in now  forgot how much i missed a good pump | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Hope your days are as good as mine | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 01 2015 23:53 Requizen wrote: Not only is Avengers today but also Friday and see Otter day! Hope your days are as good as mine Sometimes I hate you. Sometimes you just make me sad. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On May 02 2015 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Sea otter day? Thank you for this. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23466 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On May 01 2015 22:37 Seuss wrote: I think that's actually an unfair read of the interview It's important to understand who Judith Miller is. She was at the forefront of the "Saddam is developing weapons of mass destruction" story in the lead up to the Iraq war. When it became clear after-the-fact that the Bush administration had been misleading the American public she received a lot of criticism for articles she wrote or co-authored such as this New York Times article. Her journalistic reputation suffered greatly as a result, and this book tour is attempting to restore that reputation. Which is why Stewart's questions were on point. They were all aimed at attempting to understand and draw out Miller's views on her own responsibility and culpability, and her thoughts on her journalistic conduct in that time. It ends up being pushy because Miller, both in her book and in the interview itself, deflects blame away from herself wherever and whenever possible instead of demonstrating introspective thought on the subject. I am well aware of her reputation, and about the book tour (which is unlikely to do much for her career except make her some royalties at this stage). Nonetheless, Stewart is attempting to push the narrative that the Bush administration manufactured the war, and that Judith Miller was either an active accomplice or an unknowing dupe, and fed information by the administration to garner support for the war. While she is was an accomplice to war, this is necessarily a jaded and partisan view (one popular among the Daily Show audience, mind; anti-Bush sentiment is pretty strong amongst younger Americans, and only somewhat unwarranted), given the conclusions reached by numerous Congressional inquiries into the intelligence failures that lead to Iraq. There was no overt influence by the administration, and it's more that they used the intelligence to confirm their own policy and push for a (popular, even in 2001 based on the polls) war. Hindsight is 20/20, as are the conclusion of issues like Iran (1953), or the Vietnam War, but at the time, the US intelligence community had largely agreed on what we know now was deeply flawed information, for a variety of reasons (overall groupthink and wishful thinking, an overzealous response to 9/11, etc), of which direct pressure from the White House to produce doctored intelligence was not one of them. While statements made by top officials, and the interest in Iraq, may have had an indirect influence on analysts, there is nothing to say Judith Miller was fed information by the Bush administration, as Stewart was trying to push through the entire interview, when her sources within the intelligence community were most likely long-standing ones: predating the administration, and were likely genuine in their (erroneous) tips. As a journalist, she is entirely culpable for what she publishes; however, to lay the blame for this particular fubar at her feet is somewhat misplaced (though her behavior afterwards during the Iraq War, as she tried to confirm the existence of WMDs to save her own career, was not), when the failure was so systemic. The media, intelligence community, the political system, and indeed the American people, all share responsibility. As always, never attribute to malice what can be attributed to human stupidity. On May 02 2015 01:44 Slayer91 wrote: LOL some guys in ireland got in trouble on a stag(bachelor) party in prague for putting on hitler masks and parading around a jewish area or something hahaha this sounds like something you and scip would do | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Iirc that was part of the reason invoked by France not to take part in the war: "it doesn't feel like the right decision in this context" and "the evidence isn't conclusive, we wouldn't go at war for something that seems so dubious" (in a kinder way). | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On May 02 2015 04:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: utz chips are delicious Their Red Hots are my favorite, non-kettle/non-ripple chips, and their Sour Cream and Onion is my favorite of all Sour Cream and Onion. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On May 02 2015 04:58 Alaric wrote: I'm curious as to how it looked like in the US now. From here in France (and I assume more of Europe) there clearly was skepticism toward the "proofs", and people in general (and the media, and the government first of all) weren't convinced by the "evidence" at all. Iirc that was part of the reason invoked by France not to take part in the war: "it doesn't feel like the right decision in this context" and "the evidence isn't conclusive, we wouldn't go at war for something that seems so dubious" (in a kinder way). The US was 1-2 years out from 9/11; that was a defining event, as it pushed for a zealous national security response at all levels of US society. In the intelligence community in particular, it gave way to an aggressive search for anything remotely threatening to the US, and for analysts to make bold, assertive statements regarding terrorist activity. These implicit biases would essentially allow for the US intelligence community to agree upon conclusions based on insufficient evidence, as Iraq would highlight. Judith Miller made an interesting point in the interview: the US (and UK) continued to harbor doubts that Saddam had disarmed even in the 90s, and pre-9/11, but the level of tolerance for risk dropped dramatically after 9/11 in the US. This is an accurate observation, even it it's not a full summation, including the Bush administration's own vested interest in containing Iraq, among other such detail. | ||
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