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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
April 17 2015 18:24 GMT
#96021
Pretty much just old people can cause many complaints for most everyone. Remember when people respected their elders? Fuck that shit.
Hey! How you doin'?
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 17 2015 18:28 GMT
#96022
On April 18 2015 03:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2015 03:11 Frudgey wrote:
On April 18 2015 01:45 Requizen wrote:
Supes V Batman trailer leaked. I dunno man, DC is gonna need to really wow me with this one. Trailer was ok but nothing special imo.

I think what the problem is for me is that it's going to be a tough act to follow. Nolan Trilogy is absolutely amazing.

Dark Knight is 100% my favourite movie no questions asked. Nothing else even comes close.

I'm not saying that it's going to be instantly awful, but I have some pretty high standards as far as Batman movies go.

I dunno, that 3rd one in the trilogy was really terrible.
I personally preferred the first one over the second, origin story plots are always the best. 2nd one only gets a lot of praise due to acting, but overall the first was better.

I know my brother likes the first one more the second one, and I know that some people don't like the third movie at all. That's fine and I respect that.

For the Dark Knight though, part of the reason why I love it so much is because it's such a well crafted film. Sure the acting is great but that's not the only thing that's great about it. If you actually take a careful look at the movie and analyze the film in detail, there is a LOT going on. This includes clever uses of symbolism, motifs, etc. Most of the dialogue is meaningful and there is a lot of foreshadowing in the film.

Not to mention the musical score is absolutely mind blowingly amazing.

But this is just my opinion. I personally see the Dark Knight as a "smart" film but I'm sure many others disagree. I also see it less of an action movie and more of a serious crime drama, which I think helps the rewatchability for me. I just find it to be an incredibly thought provoking film as well.

It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 18:31:42
April 17 2015 18:31 GMT
#96023
Catte:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 18:36:05
April 17 2015 18:31 GMT
#96024
Frudgey you need to go watch some serious crime drama like The Sopranos or The Wire. Hell even Boardwalk Empire. The Dark Knight kind of just borrowed plot ideas from Nolan's other movies and executed it in a more grand comic book way. Think you overselling it by a lot calling it "thought provoking". It's a great film(I loved it) but when you call something "thought provoking" that puts a certain expectation for the film which it just doesn't meet.

The music score is also classic Zimmer so while I find it good it's hard to call amazing as it's something we've heard before countless times. Still think Gladiator and The Rock are his best scores that I've watched.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 17 2015 18:37 GMT
#96025


Yoooooo
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 18:40:47
April 17 2015 18:38 GMT
#96026
Guys, I'm close to thee end of TLoU. Should I save it for while I'm not at work? Can you give me a spoiler-freeish cue to stop watching? It'll probably be obvious but maybe a good break point where I only have 15 or so min left?
+ Show Spoiler +
Ellie just killed psycho town leader and we're back to Joel coming into town.


I also ask because day9's playthrough speed/consistency makes it difficult to tell how close I actually am to the end.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 17 2015 18:38 GMT
#96027
The second and first were great films, but they weren't great Batmans.
liftlift > tsm
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
April 17 2015 18:39 GMT
#96028
On April 18 2015 03:31 Numy wrote:
Frudgey you need to go watch some serious crime drama like The Sopranos or The Wire. Hell even Boardwalk Empire. The Dark Knight kind of just borrowed plot ideas from Nolan's other movies and executed it in a more grand comic book way. Think you overselling it by a lot calling it "thought provoking". It's a great film(I loved it) but when you call something "thought provoking" that puts a certain expectation for the film which it just doesn't meet.

The music score is also classic Zimmer so while I find it good it's hard to call amazing as it's something we've heard before countless times. Still think Gladiator and The Rock are his best scores that I've watched.


Dark Knight was really good for a cape movie though. There are few contenders. The only ones I could call maybe equal are X2, Watchmen and a little behind would be the likes of GotG.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 17 2015 18:39 GMT
#96029
On April 18 2015 03:31 Numy wrote:
Frudgey you need to go watch some serious crime drama like The Sopranos or The Wire. Hell even Boardwalk Empire. The Dark Knight kind of just borrowed plot ideas from Nolan's other movies and executed it in a more grand comic book way. Think you overselling it by a lot calling it "thought provoking". It's a great film(I loved it) but when you call something "thought provoking" that puts a certain expectation for the film which it just doesn't meet.

I know I'm in the minority on this one, but when I said "thought provoking" I did actually mean "thought provoking". I think there's quite a bit of Philosophy in the film in the film that isn't obvious at first.

Of course that being said, I haven't watched any (actual) serious crime dramas so I probably labelled it incorrectly. I am also willing to admit that I'm INCREDIBLY biased on my views of the Dark Knight, so I am oversellilng it for sure.

I still stand by my "thought provoking" statement though. Maybe not for anyone else (I really can't speak for anyone else), but watching that movie makes me think about things quite a bit. Maybe I'm thinking hard about essentially nothing, or maybe I'm just easily amused.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 17 2015 18:42 GMT
#96030
On April 18 2015 03:38 mordek wrote:
Guys, I'm close to thee end of TLoU. Should I save it for while I'm not at work? Can you give me a spoiler-freeish cue to stop watching? It'll probably be obvious but maybe a good break point where I only have 15 or so min left?
+ Show Spoiler +
Ellie just killed psycho town leader and we're back to Joel coming into town.


I also ask because day9's playthrough speed/consistency makes it difficult to tell how close I actually am to the end.

You're fairly close to the end but there's still a ways to go. I would recommend saving it though, the final chapter is... well it's something special.
It's your boy Guzma!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
April 17 2015 18:45 GMT
#96031
Calling The Dark Knight "thought provoking" is stretching it. It's "thought provoking" in the same way Inception is thought provoking - by Hollywood standards :|
TranslatorBaa!
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
April 17 2015 18:46 GMT
#96032
On April 18 2015 03:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calling The Dark Knight "thought provoking" is stretching it. It's "thought provoking" in the same way Inception is thought provoking - by Hollywood standards :|


Well that's exactly what Nolan is.

Ambitious and thought provoking for Hollywood standards.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 18:48:29
April 17 2015 18:47 GMT
#96033
Well "though provoking" can mean two different things depending on your audience in question. One is the "thought provoking" for people that can barely remain attentive if there isn't flashy explosions all the time. The second is for people that actually read/watch philosophical stories. Funnily enough this actually ties back to the Star Trek discussion we had yesterday(?). Where TNG/DS9/Original all have deep philosophical/social elements to them that aren't present in the current ST yet a person that falls into the first category may view those films as "thought provoking".

You just really need to explain your horizons with stories . The Dark Knight was fun. There were certain deeper commentary elements but those weren't really expanded upon or the main focus of the story so it's hard to really call it "thought provoking". It's a spectacle that dips its toe into the pond but doesn't really immerse itself in it. The OT audience most likely falls into the latter portion of people where we may even have a third subsection for people like Cheep.

I found Memento one of his better films in this regard. Pity it gets so overshadowed by his bigger more flashy movies.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 17 2015 18:49 GMT
#96034
Okay MAYBE "thought provoking" is stretching it, but I still do think there is some Philosophy in that movie for sure.

Or maybe I've just haven't been exposed to truly "thought provoking" films or maybe you guys have different standards than I do. I actually haven't seen a whole lot of films, so I'm willing to defer to your guys judgement!
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 17 2015 18:50 GMT
#96035
Lmao. Dark Knight was about as thought provoking as a kids coloring book. Yeah it was well shot, thought provoking it was not. Unless you're one of those people who thinks there's symbolism on everything.
liftlift > tsm
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 17 2015 18:52 GMT
#96036
So I hear Ex Machina is pretty good.....
Forever Young
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 18:55:54
April 17 2015 18:54 GMT
#96037
On April 18 2015 03:52 sung_moon wrote:
So I hear Ex Machina is pretty good.....


its getting really good reviews on rotton tomatoes but the guy who covers movies for grantland didn't like it.

i didn't like the dark knight that much. thought the plot was too convoluted and made no sense and didn't really like way it went. it was well made though.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
April 17 2015 18:58 GMT
#96038
The armchair elitism is real. I swear there's fedora tipping with every statement of how low brow something acceptable in the western world. We must bow to our asian overlords, m'fellas.
Hey! How you doin'?
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
April 17 2015 19:00 GMT
#96039
On April 18 2015 03:58 Zdrastochye wrote:
The armchair elitism is real. I swear there's fedora tipping with every statement of how low brow something acceptable in the western world. We must bow to our asian overlords, m'fellas.



? am, I missing something here?
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 19:02:26
April 17 2015 19:00 GMT
#96040
On April 18 2015 03:37 Requizen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwWLns7-xN8

Yoooooo


lol Playstation intro "actual ingame engine" yeah for a PC maybe.

Note they are going the "aggressive DLC" route with this thing so as far as I'm concerned this is a pass. At the very least not going to touch it till after release because you know, pre-ordering is a for bitches. Remember when dev's made complete games and then added onto it instead of pre-cutting content for you to buy later? I miss those days.


Also stop being hipsters calling the dark knight "though provoking if only for the mainstream" spiel. You sound like you're one step away from attending an independent film festival with a latte and a macbook.
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