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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 03 2015 14:06 GMT
#94061
On April 03 2015 22:56 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2015 13:55 RagequitBM wrote:
Stopped reading ASoIF halfway through the 3rd book because I was tired of the constant sex. Is the story really worth it to keep reading?

edit: and is the constant sex going to continue, or does it eventually tone down. I kinda cringe while reading them usually


lol how does this annoy you? are you reading the books out loud with your parents in the room or what
its really a tiny % of the actual word count I don't complain about all the boring food porn


I guess the sex in the books is kind of weird since they like 13 years old lol.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
April 03 2015 14:11 GMT
#94062
your parents?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 03 2015 14:18 GMT
#94063
It's more that most of the time it doesn't seem to serve a purpose in the story (not how I said "most", not "all"). The food porn is present too but I'm pretty sure food sells less than sex in stories so...
I started reading more or less at the same time as I started watching Boardwalk Empire, I kinda oversaturated on useless sex scenes put there with the marketing subtlety of an indie Japanese game I guess zzz.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
April 03 2015 14:20 GMT
#94064
description doesn't serve a purpose in the story but it's still expected
not everything is plot plot plot you know
it's about creating world
in grrms one its a pretty rowdy world
kinda like you know, the real one
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 14:26:04
April 03 2015 14:24 GMT
#94065
Different people like different things. If the sex bothers him then it bothers him. Don't really get why you trying to fight so hard when it's just what he thinks.

Some of the sex in AsoIaF do serve the plot in certain ways. Dany not getting mounted like a horse is part of her character development. Sure there may have been other ways to go about doing t hat but well Martin decided to do it this way. Rape is pretty common in dark fantasy as well although I'm not too sure if you can call AsoIaF that. Cook had it in the background which made a lot of sense to me at least. Crocker just wasn't that kind of man.

HBO is another beast. I think they just throw tits and sex randomly to keep people interesting sometimes. That whole exposition by Little Finger while having the two prostitutes finger each other was so in your face it's a little disgusting. Guess TV are so fucking afraid of being subtle.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 14:35:01
April 03 2015 14:25 GMT
#94066
In that case you can show it, allude to it, or mention it, without lengthy descriptions such as giving me 3 full pages of Daenerys' mariage and loss of virginity.
I mean I don't expect to read about every single word of a plot either (Varys couldn't exist if GRRM had to document stuff he does instead of stating "that happened" anyway), it's just regardless of my own lack of concision if I'm reading a published book I expect them to be better at it.

Croaker actually mentioned in the beginning of the first tome how that's not the kind of thing that's tolerated within the Black Company because the Captain likes to make things run smoothly and that just because people are mercenaries and do what it takes doesn't mean they can't be decent people while they're at it.
The fact that it's written in annals also means most deeds are recounted after the fact, so you only get a "after they got caught, X got raped by a couple men in the heat of the moment. They're getting punished for it and we're going to make sure it never happens again." and not a description of how they did it (I actually like the books less when a reliable narrator was involved, save for The Black Castle and The Silver Spike because it allows their settings and great atmosphere). Note that it works for most stuff, including negociations (so dialogue), battles, etc. + Show Spoiler +
Lady
's annals tend to be more descriptive but that's because she's less experimented in that trade plus she loves to paint herself in a good light.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 14:40:59
April 03 2015 14:28 GMT
#94067
GRRM isn't that great an author so obviously he could have written stuff better. I'm not really defending him so much as saying sex in stories can serve multiple purposes and be done well but there's nothing wrong with it bothering you. It's kind of funny that Abercrombie I feel does sex better than Martin by quite a bit even though those 2 are so close. Maybe he just learnt from Martins mistakes.

edit: I may be remembering wrong Alaric but I'm almost certain I remember after a big battle with the rebels he mentions it going on around him but specifically says it's kind of the "rookie" or new people that tend to get overzealous with it where as all the Black Company guys that have been there for most of their lives just don't really care for that sort of thing anymore. I can't remember him saying it's specifically punished. I loved the Lady book myself too. Seeing the difference in narration and knowing how she sees the world was cool. I don't think I've read the last 2(?) where it one of them changes narrator a few times.

Anyway GRRM likes setting up these "dark" or painful personal situations but doesn't really follow through with the personal aftermath. He's very much a grander scope kind of guy so it would have made sense for him to cut some of the lackluster personal stuff. Maybe he just got overconfident in his ability. idk. This also makes me mad that Erikson isn't as known or popular even though I think he does everything better than GRRM :<
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 03 2015 15:11 GMT
#94068
+ Show Spoiler [Black Company] +
In the later books, while Croaker is captain and they have 4 young prisoners for Khatovar, they try to escape at some point while Croaker (and Tobo, who'd already beaten then into submission earlier). Both men die, and the older of the girls gets raped, Croaker learns of it as he comes back. He's all but happy about that, and although he pardons the rapists (on the grounds of "heat of the moment" and the fact that during the escape attempt at least one sentry was killed) he also says that further misteps will be punished.
I don't remember it all that well, but while true that they actually don't get punished, it's not because he thinks it's "normal".

As for the start of the series, doesn't he say that other mercenaries do it but that the captain frowns upon it within the company?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 03 2015 15:33 GMT
#94069
considering making an Air Genasi Tempest Cleric as my next character - basically being Zeus incarnate
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 15:39:07
April 03 2015 15:35 GMT
#94070
Arg I honestly can't say. I'd have to go read the books again to see exactly. I do remember Croaker not liking it but I can't remember if it was a company wide policy or not. Are the last books as good as the first books? Might pick it up again after finishing S&W. I tried rereading Malazan but I couldn't will myself to reread Deadhouse, heart can't handle ;<

+ Show Spoiler [Alaric Black Company] +
The last book I read I think it was the Lady one where at the end they steal her child.There're 3 left after that right? It got confusing chronologically after that if iirc
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
April 03 2015 15:47 GMT
#94071
On March 31 2015 22:52 Eppa! wrote:
Its time to vote here are the songs

+ Show Spoiler +




Poll: Moonbear song bet song

Not a Sinner Not a Saint (8)
 
38%

Roxie (7)
 
33%

I Will Always Love You (6)
 
29%

21 total votes

Your vote: Moonbear song bet song

(Vote): Not a Sinner Not a Saint
(Vote): Roxie
(Vote): I Will Always Love You


Haven't caught up yet, but Roxie, with "Moonbear" instead of Roxie ofc.
Or he could do the advanced version of Fly me to the moon - Fly me to the moonbear!
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 03 2015 16:06 GMT
#94072
For the record, I would have made Moonbear sing this:

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 03 2015 16:16 GMT
#94073
There are 4, not all good (the next annalist tends to lose himself in contemplations) but plot-wise there's nice stuff mentioned, and Cook develops some of his themes.
He starts going crazy on the political intrigues too.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 16:26:17
April 03 2015 16:23 GMT
#94074
Hmm not sure if I'll enjoy him going into political intrigue. I rather liked how Lady's struggles more than what was going on around her. Maybe I'm just a sucker for cold women . Neo-senpai would ridicule me at this point. Thankfully he doesn't visit here frequently.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
April 03 2015 16:51 GMT
#94075
pls ketara, if you want to torture boonmear, make him sing this

"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 03 2015 16:52 GMT
#94076
I sort of wanted boonmear to sing an abba song
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 03 2015 18:07 GMT
#94077
oh, you shitters probably aren't working today, huh
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
April 03 2015 18:09 GMT
#94078
Currently at the hospital. Girl friend's best friend's mom tried to off herself by drinking antifreeze. This is the best move in day ever. Luckily I'm finished moving my stuff.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
April 03 2015 18:13 GMT
#94079
On April 04 2015 03:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
oh, you shitters probably aren't working today, huh

HAHAHAHA I wish..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
April 03 2015 18:14 GMT
#94080
On April 04 2015 03:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
oh, you shitters probably aren't working today, huh

Nope, you jelly?
Where is teutonica, I was hoping he'd be online on LoL by now tt
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
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