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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
Initially I wanted to say the Nintendo Entertainment System which followed after the video game crash, but I don't really know if that was revolutionary. I'd say that was more of a refinement, or an introduction of a new genre. I'd say more about that topic, but I don't know too much about the early days of video games so I'm going to stop myself before I make a bold claim which simply isn't true. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + You know, while we're discussing subjective things.  That being said, I really want to play the Metagame with Cheep and Numy now. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
Also, on the subject of revolutions... | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 02 2015 04:58 Frudgey wrote: I'm not entirely sure if there has been a revolution in the gaming industry. Wait, you're arguing that George Lucas REVOLUTIONIZED cinema with Star Wars, but you are at the same time wanting to argue that there has not been a revolution in the gaming industry ever? This is why I said earlier: this can't be a discussion(if you hold a view like this). | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:03 red_ wrote: Wait, you're arguing that George Lucas REVOLUTIONIZED cinema with Star Wars, but you are at the same time wanting to argue that there has not been a revolution in the gaming industry ever? This is why I said earlier: this can't be a discussion(if you hold a view like this). Who said he revolutionized cinema with Star Wars? I've been talking about ILM not Star Wars. Did Frudgey mention Star Wars? | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:03 red_ wrote: Wait, you're arguing that George Lucas REVOLUTIONIZED cinema with Star Wars, but you are at the same time wanting to argue that there has not been a revolution in the gaming industry ever? This is why I said earlier: this can't be a discussion(if you hold a view like this). I should probably clarify that I'm not sure that George Lucas revolutionized cinema. I don't know enough about the subject. If I said before that I think that George Lucas revolutionized cinema, then I apologize. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:33 Requizen wrote: Otter wants to apply to the company I work at. Different departments and probably even different floors, so there should be no issue there. I don't think it would be awkward, but is it? I don't really hear about couples that both join the same company separately that often, unlike couples that meet through work. Is it strange? Not really? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sRb6woV.jpg) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
oh my god is this going to become a thing??? cuz I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it went | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On April 02 2015 04:59 AsmodeusXI wrote: Star Trek (2009) is one of my favorite movies. + Show Spoiler + You know, while we're discussing subjective things. That being said, I really want to play the Metagame with Cheep and Numy now. Is that like culture Apples to Apples/CAH/etc.? o.O | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:05 Numy wrote: Who said he revolutionized cinema with Star Wars? I've been talking about ILM not Star Wars. Did Frudgey mention Star Wars? Ok, put ILM in place of Star Wars, the point is still ridiculous if it is indeed your stance. Frudgey has clarified that he doesn't ILM to have been revolutionary to movies either though(which I would also dispute), but it is a far more coherent stance. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: My god MoonBear lol... Is that like culture Apples to Apples/CAH/etc.? o.O Yep. So it has the potential to be genuinely interesting. I've heard a couple of my favorite podcasters play it and it's always interesting/humorous when you have to defend something dumb. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
On April 02 2015 04:40 Frudgey wrote: I see your point. Basically what I said is that "Oh Blizzard didn't create MOBAs they only gave the community the tools to do so", but then I go around and say "Oh Dune 2 was revolutionary" when you are saying that basically the same thing happened. I think what I wanted to get across was that when Dune 2 came out, it was essentially the first RTS. You have a team of people who created a game, which was the first RTS. Yes they paved the way for others, and in a sense they only gave others the tools to do so, while they didn't contribute anything themselves. However, I believe that they did contribute something to the RTS - namely, they created the first one! Where for Warcraft 3, Warcraft 3 was not a MOBA. Instead, people outside of the Warcraft 3 production team used their map editor to create the first MOBA. Granted, it wouldn't have been possible to for them to do so if Blizzard never made the map editor. In a way, Blizzard did help create the first MOBA. However, I maintain that they only gave the tools - the community created the first MOBA. Dune 2 didn't just give the tools - I also think that they created the first RTS. And at the time no one had seen anything like it! But compared to today's standards, yeah Dune 2 didn't age well! I don't know if my distinction makes sense, or even if I made my point clear. And I concede that my point is possibly contradictory, as I don't know if that distinction that I attempted to make is even significant enough. Hope I cleared up the point that I was trying to make though. zz probably RTS games were going to happen soon anyway with tech improving I don't think just making the first game in a genre is anywhere close to making a great game in a genre | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: My god MoonBear lol... Is that like culture Apples to Apples/CAH/etc.? o.O Looks baahwring | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:10 red_ wrote: Ok, put ILM in place of Star Wars, the point is still ridiculous if it is indeed your stance. Frudgey has clarified that he doesn't ILM to have been revolutionary to movies either though(which I would also dispute), but it is a far more coherent stance. Well yea it's silly to say there's been no gaming revolutions but I don't really see why you say ILM wasn't revolutionary to movies unless what you said means you dispute Frudgey's point? Even on the small scale without ILM there may never have been Pixar which falls in your earlier point surely. In fact looks like ILM "invented" CGI use. Idk how you can get more revolutionary than that. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I wonder what the Chinese said. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
That's why you play it while drinking. Makes CAH more fun. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:26 onlywonderboy wrote: That's why you play it while drinking. Makes CAH more fun. I've been playing a shitload of Avalon. It's great because when you're bad you can masquerade as "i'm a good guy i'm just drunk so my arguments aren't cohesive" | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:14 Numy wrote: Well yea it's silly to say there's been no gaming revolutions but I don't really see why you say ILM wasn't revolutionary to movies unless what you said means you dispute Frudgey's point? Even on the small scale without ILM there may never have been Pixar which falls in your earlier point surely. In fact looks like ILM "invented" CGI use. Idk how you can get more revolutionary than that. I was saying that I would dispute Frudgey on that, because ILM was revolutionary. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 02 2015 05:15 Ketara wrote: Yeah that was pretty great. I wonder what the Chinese said. Seconded. On April 02 2015 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: This x1000 thank you Alaric. I was literally just ranting to Caller about this at dinner last night lol. A detailed exposition would be exhausting, but the crux of it is that Star Wars is much more closely aligned to traditional monomyth/fantasy/etc. narratives than science fiction, which is the antithesis. If you substituted lightsabers with swords, Star Wars would be the exact same story. None of the "science fiction" is crucial to the story, which violates what constitutes a "scifi," or more broadly, speculative fiction story. Deeming that a scifi needs to be speculative is silly at best. It only restricts the types of stories you can tell through the genre. | ||
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