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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
April 01 2015 20:44 GMT
#93681
Where did I say that? Work on your reading comprehension.
TranslatorBaa!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 01 2015 20:45 GMT
#93682
On April 02 2015 05:36 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 05:14 Numy wrote:
On April 02 2015 05:10 red_ wrote:
On April 02 2015 05:05 Numy wrote:
On April 02 2015 05:03 red_ wrote:
On April 02 2015 04:58 Frudgey wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if there has been a revolution in the gaming industry.


Wait, you're arguing that George Lucas REVOLUTIONIZED cinema with Star Wars, but you are at the same time wanting to argue that there has not been a revolution in the gaming industry ever?

This is why I said earlier: this can't be a discussion(if you hold a view like this).


Who said he revolutionized cinema with Star Wars? I've been talking about ILM not Star Wars. Did Frudgey mention Star Wars?


Ok, put ILM in place of Star Wars, the point is still ridiculous if it is indeed your stance. Frudgey has clarified that he doesn't ILM to have been revolutionary to movies either though(which I would also dispute), but it is a far more coherent stance.


Well yea it's silly to say there's been no gaming revolutions but I don't really see why you say ILM wasn't revolutionary to movies unless what you said means you dispute Frudgey's point? Even on the small scale without ILM there may never have been Pixar which falls in your earlier point surely. In fact looks like ILM "invented" CGI use. Idk how you can get more revolutionary than that.


I was saying that I would dispute Frudgey on that, because ILM was revolutionary.


Oh ok, think we on the same page lol

Does anyone know when Obsidian is likely to patch? Kind of sucks being stuck on my one character.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 01 2015 20:48 GMT
#93683
On April 02 2015 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 03:57 Alaric wrote:
From what I got of Sci-fi's meaning, Star Wars isn't it at all because it doesn't dabble in what science brought to humanity/the setting, nor the social aspect of it (to sum up badly, I need to brush up on that ><).
With all the force and focus on lightsaber combat and the bloodline stuff and mythical creatures, it's closer to tales and fantasy, at least for the movies.


This x1000 thank you Alaric. I was literally just ranting to Caller about this at dinner last night lol.

A detailed exposition would be exhausting, but the crux of it is that Star Wars is much more closely aligned to traditional monomyth/fantasy/etc. narratives than science fiction, which is the antithesis. If you substituted lightsabers with swords, Star Wars would be the exact same story. None of the "science fiction" is crucial to the story, which violates what constitutes a "scifi," or more broadly, speculative fiction story.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 20:51:12
April 01 2015 20:49 GMT
#93684
I didn't say scifi needs to be speculative, I said scifi falls under speculative fiction as a genre. There's an implicit definition that scifi contains speculative elements, but if you actually read my later posts, you'll see I make nothing as asinine as the claim "scifi needs to be speculative."

And none of this has anything to do with my main point, which is Star Wars does not fall under "scifi" in the critical sense.
TranslatorBaa!
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
April 01 2015 20:50 GMT
#93685
Clearly we need to redefine the two, contrasting genres of Sci-Fi: Science-Fiction and Sciencey-Fiction
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
April 01 2015 20:51 GMT
#93686
I prefer SyFy myself.
TranslatorBaa!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 01 2015 20:51 GMT
#93687
What is a tank science fiction?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 20:56:22
April 01 2015 20:55 GMT
#93688
On April 02 2015 05:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:
What is a tank science fiction?

Antivaccers, homeopathy, the list goes on.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 01 2015 20:59 GMT
#93689
On April 02 2015 05:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I didn't say scifi needs to be speculative, I said scifi falls under speculative fiction as a genre. There's an implicit definition that scifi contains speculative elements, but if you actually read my later posts, you'll see I make nothing as asinine as the claim "scifi needs to be speculative."

And none of this has anything to do with my main point, which is Star Wars does not fall under "scifi" in the critical sense.

Squares fall under the category of rectangles, that doesn't magically make them not rectangles.

Either way, it's as position I've seen in many "Scifi or not?" discussions over the years that irks me, so maybe I inferred more than you intended.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
April 01 2015 21:13 GMT
#93690
Guys. Labeling people dehumanizes them. Don't do the same to books.

Labeling in general is a strange principle to me. I totally understand why we do it. It makes things easier to categorize. But I feel that soooo many arguments and disagreements (from friendly conversations like what we have to heated hostile debates) stem from people pretty much talk about the same thing, just using different words. Speech is actually just such a terrible medium of communication. It is far too easy to misunderstand each other. And oh my god, translating from languages is NUTSO. The idioms that evolve throughout different language and culture that eventually become mainstream can be so confusing.

For example, if I were to call Frudgey my best friend in Sesotho I would say "Abuti Frudgey o motsoalle oa ka ea hloho ea khomo." In English that translates to "Boy Frudgey he friend of mine of the head of a cow." Even if you knew every word in Sesotho (or any language) it would make NO sense to you unless you lived there and had someone explain no no no, that combination of words doesn't mean "Boy Frudgey is the friend of the head of a cow OR the head of a cow himself", but that he is my "best friend".

Another example that I like to use is "Re Tsamaea" translates to "We walk". But people use it to mean we are going or leaving no matter the mode of transportation. I find this interesting because even if you are driving somehwere you rarely say we are driving, but be like hey, "re tsamaea!" The basotho people walk so much and have been for so long that it has transformed itself into the generic word or phrase for going or leaving (even though there are words for going or leaving, they are just not used as often). And then you hear things like, "Re tsama" which is just a shortened version, and while it may just seem like a shortened version it is pretty much slang. And at that point you start to think, well it doesn't have a real translatable meaning because it is a non word similar to "sup". So whenever someone was like, "Botle, re tsama!" (Botle is my Sesotho name) I equated it with someone being like "Mike, we making moves!" or "Mike, we rolling out!"

The world is a funny place and language is so interesting. I am excited for the day when we have evolved where we just communicate with thoughts. A mixture of words, images, and experiences we can draw upon to convey our true meaning.

ps If you are not married and younger than a certain age you are referred to as "Abuti", which means boy. If you are married or past a certain age you are referred to as "Ntate", which means man. There are certain exceptions such as if you are a young unmarried man in a position of authority (such as a teacher) then people will refer to you as Ntate. So Frudgey, I made the bold assumption given the general age of this forum and the fact that you are in college and called you Abuti rather than Ntate - no offfense was meant.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
April 01 2015 21:18 GMT
#93691
Your first nine sentences basically have nothing to do with the rest of your post.
TranslatorBaa!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 01 2015 21:19 GMT
#93692
I'm not sure if I want to reinstall League to play some URF(last year at this same time, also when URF was out, was the last time I played League) because it's fun for a few games, or if a few games isn't worth it...
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
April 01 2015 21:22 GMT
#93693
On April 02 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Your first nine sentences basically have nothing to do with the rest of your post.


That'll happen.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
April 01 2015 21:24 GMT
#93694
On April 02 2015 06:13 JonGalt wrote:
Guys. Labeling people dehumanizes them. Don't do the same to books.

Labeling in general is a strange principle to me. I totally understand why we do it. It makes things easier to categorize. But I feel that soooo many arguments and disagreements (from friendly conversations like what we have to heated hostile debates) stem from people pretty much talk about the same thing, just using different words. Speech is actually just such a terrible medium of communication. It is far too easy to misunderstand each other. And oh my god, translating from languages is NUTSO. The idioms that evolve throughout different language and culture that eventually become mainstream can be so confusing.

For example, if I were to call Frudgey my best friend in Sesotho I would say "Abuti Frudgey o motsoalle oa ka ea hloho ea khomo." In English that translates to "Boy Frudgey he friend of mine of the head of a cow." Even if you knew every word in Sesotho (or any language) it would make NO sense to you unless you lived there and had someone explain no no no, that combination of words doesn't mean "Boy Frudgey is the friend of the head of a cow OR the head of a cow himself", but that he is my "best friend".

Another example that I like to use is "Re Tsamaea" translates to "We walk". But people use it to mean we are going or leaving no matter the mode of transportation. I find this interesting because even if you are driving somehwere you rarely say we are driving, but be like hey, "re tsamaea!" The basotho people walk so much and have been for so long that it has transformed itself into the generic word or phrase for going or leaving (even though there are words for going or leaving, they are just not used as often). And then you hear things like, "Re tsama" which is just a shortened version, and while it may just seem like a shortened version it is pretty much slang. And at that point you start to think, well it doesn't have a real translatable meaning because it is a non word similar to "sup". So whenever someone was like, "Botle, re tsama!" (Botle is my Sesotho name) I equated it with someone being like "Mike, we making moves!" or "Mike, we rolling out!"

The world is a funny place and language is so interesting. I am excited for the day when we have evolved where we just communicate with thoughts. A mixture of words, images, and experiences we can draw upon to convey our true meaning.

ps If you are not married and younger than a certain age you are referred to as "Abuti", which means boy. If you are married or past a certain age you are referred to as "Ntate", which means man. There are certain exceptions such as if you are a young unmarried man in a position of authority (such as a teacher) then people will refer to you as Ntate. So Frudgey, I made the bold assumption given the general age of this forum and the fact that you are in college and called you Abuti rather than Ntate - no offfense was meant.


And actually to continue the rambling, as English becomes a more and more global language I am kinda scared for the world to get Tower of Babeled! Wouldn't that be crazy in this day and age for everyone to finally learn a common language and understand each other and BOOM, mass confusion.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 01 2015 21:32 GMT
#93695
Moonbear you are actually the best.
Objectively.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 21:36:34
April 01 2015 21:35 GMT
#93696
In French we usually use "to go" too, regardless of the means of transportation. We have verbs for "to drive", but not "to fly" for example (or rather, English can say "I fly to" to mean "I take the plane to" but French won't, 'cause it only means "I fly [like a bird]" save for a few specific instances), so we just say "I took the plane/train/boat to". I don't think we have a literal equivalent to "I rode" either.

Btw MoonBear, can I get a picture of the of the one who'll teach Marcus how to be a superior otter?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 21:45:07
April 01 2015 21:44 GMT
#93697
I'm surprised French "fly" doesn't only mean to run/flee, considering how many battles the French have flew from ))))))
<3
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
April 01 2015 21:51 GMT
#93698
wait why is moonbears post funny
can everyone read kanji or what
aka Teutonica
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 21:55:22
April 01 2015 21:52 GMT
#93699
On April 02 2015 06:24 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 06:13 JonGalt wrote:
Guys. Labeling people dehumanizes them. Don't do the same to books.

Labeling in general is a strange principle to me. I totally understand why we do it. It makes things easier to categorize. But I feel that soooo many arguments and disagreements (from friendly conversations like what we have to heated hostile debates) stem from people pretty much talk about the same thing, just using different words. Speech is actually just such a terrible medium of communication. It is far too easy to misunderstand each other. And oh my god, translating from languages is NUTSO. The idioms that evolve throughout different language and culture that eventually become mainstream can be so confusing.

For example, if I were to call Frudgey my best friend in Sesotho I would say "Abuti Frudgey o motsoalle oa ka ea hloho ea khomo." In English that translates to "Boy Frudgey he friend of mine of the head of a cow." Even if you knew every word in Sesotho (or any language) it would make NO sense to you unless you lived there and had someone explain no no no, that combination of words doesn't mean "Boy Frudgey is the friend of the head of a cow OR the head of a cow himself", but that he is my "best friend".

Another example that I like to use is "Re Tsamaea" translates to "We walk". But people use it to mean we are going or leaving no matter the mode of transportation. I find this interesting because even if you are driving somehwere you rarely say we are driving, but be like hey, "re tsamaea!" The basotho people walk so much and have been for so long that it has transformed itself into the generic word or phrase for going or leaving (even though there are words for going or leaving, they are just not used as often). And then you hear things like, "Re tsama" which is just a shortened version, and while it may just seem like a shortened version it is pretty much slang. And at that point you start to think, well it doesn't have a real translatable meaning because it is a non word similar to "sup". So whenever someone was like, "Botle, re tsama!" (Botle is my Sesotho name) I equated it with someone being like "Mike, we making moves!" or "Mike, we rolling out!"

The world is a funny place and language is so interesting. I am excited for the day when we have evolved where we just communicate with thoughts. A mixture of words, images, and experiences we can draw upon to convey our true meaning.

ps If you are not married and younger than a certain age you are referred to as "Abuti", which means boy. If you are married or past a certain age you are referred to as "Ntate", which means man. There are certain exceptions such as if you are a young unmarried man in a position of authority (such as a teacher) then people will refer to you as Ntate. So Frudgey, I made the bold assumption given the general age of this forum and the fact that you are in college and called you Abuti rather than Ntate - no offfense was meant.


And actually to continue the rambling, as English becomes a more and more global language I am kinda scared for the world to get Tower of Babeled! Wouldn't that be crazy in this day and age for everyone to finally learn a common language and understand each other and BOOM, mass confusion.

I don't understand
You mean what would happen if everyone in the world would suddenly forget how to speak english?
Well, poor americans who can speak only 1 language, they'd remain transform into pretty much apes LOL
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 01 2015 21:53 GMT
#93700
On April 02 2015 06:51 Slayer91 wrote:
wait why is moonbears post funny
can everyone read kanji or what

It's funny because it's the continuation of the superior other in-joke and we know she is Chinese in descent.
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