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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:52 wei2coolman wrote: you guys are fucking party poopers, holy shit. just have some fun with it. Agreed. There's a lot of dumb bullshit but I really appreciate the actually clever stuff. It was posted earlier but r/AskHistorians is amazing today. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:54 WaveofShadow wrote: And you don't think pre-activision blizzard revolutionized the gaming industry with Brood war/Diablo/WoW? No. They maybe created huge changes in the genres themselves but they didn't revolutionize the whole industry. I don't really know what the movie industry would be like now without Lucas. Since we on liquid tend to be from BW we overstate the effect of blizzard on the industry I feel. They have caused huge things yes, but just not the same scope. If they maybe did something like Valve did with steam we could compare but even then valve's impact isn't as large as Lucas's. ID has had a bigger impact with Wolfenstein 3D honestly. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
Sure Blizzard did some great things back in the day but I don't think they "revolutionized" the gaming industry. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
Brood war >>every RTS ever War3-->dota-->every moba WoW-->first really huge MMO and became the standard format for one Diablo still standard format for ARPGS like PoE is now Hearthstone? TCG that you can properly play online since card game format sort of outdated holy shit the only thing they didnt revolutionize for PC gaming was Shooters since fighters dont exist in pc games really they definitely didnt invent any of the genres but they sure did revolutionize them | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 02 2015 02:40 Slayer91 wrote: holy shit the only thing they didnt revolutionize for PC gaming was Shooters since fighters dont exist in pc games really Overwatch | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
You guys should really read up more on Lucas honestly. The guys directing is most likely his least important involvement in the movie industry. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On April 02 2015 02:40 Slayer91 wrote: really??? Brood war >>every RTS ever //I don't think we can discount Command and Conquer games entirely. Sure Blizzard games might have been more successful, but I think Command and Conquer predates Brood War and Warcraft. Dune II is what I would call revolutionary. War3-->dota-->every moba //I see your point here, but I think Blizzard just gave the tools to the modders to influence every moba that came after Warcraft 3. I don't think it was Blizzard who did the work here, but the modders. WoW-->first really huge MMO and became the standard format for one //I think there were very successful MMO's before WoW. Namely, Runescape. Sure WoW implemented some changes which would inspire MMO's to come, but I don't think they revolutionized the genre. Diablo still standard format for ARPGS like PoE is now //Okay you can have this one. Hearthstone? TCG that you can properly play online since card game format sort of outdated //I see where you're coming from, but I'm not entirely sure about this one. I feel like all they really did was make trading card games more accessible. holy shit the only thing they didnt revolutionize for PC gaming was Shooters since fighters dont exist in pc games really they definitely didnt invent any of the genres but they sure did revolutionize them Well first of all we can have different perspectives of what "a sudden, complete or marked change in something" entails. It might just be the case that I think that a "revolution" in gaming pertains to something "bigger" for lack of a better term. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Gotta admit he did have a huge impact on merchandising though. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I wonder where CGI would even be if Lucas wasn't around. No one at the time really grasped just how important the technology aside from him. He was unfortunately more focused on the tech then anything else in that he let Pixar go because he couldn't see the appeal of a full CG movie at the time. He did a lot more than just CG as Alaric pointed out he had a large role on merchandising in movies as well. I know there are documentaries about this you can check out if you want a full picture of what he's done for the industry. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
On April 02 2015 02:55 Frudgey wrote: Well first of all we can have different perspectives of what "a sudden, complete or marked change in something" entails. It might just be the case that I think that a "revolution" in gaming pertains to something "bigger" for lack of a better term. How can you get bigger I don't understand blizzard didnt invent any genres but they revolutionized them brood war was completely on another level from any other RTS the war3 and broodwar custom mapmaking capability also completely on another level from anything and lead to the invention of the moba genre I guess you can argue that diablo and WoW weren't revolutionary but in terms of popularity and how long they survived (d2/wow more than d1/d3 lol) they are insane if blizzard werent' revolutionary can you give some examples as to who you think were? also blizzard were revolutionary only in terms of multiplayer obviously their singleplayer was great but theres a lot of great single player games | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
Edit: I could easily just say "well 2001: A Space Odyssey really is what broke ground on cinematic visual effects, so George Lucas didn't really revolutionize anything, just improved upon it." | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
WoW did basically populrize/create the "themepark" MMO. That may be their biggest achievement. It's still largely within a single genre and not the industry as a whole. Subscription stuff was around before WoW and will be around after wow. Nothing really changed in that regard. Battle.net(The original) was indeed incredible. The main issue is no one really adopted it so it's hard to say the impact of it. People did try a few times I think but I'm not sure. On April 02 2015 03:50 red_ wrote: If you don't think WoW revolutionized MMOs then there's no further discussion possible, since that is far and beyond the most obvious example. Edit: I could easily just say "well 2001: A Space Odyssey really is what broke ground on cinematic visual effects, so George Lucas didn't really revolutionize anything, just improved upon it." What would that have to do with CGI? Maybe another analogy please. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
With all the force and focus on lightsaber combat and the bloodline stuff and mythical creatures, it's closer to tales and fantasy, at least for the movies. About the story part, didn't even Doom give you some kind of story? Or is it meant as "the first time there's a fleshed-out story with cutscenes and other characters interacting with you"? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
edit: I actually kind of dislike star wars since now they even made Star trek into Star Wars when Star Wars was meant to be the dumb action cousin of star trek all along. Fucking JJ couldn't just make a new IP instead of butchering the essence of star trek like that. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 02 2015 03:57 Alaric wrote: From what I got of Sci-fi's meaning, Star Wars isn't it at all because it doesn't dabble in what science brought to humanity/the setting, nor the social aspect of it (to sum up badly, I need to brush up on that ><). With all the force and focus on lightsaber combat and the bloodline stuff and mythical creatures, it's closer to tales and fantasy, at least for the movies. About the story part, didn't even Doom give you some kind of story? Or is it meant as "the first time there's a fleshed-out story with cutscenes and other characters interacting with you"? Starwars didn't have the time to go into it in a movie format. Supposedly the EU expounds upon that. Judging the series only by the movies is silly. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I mean, nobody is even judging the entire series by the movies. They're just saying the movies don't really have too much of a sci-fi feel to them. Wtf? I mean he did specifically say he means the movies. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 02 2015 03:56 Numy wrote: WoW did basically populrize/create the "themepark" MMO. That may be their biggest achievement. It's still largely within a single genre and not the industry as a whole. Subscription stuff was around before WoW and will be around after wow. Nothing really changed in that regard. What would that have to do with CGI? Maybe another analogy please. I narrowed down your post to this part, to show how you're minimizing WoW's impact on all of gaming. It'd be like saying that CoD:Modern Warfare wasn't revolutionary because it was 'just a new take on FPS,' when it completely changed the face of console gaming, with a little handoff from the Halo games that came before it(like WoW from EQ). Something doesn't have to be 100% original to be revolutionary(thus my 2001:A Space Odyssey analogy with regards to Star Wars visual effects). | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On April 02 2015 03:57 Alaric wrote: From what I got of Sci-fi's meaning, Star Wars isn't it at all because it doesn't dabble in what science brought to humanity/the setting, nor the social aspect of it (to sum up badly, I need to brush up on that ><). With all the force and focus on lightsaber combat and the bloodline stuff and mythical creatures, it's closer to tales and fantasy, at least for the movies. This x1000 thank you Alaric. I was literally just ranting to Caller about this at dinner last night lol. A detailed exposition would be exhausting, but the crux of it is that Star Wars is much more closely aligned to traditional monomyth/fantasy/etc. narratives than science fiction, which is the antithesis. If you substituted lightsabers with swords, Star Wars would be the exact same story. None of the "science fiction" is crucial to the story, which violates what constitutes a "scifi," or more broadly, speculative fiction story. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
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