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On February 27 2015 06:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 04:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 27 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2015 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm salty again. Can't control it.
This guy I watched a bunch started streaming a week ago, now has a steady 100+ viewers.
I mean he has a gimmick (he's ranked #2 overall in limited MTGO play) but still. Argh.
Whatevs I'm gonna stream a draft while I have the chance. Don't really expect anyone to watch but at least I'll have it recorded to go over all the dumb mistakes I make.
And fuck now I don't have enough time to do one before I have to go pick up the guy...ugh
I guess I'll risk one later tonight while he's sleeping not really a gimmick and most probably why  What I have is a gimmick. Being ranked #2 is something people would want to watch lol I mean a gimmick as in 'a specific reason for people to watch.' So I'd still count that #2 player as having a gimmick, it's just a particularly good one? I don't think I've ever had a proper gimmick to hook people in. Blind DS run comes close I suppose?
"Gimmick" is closer to "cheese" in my mind. People watch high elo streamers because they are good/entertaining/etc. I'm not a particularly good player, but right now, my gimmick is Projekt Viktor, and people seem entertained by it (I have one new no-TL viewer purely because I'm playing Viktor).
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On February 27 2015 06:10 red_ wrote:
I think if Wave had a more concrete schedule he could've been a popular Let's Play-er. He has the voice and the stream personality to pull it off. I don't mean to add to your lamentations about streaming Wave but sometimes you're just a little too late to the game or 'born in the wrong time' if you will and that sucks but it happens.*
*This doesn't mean stop trying, maybe your break is still ahead of you.
Yeah, given some of the smaller-time LPers I watch, I definitely think Wave could have been popular doing if he had the time and the passion for it.
I also still think that with the time, he could be a better caster than Ayesee, but that's mostly because I became a huge Ayesee anti-fan after how he handled himself in that 1hr+ TI3 DK vs. IG game.
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Just saying, Wave I would 100% watch you Lets Play games
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On February 27 2015 06:15 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 06:10 red_ wrote:
I think if Wave had a more concrete schedule he could've been a popular Let's Play-er. He has the voice and the stream personality to pull it off. I don't mean to add to your lamentations about streaming Wave but sometimes you're just a little too late to the game or 'born in the wrong time' if you will and that sucks but it happens.*
*This doesn't mean stop trying, maybe your break is still ahead of you. Yeah, given some of the smaller-time LPers I watch, I definitely think Wave could have been popular doing if he had the time and the passion for it. I also still think that with the time, he could be a better caster than Ayesee, but that's mostly because I became a huge Ayesee anti-fan after how he handled himself in that 1hr+ TI3 DK vs. IG game.
are you a bigger anti-korean commentator fan for how they handled themselves? they were sooo much worse than ayesee.
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On February 27 2015 06:08 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 06:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 27 2015 06:01 Scip wrote:
I think the new jungle is fine, personally Thanks for your input scip! It's always nice to hear from a valued member of our community. I was just wondering what Gahlo would say if he couldn't resort to ad hominem :3
I would say you're welcome to have your own opinion. I know not everyone would agree with me, but the response has clearly shown that many others agree and it seemed to spearhead pros and community figures to make public grievances as well.
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On February 27 2015 06:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
are you a bigger anti-korean commentator fan for how they handled themselves? they were sooo much worse than ayesee.
I view them differently because Ayesee was commentating in part for the live audience while the Koreans were commentating purely for the stream. I have different expectations of the two.
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On February 27 2015 06:10 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 05:58 TheYango wrote:On February 27 2015 05:46 red_ wrote:
I'm in agreement with Scip in the context of Monte's post. Monte wasn't just trying to be a popular content creator, he had a specific content in mind similar to a sort of Day 9 Daily. Day 9 had personality as well, but his initial success is extremely tied to the esteem he was held in the BW community, on the back of his very high level ability.
Monte wasn't garbage at League or anything, but he wasn't a top tier player either, which is generally what the public will expect from content of that type. He was good enough to help a very very large % of the playerbase which I think is why he started doing it, but unfortunately clout plays a large part, and in this scenario clout comes in the form of Elo/League+Division standing. So what you're saying is, his show didn't work out because the second half of his name was -gomery and not Cristo? Well that Monte got his clout through being an OGN caster, whether that should or shouldn't count/work is irrelevant, it put him high in the eyes of the many(also I do think he's pretty damn good at his job FWIW, not perfect and not always correct but yea). Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 06:09 TheYango wrote:On February 27 2015 06:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2015 04:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 27 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2015 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm salty again. Can't control it.
This guy I watched a bunch started streaming a week ago, now has a steady 100+ viewers.
I mean he has a gimmick (he's ranked #2 overall in limited MTGO play) but still. Argh.
Whatevs I'm gonna stream a draft while I have the chance. Don't really expect anyone to watch but at least I'll have it recorded to go over all the dumb mistakes I make.
And fuck now I don't have enough time to do one before I have to go pick up the guy...ugh
I guess I'll risk one later tonight while he's sleeping not really a gimmick and most probably why What I have is a gimmick. Being ranked #2 is something people would want to watch lol I mean a gimmick as in 'a specific reason for people to watch.' So I'd still count that #2 player as having a gimmick, it's just a particularly good one? I don't think I've ever had a proper gimmick to hook people in. Blind DS run comes close I suppose? Ginger hair and a smooth radio voice don't count as a good gimmick?
I think if Wave had a more concrete schedule he could've been a popular Let's Play-er. He has the voice and the stream personality to pull it off. I don't mean to add to your lamentations about streaming Wave but sometimes you're just a little too late to the game or 'born in the wrong time' if you will and that sucks but it happens.*
*This doesn't mean stop trying, maybe your break is still ahead of you.
I mean, the bolded is basically it, and it's why I really should stop worrying about trying to be popular and just stream for fun, but I can't help myself.
On February 27 2015 06:12 PrinceXizor wrote:
Wave i think you have a good streaming voice and are interesting, but you never seem comfortable talking to a camera. it makes things less engaging when you seem like you lack a personality because of the uncomfortable tone in your voice. thats why i crack jokes in your chat 24/7 because when you are reacting to my shenanigans or to chat you end up being wave and not robo-wave. and its entertaining.
This is a critique I've never gotten and it interests me actually. I'm curious if anyone else gets that vibe as well because I never feel uncomfortable at all---when I'm engaging viewers it's fun yeah but when I have to just talk for the sake of talking I revert to what I'd be saying if I were talking to myself (which happens a lot), and that doesn't make me uncomfortable.
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On February 27 2015 06:18 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 06:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
are you a bigger anti-korean commentator fan for how they handled themselves? they were sooo much worse than ayesee. I view them differently because Ayesee was commentating in part for the live audience while the Koreans were commentating purely for the stream. I have different expectations of the two.
Could you give a quick rundown of what happened?
On February 27 2015 06:12 PrinceXizor wrote:
Wave i think you have a good streaming voice and are interesting, but you never seem comfortable talking to a camera. it makes things less engaging when you seem like you lack a personality because of the uncomfortable tone in your voice. thats why i crack jokes in your chat 24/7 because when you are reacting to my shenanigans or to chat you end up being wave and not robo-wave. and its entertaining.
one thing I struggle with is that I find it strange to like, look at the camera when I'm talking to viewers
idk if it's something I should do? I also don't know if this type of critique is something that applies to me as well - I feel like I'm usually pretty ok at explaining my mindset. But looking down at the camera feels like I'm staring at all of your souls.
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Basically it was a long game that ended up getting into a super safe/passive phase at around the 50 minute/1 hr mark because iG got a Rapier, and then neither team wanted to commit 100% to a fight, so there was a lot of posturing and shit for about 20-30 minutes.
The crowd was getting visibly frustrated, and Ayesee rather than trying to see the upside in the interesting points in the game more or less served to just egg on the crowd which was more or less booing and jeering by the end.
As PX mentioned, the Korean commentators were joking around and doing a lot of the same shit and were doing it way more, but again, I see that as being more excusable because their commentary was purely for the stream and not the live audience.
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On February 27 2015 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is a critique I've never gotten and it interests me actually. I'm curious if anyone else gets that vibe as well because I never feel uncomfortable at all---when I'm engaging viewers it's fun yeah but when I have to just talk for the sake of talking I revert to what I'd be saying if I were talking to myself (which happens a lot), and that doesn't make me uncomfortable.
Only you know how you feel, but the quiet-ish muttering to yourself being such a contrast to your personality when talking to chat or when the game freezes or something definitely makes me think you feel uncomfortable.
though its entirely possible that a better microphone and setup would bring more out in your voice and alleviate that entirely.
On February 27 2015 06:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
one thing I struggle with is that I find it strange to like, look at the camera when I'm talking to viewers
idk if it's something I should do? I also don't know if this type of critique is something that applies to me as well - I feel like I'm usually pretty ok at explaining my mindset. But looking down at the camera feels like I'm staring at all of your souls.
Eye-deally (har har) you'd have your camera near eye level so the glance from game to audience is only a slight shift. its something you get used to, but the way you have it now, you could talk entirely to your monitor, but occasionally glance or gesture to your camera. its a feeling you have to shake, and part of the reason that stage trained actors adjusting to film can sometimes have issues taking direction
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That makes me wonder how Wave would come across if he did LPs as YT recorded video rather than streamed.
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On February 27 2015 06:22 TheYango wrote:
Basically it was a long game that ended up getting into a super safe/passive phase at around the 50 minute/1 hr mark because iG got a Rapier, and then neither team wanted to commit 100% to a fight, so there was a lot of posturing and shit for about 20-30 minutes.
The crowd was getting visibly frustrated, and Ayesee rather than trying to see the upside in the interesting points in the game more or less served to just egg on the crowd which was more or less booing and jeering by the end.
As PX mentioned, the Korean commentators were joking around and doing a lot of the same shit and were doing it way more, but again, I see that as being more excusable because their commentary was purely for the stream and not the live audience.
Ayesee used to never be the one who focused on interesting points or had good insights into the game of Dota. He was pretty negative especially in tedious matches comparing to someone like syndereN. He had gotten a bit better since then though.
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On February 27 2015 06:22 TheYango wrote:
Basically it was a long game that ended up getting into a super safe/passive phase at around the 50 minute/1 hr mark because iG got a Rapier, and then neither team wanted to commit 100% to a fight, so there was a lot of posturing and shit for about 20-30 minutes.
The crowd was getting visibly frustrated, and Ayesee rather than trying to see the upside in the interesting points in the game more or less served to just egg on the crowd which was more or less booing and jeering by the end.
As PX mentioned, the Korean commentators were joking around and doing a lot of the same shit and were doing it way more, but again, I see that as being more excusable because their commentary was purely for the stream and not the live audience.
That was disgusting. He basically turned the whole crowd against the players.
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Way I see it, if I'm streaming and I have one or two people in chat to bounce off of that adds more to it than just the act of playing, I don't care if I have ten or ten million viewers. Not to say that I'd be against having massive viewership to stream to. lol
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Should get some co op lets plays with soniv or something. Combine the viewer base!
Also think wave sounds fine, don't get the uncomfortable feeling at all.
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On February 27 2015 06:28 crimethinking wrote:
Ayesee used to never be the one who focused on interesting points or had good insights into the game of Dota. He was pretty negative especially in tedious matches comparing to someone like syndereN. He had gotten a bit better since then though.
He's also gotten much better at containing his obvious Western bias (it was really bad at TI2 IMO, by TI3 it was ok).
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On February 27 2015 06:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
Eye-deally (har har) you'd have your camera near eye level so the glance from game to audience is only a slight shift. its something you get used to, but the way you have it now, you could talk entirely to your monitor, but occasionally glance or gesture to your camera. its a feeling you have to shake, and part of the reason that stage trained actors adjusting to film can sometimes have issues taking direction
Yeah, that's partially just the awkwardness of my setup. If I follow through with my plan to get 3 reasonably sized monitors rather than my 2 differently sized TVs, it will be nicer. Although that won't be happening for a little while cuz of monies - maybe depending on my upcoming bonus/raise...
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On February 27 2015 06:25 TheYango wrote:
That makes me wonder how Wave would come across if he did LPs as YT recorded video rather than streamed.
I think it depends on the game. Like when I stream Isaac for example if I have stuff to explain to people it's a lot easier to talk about stuff but in terms of coming up with a steady stream of interesting jabber based on nothing? It's pretty difficult. In DS it was propbably easier as well because I was constantly encountering new things but when I play Isaac it's all old hat to me so without any viewer interaction it's really tough to just talk all the time. That's not to say I'm uncomfortable when I have nothing to talk about, but I revert more to what I'm like when I'm on my own playing a game and have nobody watching, which I think is natural.
On February 27 2015 06:28 Gahlo wrote:
Way I see it, if I'm streaming and I have one or two people in chat to bounce off of that adds more to it than just the act of playing, I don't care if I have ten or ten million viewers. Not to say that I'd be against having massive viewership to stream to. lol
I mean that's basically it. I was saying somewhere recently that I think even if I never got more popular ever, if I had a constant 20-30 viewers to get chat going consistently I'd be super happy with that.
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Just having a handful of active viewers in chat is enough, really. And although I'm not really big on twitch memes, I thoroughly enjoyed the other night when people were spamming random shit - it's actually entertaining when you're on the producing end.
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Ayesee is still one of the worst casters in dota, but then again, there aren't many good ones 
I'm not a fan of his voice/casting, he misses a lot of stuff and wrong on a lot of his calls, such as item purchases/gank timings/lineups.
Giff moar Winter+1 and Sunsfan/synderan, also Merloobi, but he's now a player again.
Also, holy fuck, Sedoy you should not be alive after that lol....
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