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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 11 2013 00:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: Doubtful. The financial system has gotten so complicated that most people don't even begin to comprehend the implications of everything that's going on, and the real, observable effects will be slow to hit the general public, at which point some other issue will have taken the forefront of attention. Hell, in reference to your edit, it's a perfect example. Just two weeks ago government spying was set to incite riots everywhere and now it's all but forgotten. Oh, I don't expect people to understand it. Hell, I don't understand close to half of it. But I think it's starting to hit people that "wait a minute, something's messed up here" mordek pls | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
@Soniv's spoiler - I love how that shit died away really fast. Just like SOPA (which some legislation is still trying to push through), people were like "Oh no the govt is spying on us!" for 2 weeks, and then... who cares now? NSA if you're reading this, I'm really sorry about all the porn. You know the ones I'm talking about. | ||
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
On October 11 2013 00:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, I don't expect people to understand it. Hell, I don't understand close to half of it. But I think it's starting to hit people that "wait a minute, something's messed up here" mordek pls Meh people have been saying that for a while, I don't think this one is significantly different in terms of how mad people are gonna get. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 11 2013 00:59 Requizen wrote: The fact that we're hiding our issues behind other issues is pretty fucking dumb. @Soniv's spoiler - I love how that shit died away really fast. Just like SOPA (which some legislation is still trying to push through), people were like "Oh no the govt is spying on us!" for 2 weeks, and then... who cares now? NSA if you're reading this, I'm really sorry about all the porn. You know the ones I'm talking about. Well yeah, people get really mad about stuff, and then it's like "well, what do we actually do about it?" I don't have an answer. I would love to see someone come up with something. Because, right now, we got a whole lot of nothin. For a while I've maintained the thought that a lot of our problems stem from just how big of a country we are. So many people, so many different voices, hard to get a directive for change. And with the people who are supposed to be leading us taking advantage and just fucking around, we're in a tough spot. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 11 2013 00:53 Requizen wrote: I'm not saying I'd be lining up for it, or that I'd condone a riot or anything, but I mean come on. We live in a country with hundreds of millions of people, and the worst I've heard about this whole thing is people trespassing on closed parks. People are willing to line the streets in protest when an athlete gets caught doping or something stupid like that, but in response to the government shutting down we just get "lol America politics so silly". It baffles me, honestly. About the shutdown, there are people who aren't getting food thanks the to the shutdown of the nutrition plan. There are also a very large amount of people who are sitting on their hands not able to get paid for what looks like two weeks. And when you remember that we have a large group of officials elected by popular vote who are acting so incredibly immature that they even refuse to acknowledge laws that have been passed despite claiming that the Constitution is oh so intrinsic to their agenda, it's more than a little bad. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/30/a-ceo-who-resisted-nsa-spying-is-out-of-prison-and-he-feels-vindicated-by-snowden-leaks/ In good news though being a dual citizen means I can move to any Commonwealth country + Show Spoiler + (cuz its so much better there!!!!) | ||
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
But really, you're right Soniv. There's not much we can do. Unlike countries where regimes change every week, the US Government has too much momentum to really be changed. We can't take it down and replace it, even if you replace every single person in every single office there's just too much shit in motion to see change - probably even in our lifetime. But in all honesty, I don't think there's many other countries I'd go to even if I cared a lot about this, which I really don't. I mean, I think about it every now and then, but I'm hypocritical because until it starts directly affecting me, I couldn't care less. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23469 Posts
need to get enough ppl on the interwebs and vote for randoms, internet can be a pretty dangerous tool in that it allows free mass communication when before you just voted for whoever was up on the poster | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 11 2013 01:06 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: The one thing that is different about this "crisis" is that we're on track to witness, for the first time in recent memory, the Republicans caving instead of the Democrats pussying out like always for once. Republicans and Democrats are pretty much the same party on any of the important issues (see: Obama's 2nd term being pretty much a repeat of Bush). Everything else is just fluff and pandering on social issues. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 11 2013 01:09 Slayer91 wrote: political party system is always going to be flawed. Need money to win elections -->parties are under the influence of those with money -->people with money profit blah blah blah 1% need to get enough ppl on the interwebs and vote for randoms, internet can be a pretty dangerous tool in that it allows free mass communication when before you just voted for whoever was up on the poster It will be quite interesting - but not for a decade or so I think. While to us it seems like everyone uses the internet nowadays, it's still a relatively small percentage of people who use it for the free information spread you're talking about. And a decent number of those people are too young to vote, too. Once the "internet generation" gets into their thirties and forties and, if you pardon my lack of reverence, the older generations start to pass and stop voting based on news channels and party bias, we'll see something new. But until then, don't expect anything. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
I wouldn't be worried about an actual default if it weren't for the different language being used by tea partiers at the moment. If people can't protest after a horrendous default (with stuff like social security not getting paid out) this country is pretty much doomed from both the top down and the bottom up. If any of you would like to feed your political cynicism I hear "This Town" is a good book to do it with. | ||
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
On October 11 2013 01:12 xes wrote: Republicans and Democrats are pretty much the same party on any of the important issues (see: Obama's 2nd term being pretty much a repeat of Bush). Everything else is just fluff and pandering on social issues. They're not the most divergent, but it'd be disingenuous to say there's absolutely no difference. They might be minute, but the differences are still there. For the average citizen, no, there's no tangible effect most of the time, but if you want to adopt a more holistic view, there's certainly something to be said for supporting one over the other on an ideological basis. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23469 Posts
i wonder what % of eligible voters actually do. I imagine most people don't vote because they believe their vote won't make a real difference, which is pretty much true | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 11 2013 01:16 Slayer91 wrote: doesn't necessarily matter about age, just how people think. once you have number of voters disillusioned >number of voters watching fox news its k i wonder what % of eligible voters actually do. I imagine most people don't vote because they believe their vote won't make a real difference, which is pretty much true While it's impossible to have those types of numbers, I err on the side of pessimistic. They don't call them the "masses" for nothing. I'd wager it's well over 60% of the people in this country that get their opinions from news channels and political podcasts rather than researching topics and individuals on their own. And, like you said, the people who are most likely to not vote because "it doesn't make a difference" are likely the ones who ARE intelligent and informed, even further skewing the results. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 11 2013 01:16 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: They're not the most divergent, but it'd be disingenuous to say there's absolutely no difference. They might be minute, but the differences are still there. For the average citizen, no, there's no tangible effect most of the time, but if you want to adopt a more holistic view, there's certainly something to be said for supporting one over the other on an ideological basis. I would disagree and say politically they are different parties, but ideologically they are quite the same. In fact, I think the Tea Party is one of the true parties we have because they are actually ideologically consistent. For the general republican and democratic representatives, their ideology extends insofar as it supports the political aims of their benefactors and constituents (in that priority order). | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
It's just all a silly clusterfuck. Also, this is why I like you guys. We're capable of having a civil political discussion. Granted, there aren't any hugely opposing ideas being flung around like in the GD threads, but I've always liked having discussions about it because I've always tried to remain unbiased when considering things of this nature. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 11 2013 01:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: Also, this is why I like you guys. We're capable of having a civil political discussion. Granted, there aren't any hugely opposing ideas being flung around like in the GD threads, but I've always liked having discussions about it because I've always tried to remain unbiased when considering things of this nature. As a relegated subforum we've all felt the heavy hand of institutional oppression. | ||
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