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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:23 jcarlsoniv wrote: because it sorts by Gold > Silver > Bronze - you have more silvers, but total we have 27 to your 24 imo gold count is the most important. We're tied in gold. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:23 jcarlsoniv wrote: because it sorts by Gold > Silver > Bronze - you have more silvers, but total we have 27 to your 24 i.e. sorting by the way everybody sorts we're ahead, but sorting by a tricksy way Americans use to look better you beat us. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On February 21 2014 12:07 Eventine wrote: Pretty much, US goes by totals, the world goes by gold. Think of it like the metric system | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:25 caelym wrote: imo gold count is the most important. We're tied in gold. Obviously gold count is the most important. But after that, I like to look at totals. Being on the podium at all is impressive and astounding, so getting 27 on the podium over 24 is respectable. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:31 kainzero wrote: personally i have 0 medals and i didn't do anything to help the american team we can form a TLLOLOT curling team and try for the olympic dream. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:31 kainzero wrote: personally i have 0 medals and i didn't do anything to help the american team Just tell yourself it's because the lack of esports. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:33 caelym wrote: we can form a TLLOLOT curling team and try for the olympic dream. yes pls edit: while we're at it, can we make a fencing team for the summer? | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:31 Cixah wrote: Should be a point system. Gold = 3, silver = 2, bronze = 1. IMO Gold = 5, Silver = 3, Bronze = 1 if you're going to do a points system. With that it's Norway 70, Russia 82, Canada 80, USA 77. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:31 kainzero wrote: personally i have 0 medals and i didn't do anything to help the american team I've met Kaitlyn Lawes (third for Team Canada), no doubt she was inspired to go to the Olympics by my presence, so I can take some credit. Also the ex-coach of Germany's curling team once held me as a I vomited, so that has to count for something. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
If you ask a competitor if they'd rather have a gold or two silvers, the vast majority will opt for the former. Therefore, any ranking system has to value a gold as more than 2x the value of a silver. So a 5-2-1 scoring system makes the most sense. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: We had a thread on ranking gold/silver/bronzes (first/second/third places) in the context of SC before, this was years back (anyone wanna dig up that thread?), and there was a really good post by someone on how to look at the situation: If you ask a competitor if they'd rather have a gold or two silvers, the vast majority will opt for the former. Therefore, any ranking system has to value a gold as more than 2x the value of a silver. So a 5-2-1 scoring system makes the most sense. If that's the case then I'm pretty sure they'd rather have a silver than 2 bronze, and the bottom end of that spead falls through. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: We had a thread on ranking gold/silver/bronzes (first/second/third places) in the context of SC before, this was years back (anyone wanna dig up that thread?), and there was a really good post by someone on how to look at the situation: If you ask a competitor if they'd rather have a gold or two silvers, the vast majority will opt for the former. Therefore, any ranking system has to value a gold as more than 2x the value of a silver. So a 5-2-1 scoring system makes the most sense. Solid reasoning. That would make it Russia 72 Canada 70 USA 70 Norway 64 Germany 52 | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:43 Gahlo wrote: If that's the case then I'm pretty sure they'd rather have a silver than 2 bronze, and the bottom end of that spead falls through. Not true, actually. The silver-bronze difference is not nearly as pronounced as the gold-silver difference. Indeed, there is a common Chinese quip (not sure if it's common in other countries as well?) that the happiest person on the podium is the bronze medalist - the bronze medalist is just happy to podium, whiel the silver medalist can only think about how he/she could've potentially gotten gold. Edit: I guess it's not limited to China,since it appears to have originated in a 1995 study. http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/69/4/603/ | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Not true, actually. The silver-bronze difference is not nearly as pronounced as the gold-silver difference. Indeed, there is a common Chinese quip (not sure if it's common in other countries as well?) that the happiest person on the podium is the bronze medalist - the bronze medalist is just happy to podium, whiel the silver medalist can only think about how he/she could've potentially gotten gold. Edit: I guess it's not limited to China,since it appears to have originated in a 1995 study. http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/69/4/603/ This only compared bronze and silver, the bronze medalist isn't happier than the gold (or at least they weren't checking for that, but it would be very surprising). | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
And besides, it's a quip, which inherently implies it's not some rigorous maxim  Anyways 5-2-1 feels right to me as a ranking methodology, a good alternative to ranking by golds. Ranking by total medal count is the dumbest thing though. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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