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qtiehunter
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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mordek
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qtiehunter
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samthesaluki
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:03 samthesaluki wrote: yor free to cast my low elo play anytime lol Can't if you're banned, bro. As far as I know we'll be casting tonight; not sure what yet. If you want us to cast your inhouses then try coordinating with us rather than just starting one and hoping we show up! Also I demand moar feedback. We haven't gotten enough so far and I really want to be sure we're sufficiently prepared when the time comes. Blast us with how shitty we are if you must; I promise we can take it. We know you'll be behind us when it comes time to vote and whatnot, but before that happens, please just treat us as if you saw some mediocre casters doing IPL or something. What would you be saying if you were one of the 15k people then? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 24 2012 07:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Can't if you're banned, bro. As far as I know we'll be casting tonight; not sure what yet. If you want us to cast your inhouses then try coordinating with us rather than just starting one and hoping we show up! Also I demand moar feedback. We haven't gotten enough so far and I really want to be sure we're sufficiently prepared when the time comes. Blast us with how shitty we are if you must; I promise we can take it. We know you'll be behind us when it comes time to vote and whatnot, but before that happens, please just treat us as if you saw some mediocre casters doing IPL or something. What would you be saying if you were one of the 15k people then? To go along with this (I said this on stream last night, but just to reiterate): we love hearing the support from everyone. But we really want to hear the criticisms. We are hyper-critical of ourselves, but we need to know what we can improve on in your eyes. | ||
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Chrispy
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
But the hardest criticism I can levy is about the time when Wave prodded Soniv about actually knowing ability names. Names are a fairly trivial matter (I've never heard a caster even mention burning agony by name) but it kind of degraded Soniv. When you're trying to prove yourselves as casters you don't want to say things that actively call into question your casting abilities during the cast itself of all things! I guess my last suggestion is not to rely solely on us for criticism. We're all colored by what we like and don't like in casters and I'm certainly not an expert. If not enough responses come from here get criticism from more communities because even the mobafire folks might say "that wasn't funny!" and be helpful. Plop down IRL friends in front of the monitor who don't play LoL and ask if it's interesting if you have to. Most importantly though look at casters you love (no matter the game) and pay attention to what they're doing. Study the parts which make you really love them. Then do whatever it takes to be able to do that yourself. I could yammer on but the short of it is that most people (myself included) might be able to make some minor corrections, and those can help, but a big part of it is your own motivation to cast like the best. I'm sure you know that already but it doesn't hurt to hear it more than once. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
First time i actually see one of your casts. The only real problem I have so far is that your voices sound so much alike ~.~ You also seem to not really know what to talk about in the pregame. Granted, few people can do that, the 3min delay so long.. €: If you rewind and decribe what happened earlier, please do it either on the one that does the camera, or describe what's going on properly. €2: You might want to look into casting without directed camera. Also, pressing mousewheel and then moving it to the side looks much smoother than moving the cursor to the sides. €3: I also think that using ability names is almost always good. But that's purely preference. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 24 2012 08:50 phyvo wrote: Going over the few vods you had on youtube (since I always miss it live) it's hard for me to really pick out one thing. The sona/iamthethis jokes are not really suitable for casting if you were to do a more formal tournament/live event. You're pretty good at keeping things flowing minus a few pauses in one or two of the vods. There is a lot of "X will be hard to deal with". But the hardest criticism I can levy is about the time when Wave prodded Soniv about actually knowing ability names. Names are a fairly trivial matter (I've never heard a caster even mention burning agony by name) but it kind of degraded Soniv. When you're trying to prove yourselves as casters you don't want to say things that actively call into question your casting abilities during the cast itself of all things! I guess my last suggestion is not to rely solely on us for criticism. We're all colored by what we like and don't like in casters and I'm certainly not an expert. If not enough responses come from here get criticism from more communities because even the mobafire folks might say "that wasn't funny!" and be helpful. Plop down IRL friends in front of the monitor who don't play LoL and ask if it's interesting if you have to. Most importantly though look at casters you love (no matter the game) and pay attention to what they're doing. Study the parts which make you really love them. Then do whatever it takes to be able to do that yourself. I could yammer on but the short of it is that most people (myself included) might be able to make some minor corrections, and those can help, but a big part of it is your own motivation to cast like the best. I'm sure you know that already but it doesn't hurt to hear it more than once. Wow Phyvo, this is great stuff, thanks. Going to go over what I think, piece by piece: Jokes - Clearly you've never heard Wombat casting. While I do agree with you somewhat, in the end it really just depends on our audience and who we're casting for. If AHGL wants us to keep it completely clean I'm pretty sure we can do that, but a few off-colour jokes in my opinion aren't too bad. I like when people pick out what we say too much though. Helps to keep us on our toes. About the ability names thing: I didn't mean it with any seriousness. Soniv and I rag on each other a lot ingame and out and I suppose I figured bringing some of that into the cast might help show off chemistry and whatnot. You're right that I probably shouldn't be pointing out what we suck at during the casts though, even if it is in an informal setting. I'm self-deprecating enough as is, and probably shouldn't draw attention to that stuff. We won't be relying only on you guys for criticism, we promise, but for now you guys are the only ones who watch us! If you want to help spread the word that might help us out a bit both in terms of popularity and that criticism. (I know people will probably suggest Reddit, but it's notoriously hard to get anything seen/evaluated there.) We will be creating a Twitter account later I think. Watching one of your vids on youtube, 5 mins in. First time i actually see one of your casts. The only real problem I have so far is that your voices sound so much alike ~.~ You also seem to not really know what to talk about in the pregame. Granted, few people can do that, the 3min delay so long.. €: If you rewind and decribe what happened earlier, please do it either on the one that does the camera, or describe what's going on properly. Pregame talk is easier when you're casting proteams because you know the personalities and the strategies those teams like to bring to the table; you have a plethora of things to talk about. As far as rewinding goes, we definitely know that's something that needs work and I recently discussed it with Ares and some other people. Great feedback so far guys, keep it coming! | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
About the ability names thing: I didn't mean it with any seriousness. Soniv and I rag on each other a lot ingame and out and I suppose I figured bringing some of that into the cast might help show off chemistry and whatnot. You're right that I probably shouldn't be pointing out what we suck at during the casts though, even if it is in an informal setting. I'm self-deprecating enough as is, and probably shouldn't draw attention to that stuff. This reminds me of another sutiation: Rotterdam and Nightend casting at HSC3. Rotti and Nightend are really good friends from the wc3 days, and rotti is the kind of guy that likes to... tease his friends. He doesn't mean bad, and nightend knows that. Anyone that knows Rotti knows that. But when he casted HSC3 he was still relatively unknown to the majority of casual viewers. He got a RIDICULOUS amount of flak for being a "dick" to nightend all the time. Even though it was no big deal The story: People that don't know you, they also don't know if you are joking or not. I dunno if that saying is translateable into English, but on certain things, you need to expect catering to the "most stupid customer possible" | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
@camera control: Yes, we've talked about it a few times. It's just something I need to practice with. It's a little awkward because Wave does most of the play-by-plays in fights, so if we rewind, I may just have to take over a fight play by play so you guys can see it. Also, my middle-mouse is my push to talk, so I may need to figure out something for smoother camera control. I've also noticed a lot of the downfalls of directed camera since I've used it a lot recently. Again, just something I'll have to practice. @skill names: I was the one who originally poked at Wave for using the skill names. I personally dislike it when casters use only the names because I don't always take the time to memorize them all. It's always "Zyra Q" or "Janna Ult" instead of "Blossom" and "Monsoon". It's just the way my mind works for most of them. It's something to consider and think about, but it's good feedback. @teasing each other: One thing I really want throughout all of this is for both of us to keep our personalities. People seem to like us for our chemistry, and we both are able to be sarcastic and poke fun at each other. I don't necessarily want to be completely tight-knit, straight shooting, no-personality voices. It's possible we can be a bit more selective with our jokes (hell, we're just starting to stray away from swearing; baby steps), but I do want to stay colorful. @similar voices: Wave will just have to start letting his Canadian accent shine. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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CatharsisUT
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Sagamantha
United States339 Posts
On October 24 2012 10:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: Twitter account set up. @TLCastingGolems. Follow and shtuff! Hard to follow something that doesn't exist. :/ | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:32 TeuTeu wrote: Hard to follow something that doesn't exist. :/ but...but...I'm looking at it right now! | ||
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
Umm, I think I'd like to echo the sentiment that the two of you are kind of hard to tell apart voice-wise, which makes it harder to get the caster dynamics going because we can't be too sure who is saying what. The commentary you guys are providing was pretty good, played off each other pretty well. The game was wet and wild enough to provide lots of action, so you pretty much just needed to commentate on the stuff happening, however on low-action farm games, you may need to inject some humor into the casting. When I hear funny or interesting things being said, it makes me want to pay more attention even if there is less action. Maybe not on the scale of the monkey milk discussion, but throw the audience something just to make sure they're still listening. Another thing was that I'm sure you have a lot of knowledge about the game, item builds, decision-making, what a team or a certain champion will generally want to do, etc. Perhaps you didn't want to seem too tryhard or sound too know-it-all, but you probably do want people to say "his analysis is really good, he has so much knowledge and can communicate it well". Right now how many casters are respected in terms of analysis? Jatt, Dan Dinh maybe, current pros taking a break to cast, and not too many others. If you're not going for the more passionate over-the-top action casting, this may be a more natural niche to fill. I also think you shouldn't be too afraid to bring in insights or info from outside the current game, like when one guy said "I don't think I've ever seen dorans shields being stacked", the other guy might want to talk a little about the 2 doran/CDR boots vlad that seems to be seen everywhere on streams nowadays, or stanley's wacky 4 dshield Akali build. If you want some eyeballs and exposure on youtube etc, here's an idea, you could go over the recent s2 championships, pick out some interesting highlights and talk about them from a higher-level perspective, perhaps slow-mo some teamfights or whatever, where you can go over each player's decisions, who the AD carry is shooting, to save or use cc, to hold or blow summoner spells, etc. Just my two cents. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Anyone run into the 'Unable to load Spectator Data' error before? >.< | ||
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