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On January 28 2013 17:43 Gasty wrote:Good cast guys! I enjoyed watching it again. Sad about the crashes 
Always a pleasure, Gasty. GGWP
Dat Thresh LOL. JITP here I come again.
Roffles has the stuff from our casts actually made it onto JITP? Like, did you actually submit it?
I know I'm always bugging people for this sort of thing, but for those who have watched the cast or VOD, if there's anything you noticed that we suck at or that we need to work on (or even that you liked specifically), PLEASE let us know!
Always looking to improve in any way we can.
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You seemed less enthusiastic (or frantic, if you want) than the last close game you casted, but considering it was more steadily coming back fight after fight rather than manic action, I can get it.  Plus it's not like it's particularly a bad thing, just one I noticed without thinking about it during the cast.
(About the only one, actually, was too tired to be able to give a thorough debrieffing after the match. z.z I should just watch the VoDs when I'm fully awake.)
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On January 29 2013 05:37 Alaric wrote:You seemed less enthusiastic (or frantic, if you want) than the last close game you casted, but considering it was more steadily coming back fight after fight rather than manic action, I can get it. Plus it's not like it's particularly a bad thing, just one I noticed without thinking about it during the cast. (About the only one, actually, was too tired to be able to give a thorough debrieffing after the match. z.z I should just watch the VoDs when I'm fully awake.)
Well, we probably would have been a bit more enthusiastic about the turnaround if my game hadn't crashed right as the comeback fight started lol. Unfortunately I wasn't quick enough on my feet to think about rewinding to back before the fight (cuz I'm stupid and not used to using spec mode for everything like that). Oh well, live and learn.
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On January 29 2013 05:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 05:37 Alaric wrote:You seemed less enthusiastic (or frantic, if you want) than the last close game you casted, but considering it was more steadily coming back fight after fight rather than manic action, I can get it. Plus it's not like it's particularly a bad thing, just one I noticed without thinking about it during the cast. (About the only one, actually, was too tired to be able to give a thorough debrieffing after the match. z.z I should just watch the VoDs when I'm fully awake.) Well, we probably would have been a bit more enthusiastic about the turnaround if my game hadn't crashed right as the comeback fight started lol. Unfortunately I wasn't quick enough on my feet to think about rewinding to back before the fight (cuz I'm stupid and not used to using spec mode for everything like that). Oh well, live and learn.
Nah rewinding is a terrible call since we're not synced. Would create a 5-minute hell of 'ok what time are you at?'
I honestly think that we did pretty well given the crashes and adapted on the fly as best we could.
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You wouldn't have needed any of that 5-minute hell. Just let Soniv cast what was missed. You could have added commentary based on your memory of the fight (as you didn't miss it). Skip forward to live afterward, tadah.
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On January 31 2013 02:10 Seuss wrote:
You wouldn't have needed any of that 5-minute hell. Just let Soniv cast what was missed. You could have added commentary based on your memory of the fight (as you didn't miss it). Skip forward to live afterward, tadah.
If you skip forward to live you risk missing further action.
Without a separate cameraman to control that sort of thing it's really quite difficult if people are watching a(n almost) live match.
I suppose technically you could just fast forward to the place where you left off before rewinding, but again, real aggravating to coordinate that start point.
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There is that risk, but it's the sort of thing that they do in high profile tournaments without a second thought when they want to do an instant replay. There's some skill involved in judging the probability of action occurring during the replay, and the judgements made have not always been correct, but when you miss one of the single most important and exciting fights in the match that might be a good time to take a risk.
In the worst case, you could have had Soniv do a post-game analysis of that fight, only without Phreak's magic board.
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On January 31 2013 04:43 Seuss wrote:
There is that risk, but it's the sort of thing that they do in high profile tournaments without a second thought when they want to do an instant replay. There's some skill involved in judging the probability of action occurring during the replay, and the judgements made have not always been correct, but when you miss one of the single most important and exciting fights in the match that might be a good time to take a risk.
In the worst case, you could have had Soniv do a post-game analysis of that fight, only without Phreak's magic board.
Monte, high profile tournaments have a 3rd person doing the camera work. You have no idea how much easier it makes everything when you don't have to worry about following the action live yourself and you know someone capable is going to be on the same page as you, panning where you want to be and providing instant replay at a moment's notice.
You make a valid point, but I honestly doubt we are experienced enough to just fly back and check out the action at a moment's notice while trying to do everything ourselves without risk of fucking everything up. Especially since at the time we didn't know what caused the crash in the first place and we might have risked making it worse.
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I have plenty of idea, I've done casting before myself and am aware of how much having to talk while manipulating the camera splits your attention. I'm not suggesting this would be easy, but simply that it's a skill you can work on if you want to be better casters. It's fine if you don't feel ready for anything that difficult, but it's not the sort of skill you'll learn without trying it.
I'm pushing back so hard because you seemed very closed to attempting this sort of thing, when I see it as an important place for you two to grow and improve. Maybe not now, but certainly in the future.
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It's not that I was closed to doing so. I just didn't think fast enough, and when worrying about everything else going on, it didn't even cross my mind. Clearly inexperience on my part, and I do wish I had backtracked to see that particular fight.
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On January 31 2013 05:20 Seuss wrote:
I have plenty of idea, I've done casting before myself and am aware of how much having to talk while manipulating the camera splits your attention. I'm not suggesting this would be easy, but simply that it's a skill you can work on if you want to be better casters. It's fine if you don't feel ready for anything that difficult, but it's not the sort of skill you'll learn without trying it.
I'm pushing back so hard because you seemed very closed to attempting this sort of thing, when I see it as an important place for you two to grow and improve. Maybe not now, but certainly in the future.
Trust me, I appreciate the input. Personally this is an area that I just don't feel is necessary in terms of improvement since they don't even do this at the highest level. (Although it would improve 'mechanical spec mode skill' to be sure.)
There are a million other things I suck at and can improve at that to me seem much more important and have a lower chance of blowing a live cast to hell (ie vocabulary usage, not relying on cliches or fall-back 'safety phrases,' non-shitty analysis, your show helps with that!)
It's not that I was closed to doing so. I just didn't think fast enough, and when worrying about everything else going on, it didn't even cross my mind. Clearly inexperience on my part, and I do wish I had backtracked to see that particular fight.
It actually did cross my mind, but I didn't want to risk it, especially since I'm pretty sure since you're not actually in the game at that point, spec mode doesn't 'record' it, so there would have been no way for you to go back anyway. When this kind of thing happens, I know LoLReplay creates a separate file out of the second part of the game with anything previous to it lost.
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Hey guys, we're casting Google vs. E&Y at 2pm est (2 hrs from now.)
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Duoing with Soniv! He just hit plat so he's got nothing to lose!
Watch us fail!!
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We're casting Amazon vs. Curse at 05:00 GMT (+00:00) (~2.5 hours from now). Should be a great game.
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You guys got the good game this week. :O
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Game starting in a few minutes!!
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Casting Amazon vs. Google for AHGL in 15 min!
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You may want to edit the OP since you aren't doing sunday funday anymore and could advertise/put link to your "official" AHGL casting VoDs or stuff?
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On February 22 2013 22:14 Alaric wrote:
You may want to edit the OP since you aren't doing sunday funday anymore and could advertise/put link to your "official" AHGL casting VoDs or stuff?
Sounds like work.
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