Funny. When was the last time anyone said this about Flash? And yet, many have voiced their opinion that Flash was even more dominant. I love the bias and salt around here. The tears get more delicious by the day.

You sound like someone that just don't know Flash at all.

"Flash destroyed Starcraft" was absolutely a saying back in the day. People was complaining his inpenetrable defensive style make the game boring. And that was during the time where there are hundreds of pro players and dozens of teams, the peak of esports competitive scene.

Serral is the GOAT of SC2, but let's no push past the boundary.

I'll push past your arbitrary boundary if I want to. Had he never reached anywhere near the 91% match winrate Serral has been at for the last 18 months? "Peak of esports" at a time when SC was the only esport...lol. I think you mean peak of SC. That's also arguable. To me, the peak occurs at where the top talents peak, and there still exists plenty of money to be made in the scene. More mediocre players in an inflated player pool means nothing to me. You double the little league and minor league of baseball, that doesn't mean there's any more Ohtanis, Harpers, and Judge.

And when did the top talent peak in sc2? Certainly not now where only 2 out of the all time best 10 players are left as top competitors according to Miz' list (I know Rogue and soO are technically back again but not really)

Its all about absolute vs relative in These discussion i feel, on an absolute scale Players are better rn i'd say, on a relative scale Not really (also its way less competitive).

Even on an absolute scale I don't think the average player is better then let's say 5 years ago. Serral is, but Dark for example was clearly playing better 5 years ago and he thinks that too

Mostly the Younger Players are, the older ones have age showing.

So 3 players (arguably 2 as Reynor is struggling right now).
Doesn't warrant the thesis "the top talent is peaking right now" imo

Captain Peabody

United States3136 Posts

August 18 2024 14:10 GMT

#1046

TvP once they get Ghost-Lib is just disgusting

Topin

Peru10128 Posts

August 18 2024 14:10 GMT

#1047

europe too strong

Nasigil1

114 Posts

August 18 2024 14:11 GMT

#1048

On August 18 2024 22:56 darklycid wrote:

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Showtime vs Gumi g1 still exists.

Nah, I vastly prefer herO vs Clem over a game that thoroughly showing how Showtime has no idea how to play base trade.

DBooN

Germany2727 Posts

August 18 2024 14:12 GMT

#1049

On August 18 2024 23:11 Nasigil1 wrote:

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Nah, I vastly prefer herO vs Clem over a game that thoroughly showing how Showtime has no idea how to play base trade.

Showtime played the basetrade way better though. He was against a terran with an insanely better army and it came down to 2 marauders vs 3 stalkers and probes.

fLyiNgDroNe

Belgium4116 Posts

August 18 2024 14:12 GMT

#1050

wow ... remember there was a time when Clem was struggling in tvp, what a beast he has become
EDIT: ah right, thank you maxy paxy

Zergiica

Croatia128 Posts

August 18 2024 14:13 GMT

#1051

just make sc2 TWO races game and GG. Protoss is way weaker, players need 20+% better skill to win. Clem should've never win game3, absolutely never! disgrace.

argonautdice

Canada2722 Posts

August 18 2024 14:13 GMT

#1052

On August 18 2024 23:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
wow ... remember there was a time when Clem was struggling in tvp, what a beast he has become

a consequence of playing MaxPax in a tournament every week

Blitzball04

191 Posts

August 18 2024 14:13 GMT

#1053

There goes our Protoss hope

Sent.

Poland9331 Posts

August 18 2024 14:13 GMT

#1054

On August 18 2024 21:20 EquilasH wrote:

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I'd be very surprised if Clem vs Hero is gonna be a 4-0 either way.

It would be a surprising result to me too, but it's looking more and more likely

WombaT

Northern Ireland27351 Posts

August 18 2024 14:14 GMT

#1055

On August 18 2024 23:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
wow ... remember there was a time when Clem was struggling in tvp, what a beast he has become

I guess it was a matter of time given how scarily good he is mechanically, but he’s definitely improved quite a bit in the last while

VladSlymor

80 Posts

August 18 2024 14:14 GMT

#1056

On August 18 2024 23:13 Zergiica wrote:
just make sc2 TWO races game and GG. Protoss is way weaker, players need 20+% better skill to win. Clem should've never win game3, absolutely never! disgrace.

Imagine thinking that...can we remember hero fails a 4 gate all-in while lsosing 10 probes and still makes it a game thanks to one fight?

darklycid

3561 Posts

August 18 2024 14:14 GMT

#1057

Btw is there any unit lotv added that was actually good for the Game? I guess the lurker.

Azzur

Australia6267 Posts

August 18 2024 14:14 GMT

#1058

It's 3-0 so far, but a MUCH different compared to Serral vs Dark

tigera6

3515 Posts

August 18 2024 14:14 GMT

#1059

The type of game that herO playing, Clem practices against that hunderds if not thousands of time against MaxPax, who is better than herO at that. 3 games in a row herO made no Storm, no Stargate transition and just rely on the Disruptor hit to deal damage is a very naive gameplan.

Perceivere

131 Posts

August 18 2024 14:14 GMT

#1060

Might be a hot take, but me thinks Clem will take the trophy. He's just too damn good right now. Holy...