EPTIn Katowice he caught Maru's pants down with two Roach push games. This time it's the Ultra rush and the Nydus/Roach combo in last game. Maru on the other hand was like "just let me get to late game pls". Not even a proxy Barracks. Come on.
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Nasigil1
114 Posts
In Katowice he caught Maru's pants down with two Roach push games. This time it's the Ultra rush and the Nydus/Roach combo in last game. Maru on the other hand was like "just let me get to late game pls". Not even a proxy Barracks. Come on. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1162 Posts
it's plainly obvious that zerg macro is busted, that protoss can't keep up at the highest level, and that playing terran breaks your wrists - but the whole discussion gets polluted by emotional arguments about *your favourite player is the GOAT* or which tournaments matter. no hate towards Serral, just disappointment with the game. it's stupid that zerg can consistently produce enough units to A-move into a world-class opponent - all things being equal, with passive early / early-mid game - and just steamroll them with very little effort and even less counterplay. terran is supposed to be the timing attack race - but zerg has equally strong timing attacks in that matchup, plus a bunch of other major advantages. all 3 races should be more equally taxing and rewarding when it comes to both micro and macro. asymmetric balance should not = asymmetric skill people have tuned out because SC2 gives us boring finals back-to-back-to-back, for years on end. balance council need to be less content about tip-toeing around the fundamental issues that are holding back competitive SC2 | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
Why would ESL follow liquipedia's arbitrary tournament ranking? Who knows, but at least that could be an explanation. | ||
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Perceivere
133 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:04 SHODAN wrote: the GOAT discussion is cringe. Serral fanboys are cringe. Mizenhauer is cringe. Artosis is cringe. the special favourite trophies are cringe. the foreigner circlejerk is cringe. the Korea / GSL supremacy is cringe it's plainly obvious that zerg macro is busted, that protoss can't keep up at the highest level, and that playing terran breaks your wrists - but the whole discussion gets polluted by emotional arguments about *your favourite player is the GOAT* or which tournaments matter. no hate towards Serral, just disappointment with the game. it's stupid that zerg can consistently produce enough units to A-move into a world-class opponent - all things being equal, with passive early / early-mid game - and just steamroll them with very little effort and even less counterplay. terran is supposed to be the timing attack race - but zerg has equally strong timing attacks in that matchup, plus a bunch of other major advantages. all 3 races should be more equally taxing and rewarding when it comes to both micro and macro. asymmetric balance should not = asymmetric skill people have tuned out because SC2 gives us boring finals back-to-back-to-back, for years on end. balance council need to be less content about tip-toeing around the fundamental issues that are holding back competitive SC2 Hello, Mr. Anti-Cringe. Could you please explain how Dark and other zergs are failing to "produce enough units to A-move into" Maru and Clem? Just curious of what the light of your mastered knowledge of the game balance could shine upon us cringy plebs. | ||
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LukaMav
28 Posts
On June 03 2024 07:56 Nasigil1 wrote: It’s funny how some people like to talk about "prep based tournament" all the time but every time Serral plays Maru, it's Serral that came prepared with map specific strategies and Maru looked completely clueless. In Katowice he caught Maru's pants down with two Roach push games. This time it's the Ultra rush and the Nydus/Roach combo in last game. Maru on the other hand was like "just let me get to late game pls". Not even a proxy Barracks. Come on. The narrative only works for GSL Maru getting stomped by Serral pretty standard. Maru is a tier below Serral for years. | ||
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LukaMav
28 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:04 SHODAN wrote: the GOAT discussion is cringe. Serral fanboys are cringe. Mizenhauer is cringe. Artosis is cringe. the special favourite trophies are cringe. the foreigner circlejerk is cringe. the Korea / GSL supremacy is cringe it's plainly obvious that zerg macro is busted, that protoss can't keep up at the highest level, and that playing terran breaks your wrists - but the whole discussion gets polluted by emotional arguments about *your favourite player is the GOAT* or which tournaments matter. no hate towards Serral, just disappointment with the game. it's stupid that zerg can consistently produce enough units to A-move into a world-class opponent - all things being equal, with passive early / early-mid game - and just steamroll them with very little effort and even less counterplay. terran is supposed to be the timing attack race - but zerg has equally strong timing attacks in that matchup, plus a bunch of other major advantages. all 3 races should be more equally taxing and rewarding when it comes to both micro and macro. asymmetric balance should not = asymmetric skill people have tuned out because SC2 gives us boring finals back-to-back-to-back, for years on end. balance council need to be less content about tip-toeing around the fundamental issues that are holding back competitive SC2 Crying about Zerg is OP is cringe. Terran has been proven to be the easiest and most forgiving race for years Maru is hardly world class in anything beside turtling Micro and macro Clem/Byun/Oliveria are miles better than Maru. Maru is just good at dragging games to cancer boring late game situations | ||
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Perceivere
133 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:24 Perceivere wrote: Well, that first 8 rax was pretty much picture-perfect. It was Clem-level of terran perfection. Maru hasn't quite matched that, tbh. What Maru is better at is lategame. Really shows Oli has been practicing very hard. Oh, how well my comment aged. Maru indeed couldn't match Oli/Clem's early-mid games. Or, at least, he didn't even try to; he was trying so hard to survive until lategame, where it is his bread and butter. Quick correction of the quoted comment: I meant that Maru's lategame is better than Oli's, not better than Clem's; they're roughly equal in that aspect. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1162 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:10 Perceivere wrote: Hello, Mr. Anti-Cringe. Could you please explain how Dark and other zergs are failing to "produce enough units to A-move into" Maru and Clem? Just curious of what the light of your mastered knowledge of the game balance could shine upon us cringy plebs. Dark? he is too busy teching to infestors on 35 army supply | ||
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Topin
Peru10129 Posts
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Perceivere
133 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:27 SHODAN wrote: Dark? he is too busy teching to infestors on 35 army supply I see, I see! Man, if only he had you as his coach, he would've realized that all he had to do was mass units and a-move. Please, someone, let Dark know about this brilliant Strategerie, so that Bliz's intern could get around to nerfing zerg again after Dark snatches all the GSLs from Maru! | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1162 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:14 LukaMav wrote: Maru is just good at dragging games to cancer boring late game situations in that case, why is Maru even trying to push Serral or hit timings before he has his boring lategame ultimate ghost army? surely he can just sit back, turtle and drag it out right? do you think Maru threw those games on purpose? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Telephone
United States149 Posts
On June 03 2024 07:56 Nasigil1 wrote: It’s funny how some people like to talk about "prep based tournament" all the time but every time Serral plays Maru, it's Serral that came prepared with map specific strategies and Maru looked completely clueless. In Katowice he caught Maru's pants down with two Roach push games. This time it's the Ultra rush and the Nydus/Roach combo in last game. Maru on the other hand was like "just let me get to late game pls". Not even a proxy Barracks. Come on. I mean, that's kinda exactly the point that argument is trying to make, for what it's worth. | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary418 Posts
at this point it's obvious that they have updated and tweaked the firmware in the past weeks and i suspect they even upgraded the hardware Serral good unit again, no one a-moves like him <3 | ||
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ZAWGURN
96 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1381 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:33 SHODAN wrote: in that case, why is Maru even trying to push Serral or hit timings before he has his boring lategame ultimate ghost army? surely he can just sit back, turtle and drag it out right? do you think Maru threw those games on purpose? Makes you wonder how Oliveira managed to produce a pretty close 2-3 against Serral through all that Zerg OPness. So you are basically saying Maru just sucks? That's cringe dude  On June 03 2024 08:39 ZAWGURN wrote: I do wonder if a continued Serral dominance could hurt the game, if it might become boring to watch the same person win every tournament. Of course Serral is the best and he deserves it, I just wonder if it’s a possibility. I mean, it definetly could be a problem, but I doubt it. AoE 2 got dominated by Viper for years and interest was growing, not declining. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
Good job Serral, massive ESWC favorite. | ||
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darklycid
3562 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:39 Nakajin wrote: Seems like I made the right fan boy decision skipping that final lol Good job Serral, massive ESWC favorite. Except he meets oliveira again  | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
On June 03 2024 06:38 Nasigil1 wrote: Did they just give a special GOAT trophy to Serral Edit: okay it's the special one for 10 ESL. They mentioned multiple times "how can anyone doubt this man to be the greatest of all time", they are taking the TL series personally lol Its was the best series ever. S2 MIZ!!! | ||
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ZAWGURN
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