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Perceivere
Profile Joined February 2024
133 Posts
June 02 2024 21:44 GMT
#821
Don't worry, guys, the gOaT still has his 8th GSL trophy to collect. There is no Serral there, so nothing to worry about.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
June 02 2024 21:44 GMT
#822
On June 03 2024 06:40 tigera6 wrote:
Seriously Maru need to look at his own build order at this point, the fact that hes ALWAYS die to a max-out army push while being down 30-40 army supply is just stupid. Hes trying to get more workers, extra CC and additional upgrade at the same time bit him in the ass too many times and he still hasnt learned. Onsyde need to address it, stop wiping it away like Maru would figure it out eventually, because he hasnt.

I agree.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1381 Posts
June 02 2024 21:45 GMT
#823
Starcraft 2 is a simple game: Three races battle it out and in the end Serral wins.

"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3562 Posts
June 02 2024 21:46 GMT
#824
Oh boy i do look forward for another week of goat discussions again always so nice to follow.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
June 02 2024 21:47 GMT
#825
On June 03 2024 06:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I do hope that Maru can think about why he lost to Serral at Kato and Dallas and come back in better shape for EWC.

On the other hand I do think that Maru is probably unable to practice with Zergs of Serral's caliber. Dark, Solar, Ragnarok are obviously not on Serral's level. I think back in 2021 or earlier, playing all those games vs Rogue and Dark (who was better back then imo) was good practice for playing against Serral. And if that is part of the problem, I don't really see a way to solve it.

He's on a team with Solar, and pretty sure Reynor would be happy to spar with him as long as he's in Korea. If that isn't enough practice, I guess just pay Solar and Dark to archon mode against him

I mean... Oliveira doesn't have any Zerg worth playing against at all in China, and was far far sharper. Serral looked extremely vulnerable to the 8-rax. Maru took 1 attempt at an 8-rax and it was his halfhearted backup plan and looked absolutely awful. You aren't going to tell me that Maru cannot 8-rax. It's just Serral living in Maru's head at this point.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
June 02 2024 21:48 GMT
#826
At this point, I have to say that right now I find SC2 to be a far more exciting game when Serral is NOT playing.
Nasigil1
Profile Joined March 2024
114 Posts
June 02 2024 21:48 GMT
#827
I am patiently awaits those people that still insist "GSL is harder, Serral needs to come to Korea to prove himself"

The entirety of Korean Starcraft needs to prove themselves worthy of Serral's attention right now. Oliveira was by far his biggest challenge this tournament, while Shin/herO/Maru was just cakewalks.
Nasigil1
Profile Joined March 2024
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 21:49:41
June 02 2024 21:49 GMT
#828
On June 03 2024 06:47 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 06:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I do hope that Maru can think about why he lost to Serral at Kato and Dallas and come back in better shape for EWC.

On the other hand I do think that Maru is probably unable to practice with Zergs of Serral's caliber. Dark, Solar, Ragnarok are obviously not on Serral's level. I think back in 2021 or earlier, playing all those games vs Rogue and Dark (who was better back then imo) was good practice for playing against Serral. And if that is part of the problem, I don't really see a way to solve it.

He's on a team with Solar, and pretty sure Reynor would be happy to spar with him as long as he's in Korea. If that isn't enough practice, I guess just pay Solar and Dark to archon mode against him

I mean... Oliveira doesn't have any Zerg worth playing against at all in China, and was far far sharper. Serral looked extremely vulnerable to the 8-rax. Maru took 1 attempt at an 8-rax and it was his halfhearted backup plan and looked absolutely awful. You aren't going to tell me that Maru cannot 8-rax. It's just Serral living in Maru's head at this point.


Oliveira practices with Serral and Reynor all the time my dude. That's why he looked so sharp this tournament, he's been sparring with the best.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
June 02 2024 21:49 GMT
#829
On June 03 2024 06:47 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 06:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I do hope that Maru can think about why he lost to Serral at Kato and Dallas and come back in better shape for EWC.

On the other hand I do think that Maru is probably unable to practice with Zergs of Serral's caliber. Dark, Solar, Ragnarok are obviously not on Serral's level. I think back in 2021 or earlier, playing all those games vs Rogue and Dark (who was better back then imo) was good practice for playing against Serral. And if that is part of the problem, I don't really see a way to solve it.

He's on a team with Solar, and pretty sure Reynor would be happy to spar with him as long as he's in Korea. If that isn't enough practice, I guess just pay Solar and Dark to archon mode against him

I mean... Oliveira doesn't have any Zerg worth playing against at all in China, and was far far sharper. Serral looked extremely vulnerable to the 8-rax. Maru took 1 attempt at an 8-rax and it was his halfhearted backup plan and looked absolutely awful. You aren't going to tell me that Maru cannot 8-rax. It's just Serral living in Maru's head at this point.



The desk and Olivera both said multiple times how olivera and serral practise together.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3562 Posts
June 02 2024 21:49 GMT
#830
On June 03 2024 06:48 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
At this point, I have to say that right now I find SC2 to be a far more exciting game when Serral is NOT playing.

So you didnt watch the oliveira series.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3139 Posts
June 02 2024 21:51 GMT
#831
I will say, shout out and respect to Oliveira for proving against all the naysayers that he's still an absolutely world-class player when it counts. and for giving Serral the hardest time of anyone.
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jack_less
Profile Joined May 2022
80 Posts
June 02 2024 21:51 GMT
#832
On June 03 2024 06:48 Nasigil1 wrote:

The entirety of Korean Starcraft needs to prove themselves worthy of Serral's attention right now. Oliveira was by far his biggest challenge this tournament, while Shin/herO/Maru was just cakewalks.


maru, her0, Shin, cure are going for a year to play in ESL Europe.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33713 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 21:54:31
June 02 2024 21:51 GMT
#833
I think it's pretty cool that ESL is doing career milestone trophies, but including EPT/DHM Europe is pretty dicey cause Oliveira is also at 10 if you include regionals.

Obv there's some subjective lines you have to draw when you're handing out trophies like this (I think it's ridiculous that GomTV included their "world championship" as part of MVP's G5L), but it feels icky and bad optics to say only the EU regional "counts."

Ofc they can just solve this by awarding Oliveira his own E10L trophy at the EWC
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
June 02 2024 21:53 GMT
#834
On June 03 2024 06:51 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's pretty cool that ESL is doing career milestone trophies, but including EPT/DHM Europe is pretty dicey cause Oliveira is also at 10 in that case

Should have given Special one too.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
June 02 2024 21:53 GMT
#835
On June 03 2024 06:51 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's pretty cool that ESL is doing career milestone trophies, but including EPT/DHM Europe is pretty dicey cause Oliveira is also at 10 in that case



they just want to hype up their fav player, do not look too much into it
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
June 02 2024 21:54 GMT
#836
On June 03 2024 06:40 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 06:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I do hope that Maru can think about why he lost to Serral at Kato and Dallas and come back in better shape for EWC.

On the other hand I do think that Maru is probably unable to practice with Zergs of Serral's caliber. Dark, Solar, Ragnarok are obviously not on Serral's level. I think back in 2021 or earlier, playing all those games vs Rogue and Dark (who was better back then imo) was good practice for playing against Serral. And if that is part of the problem, I don't really see a way to solve it.

maybe he can go to europe for some weeks in vitality bootcamp and practise with eu zergs

Honestly yeah, playing Serral on ladder daily could help him get past the mental block.
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La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
June 02 2024 21:54 GMT
#837
Serral now holds a 76% series win rate vs Maru... god damn
pff
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 21:55:43
June 02 2024 21:55 GMT
#838
On June 03 2024 06:49 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 06:47 Acrofales wrote:
On June 03 2024 06:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I do hope that Maru can think about why he lost to Serral at Kato and Dallas and come back in better shape for EWC.

On the other hand I do think that Maru is probably unable to practice with Zergs of Serral's caliber. Dark, Solar, Ragnarok are obviously not on Serral's level. I think back in 2021 or earlier, playing all those games vs Rogue and Dark (who was better back then imo) was good practice for playing against Serral. And if that is part of the problem, I don't really see a way to solve it.

He's on a team with Solar, and pretty sure Reynor would be happy to spar with him as long as he's in Korea. If that isn't enough practice, I guess just pay Solar and Dark to archon mode against him

I mean... Oliveira doesn't have any Zerg worth playing against at all in China, and was far far sharper. Serral looked extremely vulnerable to the 8-rax. Maru took 1 attempt at an 8-rax and it was his halfhearted backup plan and looked absolutely awful. You aren't going to tell me that Maru cannot 8-rax. It's just Serral living in Maru's head at this point.



The desk and Olivera both said multiple times how olivera and serral practise together.

Doesn't that kinda prove the point? Oliveira apparently needs to practice against Serral with some kind of ridiculous ping for both of them to get decent practice against hte other race. Bit weird for Serral (but maybe none of the Euro terrans want to play custom games, or it's his version of community service), but Oliveira has Dark on his team, but there's not really anybody else. Rex is probably the best zerg near China, and that is... not great
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1970 Posts
June 02 2024 21:55 GMT
#839
On June 03 2024 06:54 La1 wrote:
Serral now holds a 76% series win rate vs Maru... god damn


Next article is gonna be titled: GOAT Addendum: Serral and the perception of Maru
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
June 02 2024 21:57 GMT
#840
On June 03 2024 06:53 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 06:51 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's pretty cool that ESL is doing career milestone trophies, but including EPT/DHM Europe is pretty dicey cause Oliveira is also at 10 in that case

Should have given Special one too.

Kelazhur and Astrea might be close too?
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