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Perceivere
133 Posts
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1162 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1275 Posts
On June 03 2024 09:52 argonautdice wrote: So the two best players of the tournament were Serral and Serral's practice partner. Makes me wonder how many times Oliveira 8-raxed Serral during practice. Some guy™ on Reddit wrote that Oliveira told the Chinese community that his recent practice sessions with Serral went relatively well, as in, Oliveira fared better than in some periods of the past year, where he would go 20-120. | ||
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Perceivere
133 Posts
On June 03 2024 10:33 Antithesis wrote: Some guy™ on Reddit wrote that Oliveira told the Chinese community that his recent practice sessions with Serral went relatively well, as in, Oliveira fared better than in some periods of the past year, where he would go 20-120. Stellewind? He's on here, too. Here's his whole comment: {I wasn't surprised really. I am Chinese so I got a lot of second hand Oliveira information in Chinese streams. He practiced with Serral all the time, and is able to frequently take maps off him in practice now. Don't laugh, considering he admits some time last year he went 10-220 against Serral in practice for a month, this is quite an improvement. He used to say he has no hope against Serral all the time, but recently he's been saying "I actually might have a chance", based on the practice experience. I am happy that he proved himself a world champ level player again, especially with Maru's final as a comparison immediately after. Oliveira's series against Reynor and Serral in this tournament are some of the highest level TvZ in years, right up there with those Serral vs Clem series. It was a really hard fought battle, Serral had to grind out all 3 wins with every thing he had.} | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1275 Posts
On June 03 2024 10:36 Perceivere wrote: Stellewind? He's on here, too. Here's his whole comment: {I wasn't surprised really. I am Chinese so I got a lot of second hand Oliveira information in Chinese streams. He practiced with Serral all the time, and is able to frequently take maps off him in practice now. Don't laugh, considering he admits some time last year he went 10-220 against Serral in practice for a month, this is quite an improvement. He used to say he has no hope against Serral all the time, but recently he's been saying "I actually might have a chance", based on the practice experience. I am happy that he proved himself a world champ level player again, especially with Maru's final as a comparison immediately after. Oliveira's series against Reynor and Serral in this tournament are some of the highest level TvZ in years, right up there with those Serral vs Clem series. It was a really hard fought battle, Serral had to grind out all 3 wins with every thing he had.} Yep, this one. Didn't know he is active here, too. Thanks for posting. Oh, Oliveira actually only went 10-220 during that time; that's yet direr than what I remembered. Winning 1 game out of 7 (20-120) wouldn't even be that bad against Serral, I guess. Anyway, they seem to practice a good deal. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
Also man gotta have a hell of a mentality to be a progamer | ||
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Nasigil1
114 Posts
On June 03 2024 11:04 WombaT wrote: It’s thoroughly mental to me that a player good enough to be World Champion is going something like 10-220 against anyone else in the scene Also man gotta have a hell of a mentality to be a progamer I am the reddit poster in the comment above. It's crazy to me too, hearing Oliveira complaining about Serral being literally unbeatable in practice for the whole year last year. It got to a point when he doesn't even hope to beat Serral anymore, just trying to see how much he can deplete Serral's bank when he lose. But most of the time when he tap out, he would check replay and see Serral still floats thousands of minerals and gas. He felt very defeated. It's this year that we started to hear him talk about "hey I actually beat Serral in practice multiple times the other day". Makes it all the more rewarding to see he can actually stand his ground and gave Serral a proper nail biting close series, even came very close to actually beat him. The balance patch and map pool definitely helped, not denying that, but man has been putting in the work and it shows. | ||
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goldensail
132 Posts
all-in and pray it works | ||
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Gescom
Canada3521 Posts
On June 03 2024 12:19 goldensail wrote: Terran playbook against Serral from now on: all-in and pray it works Has it ever been any different? Heh. Lots of commentary about "Maru should take it to the late game vs Serral"... but I feel like the best Maru has looked historically is when he's mixing in proxy 2-raxes and other hyper aggression semi-regularly. /shrug | ||
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HeroSandro
542 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1275 Posts
On June 03 2024 11:13 Nasigil1 wrote: I am the reddit poster in the comment above. It's crazy to me too, hearing Oliveira complaining about Serral being literally unbeatable in practice for the whole year last year. It got to a point when he doesn't even hope to beat Serral anymore, just trying to see how much he can deplete Serral's bank when he lose. But most of the time when he tap out, he would check replay and see Serral still floats thousands of minerals and gas. He felt very defeated. It's this year that we started to hear him talk about "hey I actually beat Serral in practice multiple times the other day". Makes it all the more rewarding to see he can actually stand his ground and gave Serral a proper nail biting close series, even came very close to actually beat him. The balance patch and map pool definitely helped, not denying that, but man has been putting in the work and it shows. Oh, cool to read that you're actually the original poster of the comment I was referring to. Thanks for the insights from Oliveira's perspective! | ||
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iRkSupperman
Norway140 Posts
On June 03 2024 08:50 Perceivere wrote: Each time Serral is playing, the viewercount for the stream sharply rises. When he's not playing, it sharply falls. When he's knocked out of the tournament, the viewercount falls off a cliff. Every youtube-uploaded video where Serral is featured gets a massive view bump over all other players. I think Serral has the opposite effect on the game, overall. Of course, there's the sad fanboys who will tune out while Serral's playing, because they can't stand to see him dominate again, but they're in the small minority. Twitch had 15k, Twitch costreamers a few thousand, and Youtube 6k viewers during the grand final. That's laughably low really. | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
On June 03 2024 15:32 iRkSupperman wrote: Twitch had 15k, Twitch costreamers a few thousand, and Youtube 6k viewers during the grand final. That's laughably low really. It happened in the middle of the night for europe. Before a business day. What did you expect? | ||
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4561 Posts
On June 03 2024 06:35 dysenterymd wrote: Serral lost 1 map in Katowice and lost 2 in Dallas. Military slump confirmed! Literally doubled the amount of lost games this tournament. He really fell off. I can see where Mizenhaur is coming from now. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On June 03 2024 16:23 Branch.AUT wrote: It happened in the middle of the night for europe. Before a business day. What did you expect? Don't make excuses like this. We have to be honest with ourselves that our scene is way more niche than ever. | ||
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Perceivere
133 Posts
On June 03 2024 16:56 MJG wrote: Don't make excuses like this. We have to be honest with ourselves that our scene is way more niche than ever. As much as I would love our scene to grow, RTS is a genre for thinkers and people with fast logical processing. The average person has an IQ around 100 in developed countries. This already precludes the vast majority of people from enjoying watching the game, never mind playing it. And then, you factor in the fact that it's only one of several RTS games, and this is what we get. Chess is simple enough, and doesn't require the additional factor of having extreme dexterity, so it's much more approachable than a fast-paced RTS replete with complex in-game mechanics, keyboard/mouse control mechanics, and stats/computation. In the final analysis, this small but very passionate and engaged viewership is to be expected. I'm fine with it, as long as great players continue to stick to the game, and not abandon it, and maybe some new faces join the fray. I'm currently loving SC2 far more than I ever did around its launch date and even HotS. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1970 Posts
On June 03 2024 18:37 Perceivere wrote: As much as I would love our scene to grow, RTS is a genre for thinkers and people with fast logical processing. The average person has an IQ around 100 in developed countries. This already precludes the vast majority of people from enjoying watching the game, never mind playing it. And then, you factor in the fact that it's only one of several RTS games, and this is what we get. Chess is simple enough, and doesn't require the additional factor of having extreme dexterity, so it's much more approachable than a fast-paced RTS replete with complex in-game mechanics, keyboard/mouse control mechanics, and stats/computation. In the final analysis, this small but very passionate and engaged viewership is to be expected. I'm fine with it, as long as great players continue to stick to the game, and not abandon it, and maybe some new faces join the fray. I'm currently loving SC2 far more than I ever did around its launch date and even HotS. I think the "sc2 players are smart(ish)" narrative needs to go away after the thousands of nonsensical replies regarding Maru/Serral. | ||
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Perceivere
133 Posts
On June 03 2024 18:45 Mizenhauer wrote: I think the "sc2 players are smart(ish)" narrative needs to go away after the thousands of nonsensical replies regarding Maru/Serral. Maybe my standard is extremely high, but I generally regard the average college student as pretty stupid, and they're supposed to represent the upper-mid-to-upper echelon of society intellectually. You get plenty of "stupid" opinions within the chess community as well when they debate about top players (of history). Besides, one man's "stupid" is another man's "insightful." It's mostly a matter of perspective. Regardless, a highly complex game does require above average IQ to really enjoy. That's not really a matter of opinion. You can't enjoy math if you struggled to do simple arithmetic by the end of high school. Now, if you're to debate whether abstract algebra (and other pure math topics) has any real-world usefulness, you're going to run into a lot of "stupid" or "ignorant" arguments made by people well above average intelligence...when really, it's probably just a difference of perspectives. | ||
Poopi
France13023 Posts
And IQ can have a lot of variance for a single individual (sleep / mood / motivation etc.) I mean didn't Richard Feynman proved already that iQ is kinda bullshit to gauge intelligence? it's a tool, and like other tools, it's decent for some usages and not as good for others | ||
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