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Hello! Happy to announce the result of the GSL style group selection undertaken by Dark and our qualified players! The selection process (displayed above) was via a snake draft starting with Dark as the top seed (champion of the first edition). Dark then had a swap option at the end which he used, replacing HeRoMaRinE's choice herO with RagnaroK who was ShoWTimE's choice! Dark was not allowed to pick from first round drafts (HeRoMaRinE to ShoWTimE) to reduce veto IMBA. Main Event starts on Friday so be sure to tune in! Liquipedia page -  AfreecaTV Champions Cup/2ScheduleGroup Stage Day 1 - Friday, Jul 21 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Group A followed by Group B Group Stage Day 2 - Saturday, Jul 22 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Group D followed by Group C Playoffs - Sunday, Jul 23 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Streams Matcherino  IntoTheClan  Indy  ALGSReplay pack for the entire tournament (Main event and casted qualifier matches) available at $15 via the Matcherino Page.A big thank you to main sponsor AfreecaTV for making this happen! Do give them a follow after all their support for SC2!
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Group A is pretty sad for HM with 3 KR Zergs, group B has 3 World Champions in it, group C is a bit wild with Lambo picking MaxPax, and group D would be pretty full of PvT.
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Such a sick tournament, will be great to watch.
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Surprised Oliveira picked Reynor over Byun/Clem (if I'm reading the draft order right).
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On July 19 2023 02:18 Kashim wrote:
Dark was not allowed to pick from first round drafts (HeRoMaRinE to ShoWTimE) to reduce veto IMBA.
Hope this tweak makes it into ASL. (Also, groups look good).
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On July 19 2023 05:01 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2023 02:18 Kashim wrote:
Dark was not allowed to pick from first round drafts (HeRoMaRinE to ShoWTimE) to reduce veto IMBA.
Hope this tweak makes it into ASL. (Also, groups look good).
It's a great improvement. But to be honest the winner shouldn't get to swap at all. These groups are sick but it was even better pre-swap, which is of course because the point of the swap is to let one player make his group as weak as possible. The winners perk should be ... he won the last event! (Invitation is fine too).
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Honestly looks like one of the most stacked tournaments. Looking forward to seeing how our EU vs KR rivalry pans out this time.
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HM got punked by Dark early in both games.
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Is there a way to rewind video on AfreecaTV site? I missed first two series.
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Afreeca streams die so much for me I might actually have to work instead
on a FRIDAY
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On July 21 2023 19:55 Schelim wrote:
Afreeca streams die so much for me I might actually have to work instead
on a FRIDAY
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Great games by Heromarine!
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If heromarine had just focus fired the fifth in the first game vs Ragnarok would have been in a winning position - that hatch cannot have had more than 100hp
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On July 21 2023 19:55 Schelim wrote:
Afreeca streams die so much for me I might actually have to work instead
on a FRIDAY
Are you using the app? I was having problems until I downloaded the app
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Another day another tournament where almost every non Zerg get's fucking clapped by Zerg every game.
I know Serral is the GOAT but Jesus Christ Zerg looks strong.
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Serral vs Classic game 1 amazing
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It was good until Classic decided to go lategame Skytoss, and get picked apart by Serral. He almost won the game with the Archon Blink Stalker Disruptor timing.
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On July 21 2023 23:14 Beelzebub1 wrote:
Another day another tournament where almost every non Zerg get's fucking clapped by Zerg every game.
I know Serral is the GOAT but Jesus Christ Zerg looks strong. Did you really expect Heromarine to come out of the group with Dark / Solar / Ragnarok? He won one series today which is more or less what I expected from him.
Serral and Reynor are arguably two strongest players in their group - Serral was always 100% expected to make it and I'd give Reynor in his current form 80% chance to make it by winning vs anyone who's not Serral.
All players with a good chance vs Serral, Reynor and Dark are in groups C and D - Maru, Cure, Clem, Byan, MaxPax.
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these 2 are just on another level
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Serral v reynor probably the best player rivalry of all time. It's unreal. If you made a list of the 20 best zvzs in sc2 history I'm pretty sure reynor v serral games would make up fifteen of them
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Many of Dark vs Rogue games would be up there too.
In both cases it's players who know each other very well and play each other a lot - either being in the same team or participating in a lot of the same tournaments.
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On July 22 2023 00:29 Pandain wrote:
Serral v reynor probably the best player rivalry of all time. It's unreal. If you made a list of the 20 best zvzs in sc2 history I'm pretty sure reynor v serral games would make up fifteen of them
The funny thing is that at least half of the times they've met, it's been a one sided stomp one way or the other, but they play so many big matches that 15 of the 20 best ZvZs of all time probably belong to them.
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Oliveira has been having a rough time these days. When you become world champ and has to take the best shot from your opponent, its just a different feeling.
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Those Force Field-Purification Nova combos are pretty sweet.
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Abducting Archons into melee range of your Zerg units is a power move.
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Classic look so solid here make wonder again how the F did he lose to TY in GSL.
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Hell yeah Classic!
EDIT: And from the group of death no less!
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Didnt expect that. GG Classic!
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On July 22 2023 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Hell yeah Classic!
EDIT: And from the group of death no less!
Tbh i think group D is more death depending on herOs form.
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On July 22 2023 02:12 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Hell yeah Classic!
EDIT: And from the group of death no less! Tbh i think group D is more death depending on herOs form.
For my money, Serral > Cure, Reynor > Hero, Oliveira > Clem and Classic > Showtime, so I strongly disagree.
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On July 22 2023 02:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 02:12 darklycid wrote:On July 22 2023 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Hell yeah Classic!
EDIT: And from the group of death no less! Tbh i think group D is more death depending on herOs form. For my money, Serral > Cure, Reynor > Hero, Oliveira > Clem and Classic > Showtime, so I strongly disagree.
Cure > everyone but Serral, same for herO and Clem. ShoWTimE is the weakest despite being too EU
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Classic the protoss hope?
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On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope?
Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes
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Pretty heroic effort by Classic. Hope he avoids Maru/Cure in the playoffs
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On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes
herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss.
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On July 22 2023 06:19 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope? Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss.
herO had some amazing games in ESL and in PiG's recent tourney. It's totally 50/50. Maybe he's better online these days. Either way, hope he does well.
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On July 22 2023 06:19 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope? Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss.
Classic has virtually no shot against Maru/Cure and Serral if they meet again. And this is an online event so MaxPax will show up.
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Classic's game 2 vs Reynor was so amazing. I caught the second half of his first game vs Serral and the second game and he looked completely hopeless so I thought there was no way he'd advance. If I didn't know the result of the Reynor series I probably would have quit watching halfway through the second game. The first game was just typical swarmhost BS and then in game 2 the initial harass goes okay but not great and then reynor kills Classics 4th + 10 probes with a mere 20 lings and Classic seemed completely dead to me. The way he started being super aggressive for the rest of the game was great. Nonstop action and trades and he managed to be extremely cost efficient. There was some sloppy play by Reynor allowing some big disruptor hit but it mostly felt like Classic was playing near perfect.
Game 3 was much more how I expected Classics wins to look but still impressive. Game winning damage with a very well hidden and delayed glaives all-in.
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On July 22 2023 10:48 JJH777 wrote:
Classic's game 2 vs Reynor was so amazing. I caught the second half of his first game vs Serral and the second game and he looked completely hopeless so I thought there was no way he'd advance. If I didn't know the result of the Reynor series I probably would have quit watching halfway through the second game. The first game was just typical swarmhost BS and then in game 2 the initial harass goes okay but not great and then reynor kills Classics 4th + 10 probes with a mere 20 lings and Classic seemed completely dead to me. The way he started being super aggressive for the rest of the game was great. Nonstop action and trades and he managed to be extremely cost efficient. There was some sloppy play by Reynor allowing some big disruptor hit but it mostly felt like Classic was playing near perfect.
Game 3 was much more how I expected Classics wins to look but still impressive. Game winning damage with a very well hidden and delayed glaives all-in.
Truly Herculean effort by classic in game 2. I agree it was amazing watching live. He was down like 109 supply to 170 at one point
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This is already the hardest tvp series cure played in recent times i think :D
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That was the funniest thing I've seen in a StarCraft match in a good long time.
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What an infuriating way to lose...poor Clem
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this is gonna be the most successful tournament for protoss in years, might even get 3 in the ro8.
e: also idk but this group is way more deathy looking to me than B :D
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I keep being told that Clem is phenomenal, but every time I actually see him, he underwhelms.
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Showtime advancing is definitely a surprise. Excited to see how far he can take this.
And now I get to see the mythical MaxPax for the first time. The fabled Unicorn Protoss.
Maybe I should watch more online majors instead of GSL. Less soul-crushing despair.
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On July 22 2023 22:54 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Showtime advancing is definitely a surprise. Excited to see how far he can take this.
And now I get to see the mythical MaxPax for the first time. The fabled Unicorn Protoss.
Maybe I should watch more online majors instead of GSL. Less soul-crushing despair.
Honestly the online tournament scene has been amazing, and its even better since blizz pulled its funding, the scene has really come together.
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On July 22 2023 22:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
I keep being told that Clem is phenomenal, but every time I actually see him, he underwhelms.
I think some people got so impressed by Clem beating Reynor/Serral in regionals that they don't realize he hasn't progressed at all as a player since late 2020/early 2021 (does great in regionals but underperforms in non-regionals and struggles against Korean Terrans.)
Clem has great mechanics and is young so I still think he might have a real breakthrough one day, but as time goes on I become more skeptical.
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Maru making so many mistake with his control and walk right into Infestor trap was really bad
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On July 22 2023 23:29 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 22:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
I keep being told that Clem is phenomenal, but every time I actually see him, he underwhelms. I think some people got so impressed by Clem beating Reynor/Serral in regionals that they don't realize he hasn't progressed at all as a player since late 2020/early 2021 (does great in regionals but underperforms in non-regionals and struggles against Korean Terrans.) Clem has great mechanics and is young so I still think he might have a real breakthrough one day, but as time goes on I become more skeptical.
Yeah, I don't want to imply that he's bad, I don't think that at all, but I keep seeing him ranked alongside Serral and Reynor and I've never seen him perform close to that level.
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Maru looking this mid vs lambo was not what i expected today.
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On July 22 2023 23:33 tigera6 wrote:
Maru making so many mistake with his control and walk right into Infestor trap was really bad
It looks like he has a bandage on his left hand, not sure if it's injury. But his play and micro has been very subpar compared to his usual self.
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Ouch, what a painful game 3.
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IT'S UNICORN TIME!
I swear if you tell me MaxPax had to cancel because of personal issues I'm out of here.
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How the fuck did byun throw that game.
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Not sure how ByuN lost after being up 200 vs 130 supply
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Okay how the F did Byun throw that?
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On July 23 2023 00:28 Charoisaur wrote:
Not sure how ByuN lost after being up 200 vs 130 supply
A uncanny amount of imo pretty unforced errors + weird army comp.
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That game was like an incapsulation of ByuN every flaw as a Starcraft player.
The man is just unable to understand the questions asked to him, let alone answer them.
Well played by MaxPax, but that was very much ByuN losing that game.
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From only seeing one series, MaxPax looks like he's got solid restraint on his Disruptors, there's always the threat of a big one if you try to force an engage on his army.
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Byun looked pretty horrible :/
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On July 23 2023 00:49 Pandain wrote:
Maxpax v maru hype
woot. MaxPax the Protoss hero we need, not the Protoss hero we deserve.
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Clean hold there from Maxpax
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How the hell did all these colossus survive 0.o
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...that was a masterful hold against that push. balance of Colossus phoenix, poking, holding his ground, withdrawing, jumping, and shield battery usage so good
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Terrans getting destroyed in TvP in that cup, somehow I am not surprised :D. Hopefull Maru can find a way
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10 range Colossi don't look bad, btw.
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On July 23 2023 01:06 Poopi wrote:
Terrans getting destroyed in TvP in that cup, somehow I am not surprised :D. Hopefull Maru can find a way
I think you are better off hoping on Cure tbh.
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On July 23 2023 01:06 Poopi wrote:
Terrans getting destroyed in TvP in that cup, somehow I am not surprised :D. Hopefull Maru can find a way
Korean Terrans owning everyone in GSL, getting owned by foreigners in the online cup...suspicious...
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On July 23 2023 01:11 Captain Peabody wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 01:06 Poopi wrote:
Terrans getting destroyed in TvP in that cup, somehow I am not surprised :D. Hopefull Maru can find a way Korean Terrans owning everyone in GSL, getting owned by foreigners in the online cup...suspicious...
There is only Dark and herO left as strong Z/P atm in Korea, and Classic a little bit.
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On July 23 2023 01:14 ZeroByte13 wrote:
What a game, LOL.
What went wrong that made it look like such a stomp? Just a perfect build order counter?
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Maru not looking great. This doesn't bode well for Gamers8
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Defence gambling gone horribly wrong there ...
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On July 23 2023 01:21 JJH777 wrote:
Maru not looking great. This doesn't bode well for Gamers8
There is no MaxPax there and the other Protoss who might be able to do this is in bad shape. But yeah, Maru need to play more safe.
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Maxpax really the protoss PvT hope. And with a Ro8 opponent in either classic/ragnarok/showtime, there's a pretty good chance he's getting ro4
Btw, assuming Maru gets out in second, we have either Maru/Serral, Maru/Dark, or Maru/Cure for Ro8 which is pretty sick
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On July 23 2023 01:28 Pandain wrote:
Maxpax really the protoss PvT hope. And with a Ro8 opponent in either classic/ragnarok/showtime, there's a pretty good chance he's getting ro4
Btw, assuming Maru gets out in second, we have either Maru/Serral, Maru/Dark, or Maru/Cure for Ro8 which is pretty sick
tbf i wouldnt get overeager on a 10 range colossus bug "patch".
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On July 23 2023 01:24 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 01:21 JJH777 wrote:
Maru not looking great. This doesn't bode well for Gamers8 There is no MaxPax there and the other Protoss who might be able to do this is in bad shape. But yeah, Maru need to play more safe.
It wasn't just that match but also losing to Gumiho in GSL, not looking great vs Solar (he won 2-0 but took some extremely bad baneling hits in several fights), struggling with Lambo significantly after also losing to him 2-0 in a weekly cup a while back, and now his 3rd loss vs Maxpax in a row. Just not an inspiring string of results from him.
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On July 22 2023 23:29 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 22:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
I keep being told that Clem is phenomenal, but every time I actually see him, he underwhelms. I think some people got so impressed by Clem beating Reynor/Serral in regionals that they don't realize he hasn't progressed at all as a player since late 2020/early 2021 (does great in regionals but underperforms in non-regionals and struggles against Korean Terrans.) Clem has great mechanics and is young so I still think he might have a real breakthrough one day, but as time goes on I become more skeptical.
He’s obviously a talent but his whole TvZ style that gives him wins versus Serral/Reynor is going balls to the wall with aggression and being faster and cleaner than his opponent
Which he can do in TvZ, a very trade-oriented matchup. TvP less so and TvT probably even less so again.
I’m sure he’ll figure it out eventually but he really hasn’t progressed in a while beyond stellar TvZ, good but not great TvP and pretty ropey TvT
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Why am I watching Brood Lord-Infestor in 2023?
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On July 23 2023 02:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Why am I watching Brood Lord-Infestor in 2023? At least now it's losing, not winning.
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That was an impressive game from Byun.
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Nice game! Feels Byun is really consistently up there in level these days
Even if he does lose he’s usually bringing pretty impressive games
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They will F us up and give Maru vs Cure, wont they?
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damn herO being the only Protoss to be eliminated in a lineup with Classic, Showtime, Maxpax, and himself, he's hasn't been doing well in the last few months huh
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On July 22 2023 06:19 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope? Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss.
Seems showtime is stronger then you thought and Maxpax strong as usual 
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On July 23 2023 04:45 Kreuger wrote:
That bracket :p
It’s tasty stuff!
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The 4 best Koreans on one side of the bracket and Serral gets the best possible initial opponent and overall path possible. Random bracket draws sure are great.
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On July 23 2023 05:02 JJH777 wrote:
The 4 best Koreans on one side of the bracket and Serral gets the best possible initial opponent and overall path possible. Random bracket draws sure are great.
Seems fine to me tbh. It wasnt completely random btw, first place finishers play second place, and ppl from the same group cant play each other.
Also tbh, you can put Serral on any side of the bracket he would be favored against most people anyway.
That being said the chances of getting at least 1 toss in the finals are pretty slim with this bracket for sure.
Hopefully Maxpax can bring some of that Maru-slaying magic vs Serral in the semis.
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On July 23 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 06:19 QOGQOG wrote:On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope? Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss. Seems showtime is stronger then you thought and Maxpax strong as usual
I said one or two other Protoss players might advance (they have) but that regardless of who else advanced, I think Classic is the one who has the best shot to do well (can't really determine at this point, since we're just through the group stage). Save the "I told you so"s for if MaxPax or ShowTime actually make a run tomorrow.
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On July 23 2023 05:14 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 06:19 QOGQOG wrote:On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope? Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss. Seems showtime is stronger then you thought and Maxpax strong as usual I said one or two other Protoss players might advance (they have) but that regardless of who else advanced, I think Classic is the one who has the best shot to do well (can't really determine at this point, since we're just through the group stage). Save the "I told you so"s for if MaxPax or ShowTime actually make a run tomorrow.
MaxPax is pretty safe in the ro4 imo, hes pretty favored vs rag (also i think the best opponent he could have gotten as while he is a pvp master recently he has dropped quite a few series in that mu and it is still pvp).
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Cure might win the whole thing if MaxPax beats Serral. Fun bracket either way
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aight i got
Cure 2-0 Classic
Maru 2-1 Dark
Serral 2-0 Showtime
MaxPax 2-1 Ragnagod
Cure 3-2 Maru
Serral 3-0 MaxPax
Serral 4-2 Cure
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On July 23 2023 06:14 Schelim wrote:
aight i got
Cure 2-0 Classic
Maru 2-1 Dark
Serral 2-0 Showtime
MaxPax 2-1 Ragnagod
Cure 3-2 Maru
Serral 3-0 MaxPax
Serral 4-2 Cure
Not far off mine but I think Maru will lose to Dark, not really based on anything just a feeling
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Craving a maxpax victory hard
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On July 23 2023 05:10 Fubika24 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 05:02 JJH777 wrote:
The 4 best Koreans on one side of the bracket and Serral gets the best possible initial opponent and overall path possible. Random bracket draws sure are great. Seems fine to me tbh. It wasnt completely random btw, first place finishers play second place, and ppl from the same group cant play each other. Also tbh, you can put Serral on any side of the bracket he would be favored against most people anyway. That being said the chances of getting at least 1 toss in the finals are pretty slim with this bracket for sure. Hopefully Maxpax can bring some of that Maru-slaying magic vs Serral in the semis.
Koreans got the easiest bracket
Serral would have clowned them regardless.
At least this way it guarantees a KR in the finals rather than Serral vs maxpax in the finals
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On July 23 2023 08:12 TossHeroes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 05:10 Fubika24 wrote:On July 23 2023 05:02 JJH777 wrote:
The 4 best Koreans on one side of the bracket and Serral gets the best possible initial opponent and overall path possible. Random bracket draws sure are great. Seems fine to me tbh. It wasnt completely random btw, first place finishers play second place, and ppl from the same group cant play each other. Also tbh, you can put Serral on any side of the bracket he would be favored against most people anyway. That being said the chances of getting at least 1 toss in the finals are pretty slim with this bracket for sure. Hopefully Maxpax can bring some of that Maru-slaying magic vs Serral in the semis. Koreans got the easiest bracket Serral would have clowned them regardless. At least this way it guarantees a KR in the finals rather than Serral vs maxpax in the finals
And yet, here we are with 5/8 of the players in the playoffs being Korean.
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On July 23 2023 05:45 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 05:14 QOGQOG wrote:On July 23 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 06:19 QOGQOG wrote:On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope? Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss. Seems showtime is stronger then you thought and Maxpax strong as usual I said one or two other Protoss players might advance (they have) but that regardless of who else advanced, I think Classic is the one who has the best shot to do well (can't really determine at this point, since we're just through the group stage). Save the "I told you so"s for if MaxPax or ShowTime actually make a run tomorrow. MaxPax is pretty safe in the ro4 imo, hes pretty favored vs rag (also i think the best opponent he could have gotten as while he is a pvp master recently he has dropped quite a few series in that mu and it is still pvp).
He certainly got a better bracket, since Classic and ShowTime are doomed round one. But I still think he's overrated. We'll see.
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On July 23 2023 05:14 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 06:19 QOGQOG wrote:On July 22 2023 03:44 Kreuger wrote:On July 22 2023 03:37 Argonauta wrote:
Classic the protoss hope? Pretty confident we will have 3 protoss in playoff, Her0 and Maxpax joining Classic, showtime might take Her0s place, depending on how winners/loosers goes herO's been choking lately, MaxPax is an online cups guy, ShowTime always disappoints. Maybe one (or even two) gets through, but I'd still say Classic's the best chance for Protoss. Seems showtime is stronger then you thought and Maxpax strong as usual I said one or two other Protoss players might advance (they have) but that regardless of who else advanced, I think Classic is the one who has the best shot to do well (can't really determine at this point, since we're just through the group stage). Save the "I told you so"s for if MaxPax or ShowTime actually make a run tomorrow.
Sure sure
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This semifinals has the potential to be the same as GSL, awesome! Maru looking solid
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On July 23 2023 19:06 Poopi wrote:
This semifinals has the potential to be the same as GSL, awesome! Maru looking solid
oh lol, you're right :D
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The stream died for me 5s before stim finished.
Did Maru hold?
E.: it came back for the GG, he didn t 
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On July 23 2023 19:25 dbRic1203 wrote:
The stream died for me 5s before stim finished.
Did Maru hold?
No.
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On July 23 2023 19:25 dbRic1203 wrote:
The stream died for me 5s before stim finished.
Did Maru hold?
no
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On July 23 2023 19:25 dbRic1203 wrote:
The stream died for me 5s before stim finished.
Did Maru hold?
nope
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if those marines were some cm to the left they could have spotted the nydus.... so close yet it was not enough
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maru
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France12911 Posts
Poor Maru, but at least we get another TvZ!
Curious to see how Cure handles Dark this time around, it’s a GSL rematch
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On July 23 2023 07:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 06:14 Schelim wrote:
aight i got
Cure 2-0 Classic
Maru 2-1 Dark
Serral 2-0 Showtime
MaxPax 2-1 Ragnagod
Cure 3-2 Maru
Serral 3-0 MaxPax
Serral 4-2 Cure Not far off mine but I think Maru will lose to Dark, not really based on anything just a feeling
So it is written, so shall it be
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Move out one time, die to ravager bane
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Went to take a shower, comeback and Showtime lost 0-2. Were the games interesting?
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On July 23 2023 20:01 Nakajin wrote:
Went to take a shower, comeback and Showtime lost 0-2. Were the games interesting?
No.
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On July 23 2023 20:01 Nakajin wrote:
Went to take a shower, comeback and Showtime lost 0-2. Were the games interesting?
no
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Stream ran fine for me the last two days, but it's not working at all today. Is there anything I can do about it, or am I just out of luck?
EDIT: Refreshing over and over again eventually worked out for me.
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On July 23 2023 20:15 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Stream ran fine for me the last two days, but it's not working at all today. Is there anything I can do about it, or am I just out of luck?
It works fine for me, so IDK.
If it's any relief, you are missing a protoss getting curve-stomp atm.
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One of those casters laughs like Goofy
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I'm very confused by Ragnarok decision making
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Well that was disappointing. But we weeded Out the protoss pretty fast today
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Someone nerf that spacerace already
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Well, I'm happy I got to see MaxPax actually exists. Not sure he's going to be the savior of Protoss though.
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Canada8989 Posts
Wait Rag won, wtf happened?
Last I checked he was suiciding 15 lings into a bunch of defensive adepts, did he just ling-flood Maxpax to death?
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On July 23 2023 20:42 Nakajin wrote:
Wait Rag won, wtf happened?
Last I checked he was suiciding 15 lings into a bunch of defensive adepts, did he just ling-flood Maxpax to death?
He added ravagers and THEN flooded to death
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France12911 Posts
RagnaroK too strong for MaxPax. Will Cure save us from the ZvZ finals?
Will Serral be able to beat his Katowice nemesis RagnaroK?
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Im honestly looking forward ragna-serral.. Ragnarok is such a wild card
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Has it finally happened? Has another player overtaken Maru as the best terran in the world?
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On July 23 2023 21:07 Charoisaur wrote:
Has it finally happened? Has another player overtaken Maru as the best terran in the world?
Until Cure starts winning major tournaments instead of just looking really good Maru should have the benefit of the doubt, but Cure has definitely looked better since last Code S.
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On July 23 2023 21:07 Charoisaur wrote:
Has it finally happened? Has another player overtaken Maru as the best terran in the world?
Not the First time cure did that (He Just went down somewhat fast again Last time).
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On July 23 2023 20:53 Argonauta wrote:
Im honestly looking forward ragna-serral.. Ragnarok is such a wild card
Plus he’s kinda underperformed in Code S this season so him having a deep run would be nice, considering he had such a good season last and a deep Blizzcon run
Felt like he was moving out of that ‘always looks pretty decent, usually loses to top players bracket’ at last and had a bit of a setback thus far this season
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On July 23 2023 21:07 Charoisaur wrote:
Has it finally happened? Has another player overtaken Maru as the best terran in the world?
If he’s not, it’s looking damn close
Unlike Maru it seems Cure only tends to actually win things when he hits the kind of monster mode he’s switched on currently, and even then he doesn’t always take home the medals his form merits.
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Cant watch, is dark turning up in his Form of best zvt Player?
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Stream is quite unstable and laggy. A few ctrl-F5 did it for me, but its definitely laggy still
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On July 23 2023 21:58 -KG- wrote:
Stream is quite unstable and laggy. A few ctrl-F5 did it for me, but its definitely laggy still
yeah almost unwatchable for me right now
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I switched to inu's stream and it's perfectly fluid there for me
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On July 23 2023 22:06 Durnuu wrote:
I switched to inu's stream and it's perfectly fluid there for me
Same but Korean stream. Absolutely crazy game
Shame the English stream seem like it collapsed because that game was nuts
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Completely unwatchable for me on the english stream...
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Northern Ireland26604 Posts
What happened? Stream shit the bed for me and by the time I switched seemed game was over
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should be good now, afreeca ....
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english stream works fine again
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Man some great sets there, hopefully the grand finals can give us games of similar quality
Sometimes I swear Dark just decides to try and win the hard way, as if he’s bored of playing like everyone else
I mean he can still make it work sometimes because he’s Dark and he can work magic with roach/Ravager/fungal like nobody’s business and transitioning under constant pressure is easier said than done but it’s not the first game of his it seems he’s headbutting an increasingly denser brick wall
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Saved from ZvZ by Cure. Amazing defensive play where his key to victory was constant counter drops imo. Seen so many T:s turtle up and slowly bleed out in that position but Cure had a really good strategy. GG
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its nice to see Ragnarock in the semis of a tournament.
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Serral vs. Cure in the finals, good stuff!
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FINALS!!!!!!!! LET'S GO!!!!!
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Cure is playing really good. it will be a sick finals
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Would be nice if I could watch…
Anyone who can able to update?
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Cure seems pretty dead to me. Down 1-3 and the last game Serral won was one sided despite some stellar trades from him early on. At one point the resources lost tab was shown and it was 3500 for Cure vs 6.5k for Serral and yet Serral was still ahead in every way. Bases, army and worker supply, tech. Seems like he's just unbeatable ZvT. Odd that the other top Zergs only seem 50-50 in it.
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On July 24 2023 01:15 JJH777 wrote:
Cure seems pretty dead to me. Down 1-3 and the last game Serral won was one sided despite some stellar trades from him early on. At one point the resources lost tab was shown and it was 3500 for Cure vs 6.5k for Serral and yet Serral was still ahead in every way. Bases, army and worker supply, tech. Seems like he's just unbeatable ZvT. Odd that the other top Zergs only seem 50-50 in it.
Yea I feel the same way, I wanna scream OP but then I watch any other Zerg besides Serral play against Cure and it seems like a perfectly balanced MU. Kind of like watching Maru play TvZ, he makes Terran look so damn imbalanced in the match up. Serral and Maru and such really are just special cream of the crop players, hardly ever making a mistake.
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Some pretty good games in the final although the outcome was expected. gg's!
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On July 24 2023 01:22 Beelzebub1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 01:15 JJH777 wrote:
Cure seems pretty dead to me. Down 1-3 and the last game Serral won was one sided despite some stellar trades from him early on. At one point the resources lost tab was shown and it was 3500 for Cure vs 6.5k for Serral and yet Serral was still ahead in every way. Bases, army and worker supply, tech. Seems like he's just unbeatable ZvT. Odd that the other top Zergs only seem 50-50 in it. Yea I feel the same way, I wanna scream OP but then I watch any other Zerg besides Serral play against Cure and it seems like a perfectly balanced MU. Kind of like watching Maru play TvZ, he makes Terran look so damn imbalanced in the match up. Serral and Maru and such really are just special cream of the crop players, hardly ever making a mistake.
This current run is the most impressive Serral's ever been imo and is the first time the things his fans like to say about him has actually been true. Everytime someone points out how much Zerg has won since 2018 it's inevitable that a Serral fan corrects Zerg to Serral*. Despite Zerg still winning the most even without his wins counted and that the large majority of Serral's wins being at times where Zerg was doing extremely well. A zerg 100% still would have won Blizzcon 18, IEM 22 and many of Serral's other wins with or without him around.
At this moment though it does seem like Zerg performance in ZvT would take a nosedive without him around. Ragnarok would have gotten bopped here and Dark already lost today. Of course this may just be because Rogue retired. Who knows how this year would be going with him around.
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Serral going 13-2 in maps (classic, Reynor, Showtime, Ragnarok, Cure) Impressive!
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Congraluations to Serral!
Yeah, Serral's present level of play is ridiculous even by his own standards. Systematic and meticulous, and sometimes virtually flawless. You could see the frustration in Cure's face. None of the other current top-tier zergs, neither Dark nor Reynor, can make Cure look like he's running against a wall.
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On July 24 2023 01:46 Antithesis wrote:
Congraluations to Serral!
Yeah, Serral's present level of play is ridiculous even by his own standards. Systematic and meticulous, and sometimes virtually flawless. You could see the frustration in Cure's face. None of the other current top-tier zergs, neither Dark nor Reynor, can make Cure look like he's running against a wall.
Yeah, it looked so effortless to Serral, that it seemed that he was "cheating" somehow. Even at the end when he won, he just smiled and was so relaxed. Prolly didnt have to bring even near 100% today. And that is really scary. He makes many other pros look like a ladder scrubs in comparison.
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On July 24 2023 01:46 Antithesis wrote:
Congraluations to Serral!
Yeah, Serral's present level of play is ridiculous even by his own standards. Systematic and meticulous, and sometimes virtually flawless. You could see the frustration in Cure's face. None of the other current top-tier zergs, neither Dark nor Reynor, can make Cure look like he's running against a wall.
Isn’t Serral something ridiculous now like 50/60-5 or something since Katowice?
Guy just doesn’t really have any weaknesses seemingly, a pretty scary prospect right now indeed. His ZvT looks off the charts and isn’t even his most dominant matchup
GGWP and a pretty fun wee tournament, stream issues aside!
Really interested to see if Cure brings this level when Code S resumes
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On July 24 2023 02:05 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 01:46 Antithesis wrote:
Congraluations to Serral!
Yeah, Serral's present level of play is ridiculous even by his own standards. Systematic and meticulous, and sometimes virtually flawless. You could see the frustration in Cure's face. None of the other current top-tier zergs, neither Dark nor Reynor, can make Cure look like he's running against a wall. Isn’t Serral something ridiculous now like 50/60-5 or something since Katowice? GGWP and a pretty fun wee tournament, stream issues aside
Serrals stats on Aligulac since Katowice:
Under these filters, Serral is 160–27 (85.56%) in games and 69–3 (95.83%) in matches.
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On July 24 2023 02:09 Kreuger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 02:05 WombaT wrote:On July 24 2023 01:46 Antithesis wrote:
Congraluations to Serral!
Yeah, Serral's present level of play is ridiculous even by his own standards. Systematic and meticulous, and sometimes virtually flawless. You could see the frustration in Cure's face. None of the other current top-tier zergs, neither Dark nor Reynor, can make Cure look like he's running against a wall. Isn’t Serral something ridiculous now like 50/60-5 or something since Katowice? GGWP and a pretty fun wee tournament, stream issues aside Serrals stats on Aligulac since Katowice: Under these filters, Serral is 160–27 (85.56%) in games and 69–3 (95.83%) in matches.
That’s obscene
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On July 24 2023 02:09 Kreuger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 02:05 WombaT wrote:On July 24 2023 01:46 Antithesis wrote:
Congraluations to Serral!
Yeah, Serral's present level of play is ridiculous even by his own standards. Systematic and meticulous, and sometimes virtually flawless. You could see the frustration in Cure's face. None of the other current top-tier zergs, neither Dark nor Reynor, can make Cure look like he's running against a wall. Isn’t Serral something ridiculous now like 50/60-5 or something since Katowice? GGWP and a pretty fun wee tournament, stream issues aside Serrals stats on Aligulac since Katowice: Under these filters, Serral is 160–27 (85.56%) in games and 69–3 (95.83%) in matches.
Yeah it's a pretty sick stretch for Serral, prolly the most dominant he's looked since like... Mid/late 2021?
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Crowning this run with a win at gamers8 would make it even more ridicoulus
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Goat Serral destroying the field as usual
There’s a reason why Serral doesn’t need to waste his time with b tier GSL
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On July 24 2023 02:58 TossHeroes wrote:
Goat Serral destroying the field as usual
There’s a reason why Serral doesn’t need to waste his time with b tier GSL
You know, you can be a fan of Serrals and still be respectful right? It is possible. Ive seen it
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Very interesting considering how much everyone has been hyping Cure right now after his GSL performance. GG to Serral. Beating all 3 races in the quarter-semi-final always feels good.
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On July 24 2023 05:19 Gescom wrote:
Very interesting considering how much everyone has been hyping Cure right now after his GSL performance. GG to Serral. Beating all 3 races in the quarter-semi-final always feels good.
Well he delivered beating Classic and Dark, I did not expect him to beat Serral, even less so cross server
Congrats Serral, on top of the world atm
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On July 24 2023 05:19 Gescom wrote:
Very interesting considering how much everyone has been hyping Cure right now after his GSL performance. GG to Serral. Beating all 3 races in the quarter-semi-final always feels good.
Fairly so and way the bracket worked out think you saw the two best performers this particular tourney meet in the grand finals
Outside of Mary playing his absolute best I mean who’s taking Serral out TvZ when he’s playing like he did in the finals?
Cure’s looking really good lately for sure and he’s got a lot of different stuff in his locker too, compared to say Byun who can give stellar TvZ clinics but if his relentless aggression fails he can run out of steam
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ggs. Serral looked unbreakable there
On July 24 2023 06:43 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 05:19 Gescom wrote:
Very interesting considering how much everyone has been hyping Cure right now after his GSL performance. GG to Serral. Beating all 3 races in the quarter-semi-final always feels good. Fairly so and way the bracket worked out think you saw the two best performers this particular tourney meet in the grand finals Outside of Mary playing his absolute best I mean who’s taking Serral out TvZ when he’s playing like he did in the finals? Cure’s looking really good lately for sure and he’s got a lot of different stuff in his locker too, compared to say Byun who can give stellar TvZ clinics but if his relentless aggression fails he can run out of steam
I don't think there is any terran who can take him out in a bo7 finals (not even Maru). your only chance is to kill him in the earlier rounds. I'd still throw a cheeky bet on GuMiho like aye. he has upset Serral numerous times before in bo3s. sometimes he goes super saiyan with the drops and parade pushes. same with Cure and and ByuN. playing at their best, I think they can bring it to him in a bo3. vs terran, Serral seems to be at his weakest in the first 2 sets of a series, and then tightens up the longer the series goes on
you can expect all these top terrans to burn bright against zerg for 2 or 3 sets, then exhaustion sets in and it becomes impossible
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On July 24 2023 10:29 SHODAN wrote:ggs. Serral looked unbreakable there Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 06:43 WombaT wrote:On July 24 2023 05:19 Gescom wrote:
Very interesting considering how much everyone has been hyping Cure right now after his GSL performance. GG to Serral. Beating all 3 races in the quarter-semi-final always feels good. Fairly so and way the bracket worked out think you saw the two best performers this particular tourney meet in the grand finals Outside of Mary playing his absolute best I mean who’s taking Serral out TvZ when he’s playing like he did in the finals? Cure’s looking really good lately for sure and he’s got a lot of different stuff in his locker too, compared to say Byun who can give stellar TvZ clinics but if his relentless aggression fails he can run out of steam I don't think there is any terran who can take him out in a bo7 finals (not even Maru). your only chance is to kill him in the earlier rounds. I'd still throw a cheeky bet on GuMiho like aye. he has upset Serral numerous times before in bo3s. sometimes he goes super saiyan with the drops and parade pushes. same with Cure and and ByuN. playing at their best, I think they can bring it to him in a bo3. vs terran, Serral seems to be at his weakest in the first 2 sets of a series, and then tightens up the longer the series goes on you can expect all these top terrans to burn bright against zerg for 2 or 3 sets, then exhaustion sets in and it becomes impossible
Aye it’s like the opposite of Protoss players for the past while in PvZ with Serral. Bo3s yeah they can pull it off but that drops off with Bo5s, 7s etc.
Much less daunting to prep one sneaky fast one, play out of your skin one other game and the beast is slain than pulling it off 4 times
Actually was Aligulacing and Gumigod does have a better record than many against Serral, perhaps he’s the man to do it
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On July 24 2023 12:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 10:29 SHODAN wrote:ggs. Serral looked unbreakable there On July 24 2023 06:43 WombaT wrote:On July 24 2023 05:19 Gescom wrote:
Very interesting considering how much everyone has been hyping Cure right now after his GSL performance. GG to Serral. Beating all 3 races in the quarter-semi-final always feels good. Fairly so and way the bracket worked out think you saw the two best performers this particular tourney meet in the grand finals Outside of Mary playing his absolute best I mean who’s taking Serral out TvZ when he’s playing like he did in the finals? Cure’s looking really good lately for sure and he’s got a lot of different stuff in his locker too, compared to say Byun who can give stellar TvZ clinics but if his relentless aggression fails he can run out of steam I don't think there is any terran who can take him out in a bo7 finals (not even Maru). your only chance is to kill him in the earlier rounds. I'd still throw a cheeky bet on GuMiho like aye. he has upset Serral numerous times before in bo3s. sometimes he goes super saiyan with the drops and parade pushes. same with Cure and and ByuN. playing at their best, I think they can bring it to him in a bo3. vs terran, Serral seems to be at his weakest in the first 2 sets of a series, and then tightens up the longer the series goes on you can expect all these top terrans to burn bright against zerg for 2 or 3 sets, then exhaustion sets in and it becomes impossible Aye it’s like the opposite of Protoss players for the past while in PvZ with Serral. Bo3s yeah they can pull it off but that drops off with Bo5s, 7s etc. Much less daunting to prep one sneaky fast one, play out of your skin one other game and the beast is slain than pulling it off 4 times Actually was Aligulacing and Gumigod does have a better record than many against Serral, perhaps he’s the man to do it
if nothing else, the Gumigod plays confidently against Serral and confidence goes a long way, whereas ByuN seems too intimidated to realistically pull it off. if Serral is the Undertaker, GuMiho is Mankind ready to break his neck for our entertainment: being choke-slammed through a steel cage, breaking all his teeth in the process, and still having the balls to reach for a bag full of steel tacks in game 2. feels like it's been a while since I saw any terrans try to test Serral with a super crazy hellbat all-in or double battlecruiser rush. he does tend to play greedy from time to time, so maybe that's what you need to get a leg up in a boX. anything to avoid back-to-back exhaust plays multiple games in a row and driving yourself mentally insane in the process
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He's the greatest. And I think he's better then ever.
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The playerpool of this tournament and Gamers8 is like 90% identical. Let's see if the results will be as well.
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On July 24 2023 19:48 Harris1st wrote:
The playerpool of this tournament and Gamers8 is like 90% identical. Let's see if the results will be as well.
AFAIK the format hasn't been announced yet, I'm guessing it will be group stage into playoffs but who knows.Something like a single elim bracket the whole way or double elim could alter the results a lot.
It's hard to see Serral losing a non ZvZ, and even in ZvZ Serral looks half a step ahead of everyone else. SC2 is volatile though, and Dark or Reynor could easily knock Serral out.
I'm curious to see how well Cure does at Gamers8. I don't think he lived up to the hype at ESL Summer despite looking amazing in the leadup, though to be fair he was a victim of Gumigod's rampage.
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On July 24 2023 22:36 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2023 19:48 Harris1st wrote:
The playerpool of this tournament and Gamers8 is like 90% identical. Let's see if the results will be as well. AFAIK the format hasn't been announced yet, I'm guessing it will be group stage into playoffs but who knows.Something like a single elim bracket the whole way or double elim could alter the results a lot. It's hard to see Serral losing a non ZvZ, and even in ZvZ Serral looks half a step ahead of everyone else. SC2 is volatile though, and Dark or Reynor could easily knock Serral out. I'm curious to see how well Cure does at Gamers8. I don't think he lived up to the hype at ESL Summer despite looking amazing in the leadup, though to be fair he was a victim of Gumigod's rampage.
Rare you see a proper single elim gauntlet these days, I wonder if they might go with something like that, or a straight double elim to differentiate the tournament?
There’s pluses and minuses to both. Groups into single or even double elim generally keep the top dogs from getting sniped and generally deliver the big big matchups in the latter stages. But ‘one mistake and you’re out’ does aid itself to upsets and make the early stages more exciting
A lot of things I’m curious about with it really, will it be considered IEM/Blizzcon levels of prestige or WESG (at least for the Western audience)?
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Does anyone know where i can find the last part of the dark vs cure on gresvan game? the matcherino vod cut out and the rest is no where to be found, I don't mind if it's korean casting thank you.
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On July 26 2023 05:34 EmoBacon wrote:Does anyone know where i can find the last part of the dark vs cure on gresvan game? the matcherino vod cut out and the rest is no where to be found, I don't mind if it's korean casting thank you.
The Gresvan game starts at around the 03:56:30 mark - https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/105050929
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