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RandomPressure
Profile Joined May 2022
9 Posts
July 03 2022 17:03 GMT
#841
Whilst Hydra and Lurker has the potential to be an aggressive/defensive counter to herO's style, I think the natural adaptation on the protoss side is teching to colossi/storm (vs hydras) or disruptor/tempest (vs lurkers). Which might actually make the match up even more dynamic with both sides trying to find times to exploit their temporary advantages or trying to safely transition.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
July 03 2022 17:04 GMT
#842
On July 04 2022 02:00 TaKeTV wrote:
I think herO lost this in map 1-2 rather than 5 :/

Taking the gold base as his 4th in game 1 was definitely too extravagant but his situation in game 5 was just too good to allow Dark to checkmate him so easily.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-03 17:05:29
July 03 2022 17:04 GMT
#843
Damn what a throw by herO.
But it's alright Dark vs Maru is going to be the best possible final.

Have to say I am loving this tournament. No Serral, no Catz, meaning no annoying commentary, delusional GOAT talk and other players get the spotlight as well. Reynor looking clueless and getting brutally stomped by Maru is a great sight as well. GGs

User was banned for this post.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16003 Posts
July 03 2022 17:04 GMT
#844
On July 04 2022 02:03 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 02:01 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 04 2022 01:59 darklycid wrote:
On July 04 2022 01:58 Charoisaur wrote:
This is what I imagined would eventually counter the herO style. Zergs figuring out how they can safely transition to Lurkers

Now we need toss to find the right moment to transition into air while the zerg turtles;.

Problem is that you pretty much need to transition to air and splash damage (Disruptors or HTs) at the same time

Do you? they just heavily invested into lurkers.

Air without splash dies to Mass Hydra
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 03 2022 17:05 GMT
#845
First time in 10 years that anyone would rather play Maru than Creator
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 03 2022 17:05 GMT
#846
I never thought I see the day when someone wished to play Maru over Creator
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16003 Posts
July 03 2022 17:05 GMT
#847
On July 04 2022 02:01 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 01:58 Charoisaur wrote:
This is what I imagined would eventually counter the herO style. Zergs figuring out how they can safely transition to Lurkers

To be honest, herO still corner Dark even with Lurker, had Dark not throw down that Nydus, herO will break him with the Robo eventually.

but there's no reason for the Zerg to not throw down the Nydus and it's just hard to handle
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3433 Posts
July 03 2022 17:07 GMT
#848
On July 04 2022 02:05 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 02:01 tigera6 wrote:
On July 04 2022 01:58 Charoisaur wrote:
This is what I imagined would eventually counter the herO style. Zergs figuring out how they can safely transition to Lurkers

To be honest, herO still corner Dark even with Lurker, had Dark not throw down that Nydus, herO will break him with the Robo eventually.

but there's no reason for the Zerg to not throw down the Nydus and it's just hard to handle

Turns out that herO didnt think of that, so thats why he lost. Like the only thing that Dark can do at that situation was Nydus, but herO never saw that coming.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
July 03 2022 17:13 GMT
#849
To be fair though it's stupid in principle that Zerg players can move their entire army risk free for such a low cost. The units aren't vulnerable inside the nydus and the worm is basically free. Protoss players routinely lose key units during recalls for example.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
jack_less
Profile Joined May 2022
77 Posts
July 03 2022 17:17 GMT
#850
On July 04 2022 02:13 Elentos wrote:
To be fair though it's stupid in principle that Zerg players can move their entire army risk free for such a low cost. The units aren't vulnerable inside the nydus and the worm is basically free. Protoss players routinely lose key units during recalls for example.

but are more vulnerable when loaded on or off by nydus. because they appear individually.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33472 Posts
July 03 2022 17:20 GMT
#851
On July 04 2022 02:13 Elentos wrote:
To be fair though it's stupid in principle that Zerg players can move their entire army risk free for such a low cost. The units aren't vulnerable inside the nydus and the worm is basically free. Protoss players routinely lose key units during recalls for example.


new mechanic where nydus worms have to be "fed" a unit to function
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
July 03 2022 17:21 GMT
#852
On July 04 2022 02:04 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 02:00 TaKeTV wrote:
I think herO lost this in map 1-2 rather than 5 :/

Taking the gold base as his 4th in game 1 was definitely too extravagant but his situation in game 5 was just too good to allow Dark to checkmate him so easily.


I agree. Just wanted to emphasize that stepping away from his style g1 + 2 wasn't what I would have hoped he would do
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-03 17:22:08
July 03 2022 17:21 GMT
#853
ZG and Pig have some fire jackets, Kaelaris need to step up his game.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
July 03 2022 17:22 GMT
#854
On July 04 2022 02:17 jack_less wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 02:13 Elentos wrote:
To be fair though it's stupid in principle that Zerg players can move their entire army risk free for such a low cost. The units aren't vulnerable inside the nydus and the worm is basically free. Protoss players routinely lose key units during recalls for example.

but are more vulnerable when loaded on or off by nydus. because they appear individually.

So are units from a doom drop and that's a far higher risk play. And recall is a one way trip exclusively to defend/save units. Unless you use the version that's locked behind the most expensive unit in the game.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-03 17:24:53
July 03 2022 17:22 GMT
#855
Nydus shouldnt be in the game at all, its whole design as it stands is about abusing a potential vision deficit of the enemy with the potential to get to a position of the map with little risk and with as many units as you want.
herO who has full map control loses a game basically instantly because he didn't have perfect vision, the zerg had no real risk to lose the game there either (like say if dark had to drop all these units and gets caught). It's a terrible mechanic.
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
July 03 2022 17:23 GMT
#856
How come Maru get special treatment in Twitch chat voting? ESL so biased.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
July 03 2022 17:24 GMT
#857
On July 04 2022 02:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nydus shouldnt be in the game at all, it's whole design as it stands is about abusing a potential vision deficit of the enemy with the potential to get to a position of the map with little risk and with as many units as you want.
herO who has full map control loses a game basically instantly because he didn't have perfect vision, the zerg had no real risk to lose the game there either (like say if dark had to drop all these units and gets caught). It's a terrible mechanic.

Agreed 100%. Risk/reward ratio is just completely out of whack with nydus.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
July 03 2022 17:30 GMT
#858
On July 04 2022 02:24 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 02:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nydus shouldnt be in the game at all, it's whole design as it stands is about abusing a potential vision deficit of the enemy with the potential to get to a position of the map with little risk and with as many units as you want.
herO who has full map control loses a game basically instantly because he didn't have perfect vision, the zerg had no real risk to lose the game there either (like say if dark had to drop all these units and gets caught). It's a terrible mechanic.

Agreed 100%. Risk/reward ratio is just completely out of whack with nydus.

But don't worry, people who thought invincible nydus or 50/50 nydus might be a good idea will save the RTS genre with their hit title Stormgate.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 03 2022 17:32 GMT
#859
Wow I see what you guys mean by talkcraft haha.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3433 Posts
July 03 2022 17:32 GMT
#860
On July 04 2022 02:23 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
How come Maru get special treatment in Twitch chat voting? ESL so biased.

#MAR was used for MarineLord initially, so Maru got the extra letter.
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