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Serral played pretty bad against in the first dns, the latter had a ton of opportunities to kill him pretty easily. The third game of denver vs ptitdrogo was amazing tho !
On October 02 2021 03:36 Durnuu wrote: Marinelord and Stephano battling to see who is the best totally 100% retired player
Dunno if there is a "mlord has retired" meme on reddit but for now mlord is still playing full time while steph has a full time job now. The french terran is even training a lot with Serral.
Gotta say showtimes disruptor play is very unconvincing here, he struggles most of the times in these stages dunno why he doesn't go for more of a zest approach.
The thing is, against Roach, you need to open Tank first, and get 3-4 of them down before Roach 1-1 timing come. Clem love being agressive in TvZ and he open with Helion and/or Mines more often than others, so when the Roach hits, he doesnt have enough tanks count. I think thats why you see KR Terran opening with Tanks more often (Maru Cure Byun), because they got smashed with Roach timing from Rogue and Dark too many times in their career already.
So tomorrow is a big day: 1. Who will win China? 2. Neeb likely to be knocked out if he loses vs Nina, possibly knocked out if he only wins 2-1.
In addition, we have: 1. Serral going for 14-0 2. Astrea and Scarlett vs each other for first place 3. Marinelord-Clem in rematch fighting each other for first. 4. Maxpax Lambo fighting different opponents for second place. 5. Disk-Asuna fighting each other for 2nd place.
And most groups still being open for who makes it 3-4th
On October 11 2021 01:38 royalroadweed wrote: Showtime's supply plummeted after that fungal growth + parasitic bomb. Maybe he didn't have to take that fight. He was up in bases.
Think they were equal at that time, but yeah best way of winning would probably have been the tempest turtle but noone ever wants to see that.
I always feel that Skytoss should be a timing push, which Showtime started wonderfully with that attack to the Main of Serral. But then he stopped, start making harassment and ultimate lost just like any in other ZvP lategame against Serral. I believe Showtime should have just keep the pressure on, the reason because his upgrade was slightly ahead of Serral. You dont want to wait for Serral air army hit +3/+3 and got all the tier 3 tech, you want to hit before that.
On October 11 2021 02:25 AzAlexZ wrote: OMEGA THROW by Skillous
No idea why he fought there. reynor did as well as he could, no doubt, but there was no reason for Skillous to not just expand everywhere instead of suiciding an entire army.
On October 11 2021 02:25 AzAlexZ wrote: OMEGA THROW by Skillous
No idea why he fought there. reynor did as well as he could, no doubt, but there was no reason for Skillous to not just expand everywhere instead of suiciding an entire army.
I know right? Literally the worst thing he could do, and he does it to lose.
Man, PvZ has always been so strange it's hard to think of a metagame era where it felt "normal" and not at least somewhat crazy-clown-world. Personally, though, it's always been one of my favorite matchups in the game for exactly this reason.
Reynor admitting that he drops maps bc he deliberately plays weird games to have fun and is always confident he can come back and win series after losing a map is both funny and actually pretty impressive. Not many players with that degree of mindset power.
I like that he was also like, if I can change the meta with some weird stuff then that's great, cause he was he was talking about just constantly only practicing against void ray openings.
After Heromarine's incredible performance against Reynor in ASUS ROG I'll tolerate Big Gabe hype until he inevitably gets piledriven by Serral or Clem.
On October 11 2021 03:40 koalabro wrote: Funny that they said Stephano is untrained. AFAIK, he has never practiced. Ever. And still won. I think he just isn't up to date with the meta.
yeah because the meta has shifted so much lately lel
On October 11 2021 03:40 koalabro wrote: Funny that they said Stephano is untrained. AFAIK, he has never practiced. Ever. And still won. I think he just isn't up to date with the meta.
He has practiced in the past, obviously? The whole slacker thing was for memes and giggles, he even pretended to be studying medicine. Since he is now working full time for Ogaming, he does not practice much indeed, which kinda explains those poor results. MarineLord is on fire though
On October 11 2021 03:17 hjpalpha wrote: How i hate all that TalkCraft ... they are >1h behind schedule and still do a long TalkCraft segment ...
This was because there's a rule dreamhack has about the final day of groups. Every match in each group has to start at the same time so if main stream match finished early, the options are break or talkcraft.
On October 10 2021 18:43 Luolis wrote: Also Vindicta too, i don't know why he is allowed to play either.
huh?
I was told that he was a maphacker before.
It's a very big accusation, one that deserves just the bare minimum of research done before throwing it around. /:
Sure. I had no reason to doubt it, since it came from a trustworthy person and people like Pengwin have accused him of it before as well . If i'm wrong, then that's my bad.
OK Clem, you know his schtick. He's pretty much reliant on burrow and spreading units out. Get a goddamn Raven or two to follow your army by late game already.
On October 12 2021 23:55 buzz_bender wrote: Elazer trying to copy Rogue's roach ravager style against Clem, but Rogue's roach ravager play is sooo much better than Elazer's...
Yeah, he also find the weak spot on Clem's base to nydus Lurkers just like Rogue or Dark did before after roach 1-to-1 timing failed. Kudos to him taking one single map from Clem.
On October 12 2021 23:55 buzz_bender wrote: Elazer trying to copy Rogue's roach ravager style against Clem, but Rogue's roach ravager play is sooo much better than Elazer's...
Yeah, he also find the weak spot on Clem's base to nydus Lurkers just like Rogue or Dark did before after roach 1-to-1 timing failed. Kudos to him taking one single map from Clem.
Yups, but you can see that it took him sometime before he transitioned to that. It just seems to me that Rogue/Dark is so much more decisive with this style compared to Elazer. It's understandable, since it's prob not played much in EU.
Everything Showtime did in that last match was near Perfect, and he never rush into the 2-base Terran defense like some other Protoss, aka Zest, but tech up into Archon Disruptor and finish the game beautifully.
On October 13 2021 04:40 tigera6 wrote: Its actually normal for Reynor form to dip for a short period, although he hasn do well since DH Summer Global is a bit strange to see.
The problem is his Ling only play style in the mid game to early late game. It just doesn't work. It looks like Terran players have started to figure it out and how to counter it.
Of course I'm salty because I lost $140. The odds were like 1.08 lol.
MarineLord said something about preparing for Reynor. I think it showed in his performances and army compositions and early game. I think there's something to be said about giving time for players to prep for these matchups. Maybe not as long as GSL, but I think if the scheduling changes a bit for the players to have a day to prep for these matchups (maybe from the semis onwards), we'll get these great games/results.
Serral and Reynor have won all five Season Finals between them, yet it's likely one of them won't make it, for the third time in a row. Seems it's harder for them to qualify than to win. Maybe EU needs another spot?
Obviously i enjoyed this new composition of MarineLord, Liberator mines ghosts, this is versatile but a bit dangerous if the Zerg can switch Ultralisks
Yep, Lambo played like he has no idea that Denver was going for early pressure every game, and lost because he couldnt handle those well enough. And damnnn, MaxPax playing an amazing PvZ game, I thought that was Trap-like at his best performance.
On October 15 2021 01:44 tigera6 wrote: Yep, Lambo played like he has no idea that Denver was going for early pressure every game, and lost because he couldnt handle those well enough. And damnnn, MaxPax playing an amazing PvZ game, I thought that was Trap-like at his best performance.
That Void Ray split was... not ideal to say the least though.
On October 15 2021 04:02 Kreuger wrote: Love this style from Uthermal, dropmech
It pissed me off. Finally he did something to surprise Reynor and catch him off guard only to completely throw away his lead by not transitioning into normal play once Reynor started countering it
On October 15 2021 04:02 Kreuger wrote: Love this style from Uthermal, dropmech
It pissed me off. Finally he did something to surprise Reynor and catch him off guard only to completely throw away his lead by not transitioning into normal play once Reynor started countering it
Yeah, I agree. I thought that uThermal had a substantial lead after his first two drops, and if he focus fired on the Hive he could have got it. Once that's done, he should just revert back to usual mech play, and converge his army for a slow push forward. If he did that, I think he would have won.
I do love the innovation though! I hope someone will be able to make it work in the future.
so, do i see it correctly that out of Reynor, Serral, Clem and Heromarine at this point only 2 players can qualify for the season finals? And either of the Showtime, MarineLord, Denver and Maxpax will take the other 2 slots? Fascinating
On October 15 2021 20:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: so, do i see it correctly that out of Reynor, Serral, Clem and Heromarine at this point only 2 players can qualify for the season finals? And either of the Showtime, MarineLord, Denver and Maxpax will take the other 2 slots? Fascinating
Hopefully Serral believes in a thing called roach. I don't think it's impossible to beat Clem in ZvT without ping using muta ling bane/ bane hydra but I think it would take near perfect play.
Regarding PtitDrogo's story about joining a cult: I had a similar experience as him when I went to Seoul for GSL. Hung out with some Koreans while visiting some temples. Had a great time with them. They invited us to their appartment for cooking and a "traditional ceremony". Accepted, cooked a Korean meal with them, got to wear some robes and chanted some stuff during a long ceremony. Had a great meal with the afterwards. Left as friends. Best cult experience ever.
Reynor is changing some major thing with the way he plays, hes no longer get that huge econ lead with 90+ Drone anymore. Maybe afraid of the huge timing push from Terran?
Clem looked too eager to move out against Roach Ravager. He needed to turtle a bit more to get the 4th base and 2-2 upgrade complete. Tanks getting caught unseiged was just bad.
Seems like Clem need to tune down his aggression a little bit, Serral lingbane was walking in and out of Clem base like its their backyard for the whole last game.
On October 16 2021 02:16 tigera6 wrote: Seems like Clem need to tune down his aggression a little bit, Serral lingbane was walking in and out of Clem base like its their backyard for the whole last game.
Exactly, he needs to learn to adapt and play a different style according to the situation of the match. Serral changed up his style this match, and he managed to beat Clem. This is what I've been saying about what Serral/Reynor needs to do to beat Clem. Clem is just too good against Ling Bane into lurkers now. They needed to mix it up, and Serral did - taking a page out of Rogue's playbook.
On October 16 2021 02:32 HolydaKing wrote: After all, Reynor was right in believing that Serral beats Clem this time around.
Question is, will Reynor go roach (knowing he hates the unit)?
Reynor is more flexible than Serral imo, saw him used Roach and all-in in TvZ before. The question is also, can Clem really get enough practice to play well against the Roach style, his reaction was all over the place today against the Roach push.
On October 16 2021 02:32 HolydaKing wrote: After all, Reynor was right in believing that Serral beats Clem this time around.
Question is, will Reynor go roach (knowing he hates the unit)?
Reynor is more flexible than Serral imo, saw him used Roach and all-in in TvZ before. The question is also, can Clem really get enough practice to play well against the Roach style, his reaction was all over the place today against the Roach push.
Serral already played this style against him in ladder. And I am pretty sure his buddy Denver who loves tricky stuff can decently play this style. I think the main reason clem lost is the one stated by reynor, he didn't practise much lately.
He was clearly dominating showtime, keeping him on 4 bases at 14min. The bad engage and the dt follow up reversed the game in 1 minutes, must have been so tilting tbh
Didn't the korean terrans figure out late game DT blink over a year ago? PartinG popularized the style over there, Koreans literally started making an extra planetary and missle turret at their bases, and the DTs didn't have the DPS to chew through everything. How are EU terrans losing to a strategy that's already been solved?
While it's true that MLord is a very bad person I'd still like to thank him for beating the zerg so that two protoss can go through, that was very selfless of him.
Want to just give a special shout-out to Wardi in case he reads this thread. I always liked Wardi but I feel like he just went from a good caster to an amazing one in the past two years or so.
On October 16 2021 05:42 StasisField wrote: Didn't the korean terrans figure out late game DT blink over a year ago? PartinG popularized the style over there, Koreans literally started making an extra planetary and missle turret at their bases, and the DTs didn't have the DPS to chew through everything. How are EU terrans losing to a strategy that's already been solved?
Zest was the first one to go mass blink DT late game against Terran. PartinG then began using it too, but TY is the one who started figuring out how to counter it in their series
On October 16 2021 05:42 StasisField wrote: Didn't the korean terrans figure out late game DT blink over a year ago? PartinG popularized the style over there, Koreans literally started making an extra planetary and missle turret at their bases, and the DTs didn't have the DPS to chew through everything. How are EU terrans losing to a strategy that's already been solved?
The problem is usually not DT blink alone, but combined with the deathball / AoE armies. And Korean terrans did not figure out anything, otherwise Maru should theoretically never loses TvP since he is the perfect Terran, yet he loses too.
On October 16 2021 05:42 StasisField wrote: Didn't the korean terrans figure out late game DT blink over a year ago? PartinG popularized the style over there, Koreans literally started making an extra planetary and missle turret at their bases, and the DTs didn't have the DPS to chew through everything. How are EU terrans losing to a strategy that's already been solved?
The problem is usually not DT blink alone, but combined with the deathball / AoE armies. And Korean terrans did not figure out anything, otherwise Maru should theoretically never loses TvP since he is the perfect Terran, yet he loses too.
On October 16 2021 05:42 StasisField wrote: Didn't the korean terrans figure out late game DT blink over a year ago? PartinG popularized the style over there, Koreans literally started making an extra planetary and missle turret at their bases, and the DTs didn't have the DPS to chew through everything. How are EU terrans losing to a strategy that's already been solved?
The problem is usually not DT blink alone, but combined with the deathball / AoE armies. And Korean terrans did not figure out anything, otherwise Maru should theoretically never loses TvP since he is the perfect Terran, yet he loses too.
It's likely soO was the perfect Terran. Really good micro with core units, excellent in the mid game, a willingness to cheese, but he rolled over in the late game.
Reynor was doing well with Roach, then he chose to transition out of it, back into lingbane, at the same time with taking the 5th base, was just very bad timing.
Yeah Reynor just isn't playing fast enough to beat Clem. Serral wasn't relying on speed to beat Clem yesterday, but even then he was splitting well against mine drops and deflecting harass decently.
Reynor refused to embrace Rogue's playstyles just like Serral did, ended up that he lost series 3-0.
P/s: I am surprised that casters always talked about Rogue's gameplays whenever involved Clem's TvZ matches, but failed to point out about how Dark was the first one to stop the Clem's invisible TvZ win. Clem's TvZ weakness should not be limited to Roaches/Ravagers one-to-one timing only.
On October 17 2021 01:15 swarminfestor wrote: Reynor refused to embrace Rogue's playstyles just like Serral did, ended up that he lost series 3-0.
P/s: I am surprised that casters always talked about Rogue's gameplays whenever involved Clem's TvZ matches, but failed to point out about how Dark was the first one to stop the Clem's invisible TvZ win. Clem's TvZ weakness should not be limited to Roaches/Ravagers one-to-one timing only.
Seems like Reynor was never really comfortable with Roach, even in game 1 when he used them he tried to transitioned out of it way too quickly. And the reason why Rogue is mentioned more because it was more recent, and the way Rogue did it was way too dominant, similar to the way he stomped Maru in GSL Final (where some people said Clem would have won back then).
On October 17 2021 01:21 tigera6 wrote: And the reason why Rogue is mentioned more because it was more recent, and the way Rogue did it was way too dominant, similar to the way he stomped Maru in GSL Final (where some people said Clem would have won back then).
I think this is exactly it - how dominant Rogue looked in beating Clem, and how the narrative was that Clem would have won that GSL. I think many people just underestimate how well Rogue played, both in terms of strategies and mindgames.
On October 17 2021 01:21 tigera6 wrote: And the reason why Rogue is mentioned more because it was more recent, and the way Rogue did it was way too dominant, similar to the way he stomped Maru in GSL Final (where some people said Clem would have won back then).
I think this is exactly it - how dominant Rogue looked in beating Clem, and how the narrative was that Clem would have won that GSL. I think many people just underestimate how well Rogue played, both in terms of strategies and mindgames.
People thought Clem was better than Maru because he smashed Reynor and Serral while Maru struggled, but cross servers matches at bad hours can’t be compared to playing with perfect ping. Katowice 2022 will be the real test!
Serral won 80% of his games because he always scout his opponent build no matter what, meanwhile his oppponent has been in the dark about Serral build and get shell-shocked when Serral bring out some type of push. Showtime plan crumbled the moment 20 Corruptors destroyed all of his air units.
Serral went from Ling into Roach Ravager into Spire into Bane and into Greater Spire, his tech was all over the place. Showtime was so methodological with his build, Blink Stalker - Disruptor / Immortal - Archon/Chargelot. Great game from the Wall.
On October 17 2021 01:15 swarminfestor wrote: Reynor refused to embrace Rogue's playstyles just like Serral did, ended up that he lost series 3-0.
P/s: I am surprised that casters always talked about Rogue's gameplays whenever involved Clem's TvZ matches, but failed to point out about how Dark was the first one to stop the Clem's invisible TvZ win. Clem's TvZ weakness should not be limited to Roaches/Ravagers one-to-one timing only.
Seems like Reynor was never really comfortable with Roach, even in game 1 when he used them he tried to transitioned out of it way too quickly. And the reason why Rogue is mentioned more because it was more recent, and the way Rogue did it was way too dominant, similar to the way he stomped Maru in GSL Final (where some people said Clem would have won back then).
its ok, Reynor is still more flexible than Serral, so it all worked out
On October 17 2021 01:15 swarminfestor wrote: Reynor refused to embrace Rogue's playstyles just like Serral did, ended up that he lost series 3-0.
P/s: I am surprised that casters always talked about Rogue's gameplays whenever involved Clem's TvZ matches, but failed to point out about how Dark was the first one to stop the Clem's invisible TvZ win. Clem's TvZ weakness should not be limited to Roaches/Ravagers one-to-one timing only.
Seems like Reynor was never really comfortable with Roach, even in game 1 when he used them he tried to transitioned out of it way too quickly. And the reason why Rogue is mentioned more because it was more recent, and the way Rogue did it was way too dominant, similar to the way he stomped Maru in GSL Final (where some people said Clem would have won back then).
its ok, Reynor is still more flexible than Serral, so it all worked out
Yeah, I am eating my word on that. Somehow Reynor want to win his way, when its clearly not working against Clem.
Also, is Serral trying out that new build or something, because its clearly not working despite his outta of the world control. Edit: 3rd time is a charm, and Showtime got the absolute worst build against it as well.
On October 17 2021 03:00 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Showtime is in incredible form this time around, really good to have him back in the season finals.
This is the first time Showime get to the Season Final, kinda shocking but other than the big 3 in EU, not seeing Showtime all these time in the Global Final is kinda suprising.
On October 17 2021 03:00 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Showtime is in incredible form this time around, really good to have him back in the season finals.
This is the first time Showime get to the Season Final, kinda shocking but other than the big 3 in EU, not seeing Showtime all these time in the Global Final is kinda suprising.
He chocked quite a lot in the past, getting rekt by hm (not to say that hm shouldn't beat him but not consistently like that) , beaten by drogo or lambo... He finally is performing at his level.
Ive noticed alot in Clems TVT, that he only ever gets +2 attack and no armor on his tanks (or sometimes plus one) and then his tanks get obliterated by heavy upgrades in the late game.
Seen this in several of the games vs marinelord both today and in previous series.
On October 17 2021 03:36 Darpa wrote: Ive noticed alot in Clems TVT, that he only ever gets +2 attack and no armor on his tanks (or sometimes plus one) and then his tanks get obliterated by heavy upgrades in the late game.
Seen this in several of the games vs marinelord both today and in previous series.
There is a reason for that. Because +2 Attack Seiged Tanks can 1 shot Marine with +3 armor, basically you dont use tank to kill tank, you use tank to kill Marines. Armor upgrade for tanks also does not matter as much because it still take 3 shot from Tank in Seige mode to kill a tank. And Clem was never that rich in economy, I can see why he skipped those upgrade for more production.
On October 17 2021 03:36 Darpa wrote: Ive noticed alot in Clems TVT, that he only ever gets +2 attack and no armor on his tanks (or sometimes plus one) and then his tanks get obliterated by heavy upgrades in the late game.
Seen this in several of the games vs marinelord both today and in previous series.
There is a reason for that. Because +2 Attack Seiged Tanks can 1 shot Marine with +3 armor, basically you dont use tank to kill tank, you use tank to kill Marines. Armor upgrade for tanks also does not matter as much because it still take 3 shot from Tank in Seige mode to kill a tank. And Clem was never that rich in economy, I can see why he skipped those upgrade for more production.
Im mean you say that but i have watched him lose tank pushes time and again because of it versus hero marine and marine lord when they get into those stalemated third sieges.
I understand the logic of the + 2 but he still sometimes just straight up loses to better tanks alot. And its almost always when they have way more upgrades than him. The other terrans are building them and winning with it in the late game against him.
Sadly things went downhill quickly for Showtime after that first game. Game 2 there was zero shield battery in the natural knowing thats probably where Clem army would push into it. And Game 3, the Phoenix-Oracle were just missing Medivac drop left and right, like how that is even possible with like 10 units moving around the sky searching for drop and not finding ANY of them.
Serral kept up really well for a while but Clem was just too fast in late game. Hope he goes for more offbeat styles now... or even like, lurkers instead of ultras so he doesn't have to micro on as many fronts.
On October 18 2021 03:07 dysenterymd wrote: Serral kept up really well for a while but Clem was just too fast in late game. Hope he goes for more offbeat styles now.
The moment mines are out for tanks, Serral start losing like any other match vs Clem.
All those games against Reynor made Clem only very hard to counter attack with ling runbys but his crisis management if you do slip one past him is insane. Serral got lings and banes in Clem's natural and main with Clem's army halfway across the map and still only killed 9 scvs.
Widow mines are quite good, I feel like Serral usually loses vs. mass widow mines with ling bane. Wm are like baneling traps but with ranged auto-cast, reusable and double damage.
I don't watch Starcraft 2 super often these days, but man I'm amazed at Clem. Sure he's losing here, but I would never have imagined that we would ever have such an oppressive and mechanically clean foreign terran. He's putting so much pressure all over the map after being 50 pop and down in tech
On October 18 2021 03:22 Captain Peabody wrote: feels like Clem maybe being a little bit overly aggressive?
I think this is why Clem struggles with roach (as well as being less prepared), against roaches you really just need to sit back a lot of the time but Clem is great at and enjoys aggression. Hopefully with time he'll become a more mature player and be more disciplined against roach.
On October 18 2021 03:22 Supter wrote: I don't watch Starcraft 2 super often these days, but man I'm amazed at Clem. Sure he's losing here, but I would never have imagined that we would ever have such an oppressive and mechanically clean foreign terran. He's putting so much pressure all over the map after being 50 pop and down in tech
Completely agree ^^ Always felt like this race was not for foreigners but Clem is getting extremely consistent, almost always placing high.
On October 18 2021 03:22 Captain Peabody wrote: feels like Clem maybe being a little bit overly aggressive?
I think this is why Clem struggles with roach (as well as being less prepared), against roaches you really just need to sit back a lot of the time but Clem is great at and enjoys aggression. Hopefully with time he'll become a more mature player and be more disciplined against roach.
I would disagree a bit on this. You only want to play defensive if its a Roach timing like the one Rogue did. As long as Terran can survive, they will be in much better position. Serral play Roach but also teching up his army into Lurker and Spellcaster, even going back to ling. Its not a good think to just sit back against that style because you will be behind before long. I thought Clem did the right thing, but he should keep his tanks at home to defend and move out with Bio only, until he can reach the critical numer of tanks.
On October 18 2021 03:22 Captain Peabody wrote: feels like Clem maybe being a little bit overly aggressive?
I think this is why Clem struggles with roach (as well as being less prepared), against roaches you really just need to sit back a lot of the time but Clem is great at and enjoys aggression. Hopefully with time he'll become a more mature player and be more disciplined against roach.
I would disagree a bit on this. You only want to play defensive if its a Roach timing like the one Rogue did. As long as Terran can survive, they will be in much better position. Serral play Roach but also teching up his army into Lurker and Spellcaster, even going back to ling. Its not a good think to just sit back against that style because you will be behind before long. I thought Clem did the right thing, but he should keep his tanks at home to defend and move out with Bio only, until he can reach the critical numer of tanks.
True harassing with bio is fine, it was the tanks that were the issue.
Wonder why Clem didn't transition into mines this game, I get why he went for a few tanks early because he was scared of roach but he could have transitioned like he did on lightshade. Maybe he just expected lurkers to be the final tech this map, but either way midgame was awful for him
On October 18 2021 03:22 Captain Peabody wrote: feels like Clem maybe being a little bit overly aggressive?
I think this is why Clem struggles with roach (as well as being less prepared), against roaches you really just need to sit back a lot of the time but Clem is great at and enjoys aggression. Hopefully with time he'll become a more mature player and be more disciplined against roach.
I would disagree a bit on this. You only want to play defensive if its a Roach timing like the one Rogue did. As long as Terran can survive, they will be in much better position. Serral play Roach but also teching up his army into Lurker and Spellcaster, even going back to ling. Its not a good think to just sit back against that style because you will be behind before long. I thought Clem did the right thing, but he should keep his tanks at home to defend and move out with Bio only, until he can reach the critical numer of tanks.
Right, it seems like his main problem both this & last game has been his inability to build up a strong tank count. He's keeping fights away from his own bases and doing some damage, but his siege tanks keep dying so he can't take the big fights when they come.
game 1 it was like 80% certain that clem opens fast 3 base on this map and you go oracle first ? game 2 sure after you lost your economy you could not keep up in a long game but this was no ladder game where you just type gg ,,you had same army suply , go for a all in after that catastrophe start, take your probes what ever it takes ,sure you only have a 5% chance that your all in is winning but do, it is still 5% and better than a gg game 3 so uninspired like the 5 game vs serral chosing this poor zealot opening that failed against serral from all protoss why dont we see a single blink pressure stalker opening vs clem? just because you are great defensiv player great macro player you still can and have to open aggresive builds those aggro builds dont always have to win the game immediately but they can put you in a greater position to than go what ever
the time where you did win a great european championship it was vs nerchio where you did that great all in adept build on the final 5 game
please by the love of god do more aggressive builds, stop building worker some times for that ,watch some zest games just because you are so great defensive and macro doesnt mean that you have to start most games like you want to go to endgame comp you have the skill to do that but to often you think its to great a risk but in fact not doing that is the bigger "risk"
On October 18 2021 03:45 stilt wrote: That was a epic game but quite a early gg
Yeah I have no idea why he did that. Think he probably misread the situation / thought Serral was maxed with huge bank.
Clem couldn't move out, he was just defending and losing CC's over and over again. It was a matter of time or counting on Serral making a huge mistake which he probably decided not to do ...
He was definitely losing after bleeding out so much of his army and his ghosts, but yeah, early gg nonetheless. We'll see how tilted he is in the next game.
Didnt see how many Ghost Clem had in the end, did he lose many of them? I think the issue was Clem could not protect his mining base with only the Orbital, and Serral will just keep sending lings over to stop Clem from mining. Meanwhile Serral got that new fresh base all the way to top right that Clem cant really push into, without losing more of his economy at home. Edit: Also, if Clem was losing Ghost, maybe its better to research Cloak and aim for the Overseer first.
On October 18 2021 03:49 tigera6 wrote: Didnt see how many Ghost Clem had in the end, did he lose many of them? I think the issue was Clem could not protect his mining base with only the Orbital, and Serral will just keep sending lings over to stop Clem from mining. Meanwhile Serral got that new fresh base all the way to top right that Clem cant really push into, without losing more of his economy at home.
yeah Clem had a really strong army but then he separated his bio and ghosts and both kind of got slaughtered at the same time. right before he gged he was trying to build back a few ghosts but was super broke.
On October 18 2021 03:59 Calliope wrote: How is it possible that Serral starts with 1 victory and still they have to play on Jagganatha?
Neither Clem nor Serral get to pick which map is removed. I think they take turn to pick the map played in the Final, the one left at the end shall be removed.
On October 18 2021 03:59 Calliope wrote: How is it possible that Serral starts with 1 victory and still they have to play on Jagganatha?
It's weird but seems like the player from the winner bracket can ban the map he doesn't like or sth like this. Pretty sure I saw the zerg play on beckett when clem was coming out the winner brackett too.
feels weird to say that, but I kinda hope we get some lategames. I'd like to see if Scarlett can take Neeb in that scenario with their current shapes (though admittedly Neeb has stepped it up rather drastically after the group stage)
Serral pummeling Clem 6-2 in overall match score is quite the statement. Clem is the one who now needs to adjust. Dark showed that if you put Clem on the defense or play in his face, it shakes up his rhythm. Edit: Clem if you are reading this, you are fucking incredible, you were made for SC2 Terran.
Congrats to Scarlett as well. She looked quite formidable in the ZvP matchup. This tournament overall has had some ridiculous comebacks and insane games.
I feel that Clem rhythm and timing got all messed up because of the Roach. Suddenly all of his early push and attack look less powerful and decisive because he has to worry about the Roach coming up and destroy everything. Also, the lack of transition between Mines and Tanks hurt the fight against LingBane and Roach/Lurker as well.
On October 18 2021 11:55 Husyelt wrote: Serral pummeling Clem 6-2 in overall match score is quite the statement. Clem is the one who now needs to adjust. Dark showed that if you put Clem on the defense or play in his face, it shakes up his rhythm. Edit: Clem if you are reading this, you are fucking incredible, you were made for SC2 Terran.
Congrats to Scarlett as well. She looked quite formidable in the ZvP matchup. This tournament overall has had some ridiculous comebacks and insane games.
Well, I don't think Clem got outclassed or so, things just went Serral's way those games and in some games Clem had a few uncharacteristic sloppy mistakes which didn't help. If they faced again tomorrow I'd still think it wouldn't be worse than 50/50 winchance for Clem.