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Canada8989 Posts
On September 20 2021 04:30 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:29 Nakajin wrote:On September 20 2021 04:26 Argonauta wrote:
2-1-1 done, roaches done... next? more muts muts? Bc opener? Hellbats? Speed banshees!
Ohhh, I'd take that one!
But I think Rogue is just already pretty dead
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On September 20 2021 04:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:22 WombaT wrote:
Mvp is the clear GOAT sheesh people this again? Has is clearly the goat*. *"Greatness" is here defined by Fanatic-Templar. Other definitions of greatness do not apply.
can't argue with that
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Northern Ireland26255 Posts
On September 20 2021 04:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:22 WombaT wrote:
Mvp is the clear GOAT sheesh people this again? Has is clearly the goat*. *"Greatness" is here defined by Fanatic-Templar. Other definitions of greatness do not apply.
No arguments here.
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lol Maru no faith in Rogue actually paying attention? what was that cloak lmao
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Not the best matchs but at least the score is promising !
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Clearly not enough roaches, Rogue needs to adapt!
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stim for the win 
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ill i do is stim stim stim (8)
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On September 20 2021 04:32 Die4Ever wrote:
lol Maru no faith in Rogue actually paying attention? what was that cloak lmao
Haha yes, such half-hearted sneaking with banshees. I think the spores were already started before the overlord spotted the banshees too.
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United States33558 Posts
On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? ![[image loading]](https://www.zupimages.net/up/21/37/fqva.png) 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament ![[image loading]](https://www.zupimages.net/up/21/37/ri1q.png) He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT  Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good
Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourney.
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On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourrney
Sure, but competition level also plays a role in weighting tournaments, not just cash,
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On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourney.
Yeah, but what the players care about is meaningless in a GOAT discussion.
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United States33558 Posts
On September 20 2021 04:37 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourney. Yeah, but what the players care about is meaningless in a GOAT discussion.
Clearly it matters a lot. Or else we'd weight every wardi event with a stacked roster equally with the GSL. Players are better judges of stakes and what "matters" than fans.
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Mexico2170 Posts
On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourrney
Eh...sure given two tournaments at the same time, one with 60k and one with 20k, you will rather prepare and focus for the 10k one.
However these tournaments don't happen at the same time exactly. And you would rather have 80k than 60k. There's also prestige and the level of play.
GSL. Level of play is pretty consistent. You cannot say the same for the world championship or ESL and dreamhacks where you have two very clear tiers of players. The GSL is without a doubt a harder tournament.
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On September 20 2021 04:37 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:37 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourney. Yeah, but what the players care about is meaningless in a GOAT discussion. Clearly it matters a lot. Or else we'd weight every wardi event with a stacked roster equally with the GSL. Players are better judges of stakes and what "matters" than fans.
by that logic the GOAT list would just be a highest prize-money won list and then Special would be a greater player than Mvp
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On September 20 2021 04:37 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:37 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourney. Yeah, but what the players care about is meaningless in a GOAT discussion. Clearly it matters a lot. Or else we'd weight every wardi event with a stacked roster equally with the GSL. Players are better judges of stakes and what "matters" than fans.
We're clearly talking about different things. And if you're talking about the effort players put in in winning a given tournament, players don't have to put much effort into winning WESG considering only the last 2-3 matches are (possibly) difficult.
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On September 20 2021 04:37 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:37 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourney. Yeah, but what the players care about is meaningless in a GOAT discussion. Clearly it matters a lot. Or else we'd weight every wardi event with a stacked roster equally with the GSL. Players are better judges of stakes and what "matters" than fans.
Yes but the koreans don't care meme aside, players prolly give their all to every lan tournaments with a +10k prize for the winner.
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I will say that one thing I'm super happy about is that the "final GOAT" is definitely still up in the air depending on the next couple of years. Any of Rogue, Maru, Serral (depending on how much you weight his 2018, not trying to get into a debate) still at it; maybe people arguing for Inno if Rogue/Maru/Serral don't have many more accomplishments.
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Canada8989 Posts
On September 20 2021 04:39 [Phantom] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:35 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:17 Durnuu wrote:On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good Doesn't matter. The players care about winning WESG more than winning a "harder" $10k online tourrney Eh...sure given two tournaments at the same time, one with 60k and one with 20k, you will rather prepare and focus for the 10k one. However these tournaments don't happen at the same time exactly. And you would rather have 80k than 60k. There's also prestige and the level of play. GSL. Level of play is pretty consistent. You cannot say the same for the world championship or ESL and dreamhacks where you have two very clear tiers of players. The GSL is without a doubt a harder tournament.
I can't see a world where someone would rather play Serral, Reynor and Clem than DRG, Hurricane and Dream. The top GSL players play in both kind of tournament.
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