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On September 20 2021 04:15 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? ![[image loading]](https://www.zupimages.net/up/21/37/fqva.png) 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament ![[image loading]](https://www.zupimages.net/up/21/37/ri1q.png) He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear I used to believe in the Code S mystique more, but given what progamers admit themselves about their priorities, I think it's clear that the big money tournaments are significantly more important. Rogue is my all time GOAT 
Just because a tournament offers more money doesn't mean it looks better on your resume though, look at WESG and its 32-player pool where like only 4 or 5 are good
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On September 20 2021 04:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear no world championship really taints his claim. I can see your point, but I would personally give Rogue the edge for a more complete resume
additionally to the more competitive era Maru also managed to win when Terran was shit while Rogue mostly had favorable balance on his side
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Also if Rogue wins this GSL I think it's at least arguable which is more impressive: 4 GSLs in a row or 4 GSLS over a longer period of time. Probably the former but not by much.
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Northern Ireland26255 Posts
Mvp is the clear GOAT sheesh people this again?
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On September 20 2021 04:19 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 20 2021 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 04:11 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. Rogue's achievements are pretty insane, but so are Maru's with 4 GSLs, a Super Tournament, an SSL, AND an OSL, also the Proleague performances, and WESG ok too but mostly, Maru has a lot more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places than Rogue does yeah I think Maru is clear no world championship really taints his claim. I can see your point, but I would personally give Rogue the edge for a more complete resume additionally to the more competitive era Maru also managed to win when Terran was shit while Rogue mostly had favorable balance on his side
yeah that one is a fair point, but riding the advantages your race gives you is not something every player has been able to do. I can see why one would diminish Rogue's achievements because of that, but for me it's not decisive in my appreciation of Rogue's palmares
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Come on guys. It wont be bad series after all.
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On September 20 2021 04:22 Die4Ever wrote:
well we have a match
and this is good
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Welp, no more Roach all-in build from Rogue for this series, I hope.
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btw feels good to have such a lively thread, been some time since a tourney allowed that
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On September 20 2021 04:16 Solio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. 5-6 years ago "the most competitive era of the game" Are you aware that players just get way better over time not only in a rts but in any game just because the game gets figured out ? Maru has a really impressive gsl record, he has 4, but Rogue has 3 and in addition to that Maru doesnt really have international tournament wins whereas Rogue is the only player to have won Katowice twice + one other iem + a blizzcon, it's not even close that his resume is better bro
You should look at the definition of competitive buddy
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2-1-1 done, roaches done... next? more muts muts? Bc opener?
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On September 20 2021 04:25 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:16 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 04:07 stilt wrote:On September 20 2021 04:01 Solio wrote:On September 20 2021 03:58 stilt wrote:
Plz maru, win this against the odd, show who is the real goat !
I actually don't get why rogue is so highly rated to be a goat contender, firstly I find dark on his best days more impressive and come on, he didn't win premier tournament or did super good during the kespa area like maru did Maybe because he has the best resume by far ? 2 iem katowice win, one blizzcon, one iem, 3 gsl code s, supertournament He has won the biggest tournaments, in all formats, But did so little during the most competitive area of the game. And best resume by far ? Far better than 4 gsl in a row achieved during his reign ? Ok. 5-6 years ago "the most competitive era of the game" Are you aware that players just get way better over time not only in a rts but in any game just because the game gets figured out ? Maru has a really impressive gsl record, he has 4, but Rogue has 3 and in addition to that Maru doesnt really have international tournament wins whereas Rogue is the only player to have won Katowice twice + one other iem + a blizzcon, it's not even close that his resume is better bro You should look at the definition of competitive buddy
I agree with you
obviously metagame knowledge will pretty much always increase over time, but competitiveness is about how many people are putting in how much effort and talent into the game
in that sense the Proleague days were the peak
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On September 20 2021 04:26 Argonauta wrote:
2-1-1 done, roaches done... next? more muts muts? Bc opener?
bc opener will happen at some point for sure
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On September 20 2021 04:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:26 Argonauta wrote:
2-1-1 done, roaches done... next? more muts muts? Bc opener? bc opener will happen at some point for sure
I always enjoy a good BC game
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Canada8989 Posts
On September 20 2021 04:26 Argonauta wrote:
2-1-1 done, roaches done... next? more muts muts? Bc opener?
Hellbats?
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didn't know rallying the first 4 marines across the map is a thing
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On September 20 2021 04:29 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:26 Argonauta wrote:
2-1-1 done, roaches done... next? more muts muts? Bc opener? Hellbats?
Speed banshees!
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On September 20 2021 04:29 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 04:26 Argonauta wrote:
2-1-1 done, roaches done... next? more muts muts? Bc opener? Hellbats?
In my name and in the name of Artosis, pls no, no hellbat pushes.
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On September 20 2021 04:22 WombaT wrote:
Mvp is the clear GOAT sheesh people this again?
Has is clearly the goat*.
*"Greatness" is here defined by Fanatic-Templar. Other definitions of greatness do not apply.
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EPT
