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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
July 02 2021 15:30 GMT
#201
On July 03 2021 00:28 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2021 00:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
has any series today not been an upset ?

Gabe vs Clem wasn't since Gabe was on a 2 series winning streak against Clem


Yes, I would have still put Clem as a slight favorite but no more than 55/45
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
July 02 2021 15:31 GMT
#202
On July 03 2021 00:28 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2021 00:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
has any series today not been an upset ?

Gabe vs Clem wasn't since Gabe was on a 2 series winning streak against Clem

On July 03 2021 00:28 stilt wrote:
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On July 03 2021 00:26 AzAlexZ wrote:
On June 29 2021 21:23 AzAlexZ wrote:
On June 29 2021 19:39 tigera6 wrote:
Normally the amount of games of DH event in a day is less than TSL, so that may be why they dont have to start as early. Also to avoid viewing conflict with the GSL earlier in the day.
Group D is very interesting with all the TvT with HM might send Clem to the elimination match against Neeb.

lol no way Neeb loses to Time

lol I stand corrected


TIME has a rough 2020 year but he seems back in shape, he did good in TSL.

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2021 00:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
has any series today not been an upset ?


Inno vs Special's result seems normal to me.

yeah but with INno's form and Clem's status nowadays you could argue those are still somehow surprising results. But otherwise agree, those are definitely not as upsetting as the other ones
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
July 02 2021 15:32 GMT
#203
On July 03 2021 00:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
has any series today not been an upset ?


I think even with Innovation being super inconsistent, Innovation winning against Special wasn't an upset. Maybe it was upsetting for fans of Special, but I don't think Special is better than Innovation.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
July 02 2021 15:33 GMT
#204
Terrans topping every group and not winning the tourney anyway is written on the wall isn't it ?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-02 15:37:05
July 02 2021 15:34 GMT
#205
Heromarine beating Clem happens every other week, not sure that's an upset.

I mean, Clem overall might be favored. But lately Heromarine seems to be back at beating him.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 02 2021 15:35 GMT
#206
Man, the breaks are not funny. Instead of paying for the flights of the casters, they should've paid some players to produce some side content like in the SAHSC.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8224 Posts
July 02 2021 15:36 GMT
#207
On July 03 2021 00:34 HolydaKing wrote:
Heromarine beating Clem happens every other week, not sure that's an upset.

Also Clem's TvT isn't exactly as awesome as his TvZ. But that might be due to the lack of top Terrans in EU.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 02 2021 15:37 GMT
#208
On July 03 2021 00:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2021 00:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
has any series today not been an upset ?


I think even with Innovation being super inconsistent, Innovation winning against Special wasn't an upset. Maybe it was upsetting for fans of Special, but I don't think Special is better than Innovation.


Inno is one of the rare enigmatic players whose result in a particular match will always be an 'upset' in the eyes of different people regardless of whether he wins or loses. Quite a feat.
gg no re thx
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 02 2021 15:42 GMT
#209
On July 03 2021 00:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
Man, the breaks are not funny. Instead of paying for the flights of the casters, they should've paid some players to produce some side content like in the SAHSC.


Wait, what? The casters are flown in just to be in a studio? Why can't they cast from their bedrooms?
gg no re thx
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
July 02 2021 15:48 GMT
#210
On July 03 2021 00:42 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2021 00:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
Man, the breaks are not funny. Instead of paying for the flights of the casters, they should've paid some players to produce some side content like in the SAHSC.


Wait, what? The casters are flown in just to be in a studio? Why can't they cast from their bedrooms?


Because casting together in a studio makes a huge difference. The energy levels, synergy, production value etc, all have been a step up since the start of offline casting.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13319 Posts
July 02 2021 15:48 GMT
#211
On July 03 2021 00:48 buzz_bender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2021 00:42 RKC wrote:
On July 03 2021 00:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
Man, the breaks are not funny. Instead of paying for the flights of the casters, they should've paid some players to produce some side content like in the SAHSC.


Wait, what? The casters are flown in just to be in a studio? Why can't they cast from their bedrooms?


Because casting together in a studio makes a huge difference. The energy levels, synergy, production value etc, all have been a step up since the start of offline casting.

Shorter breaks would also make a huge difference
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-02 15:50:32
July 02 2021 15:49 GMT
#212
On July 03 2021 00:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
Man, the breaks are not funny. Instead of paying for the flights of the casters, they should've paid some players to produce some side content like in the SAHSC.

Breaks are easily the biggest weakness of SC2 esports tournament enjoyment. It's unfortunate but there's only so much they can do. Doesn't help that games often take less time than the breaks.
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland369 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-02 15:53:19
July 02 2021 15:51 GMT
#213
If the TLMC finalist are already known and ready, they could show case the future maps during these breaks. It would really show the ESLs involvement in the map selection process.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
July 02 2021 15:58 GMT
#214
that razor thin timing from INno ! Really fun game to begin with
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
July 02 2021 16:00 GMT
#215
Very weird first game between Inno and Nice.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33238 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-02 16:01:45
July 02 2021 16:01 GMT
#216
On July 03 2021 00:48 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2021 00:48 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 03 2021 00:42 RKC wrote:
On July 03 2021 00:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
Man, the breaks are not funny. Instead of paying for the flights of the casters, they should've paid some players to produce some side content like in the SAHSC.


Wait, what? The casters are flown in just to be in a studio? Why can't they cast from their bedrooms?


Because casting together in a studio makes a huge difference. The energy levels, synergy, production value etc, all have been a step up since the start of offline casting.

Shorter breaks would also make a huge difference


Breaks are this long when it's all-online too, so I imagine it's because of their ad-time goals or something like that
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
July 02 2021 16:14 GMT
#217
I just watched the result, how did Rogue lost to Nice?
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-02 16:18:08
July 02 2021 16:17 GMT
#218
On July 03 2021 01:14 Nakajin wrote:
I just watched the result, how did Rogue lost to Nice?


Queen walk against a toss who doesn't 2sg. Rogue was
pushed back which put nice in a good position.
And a lack of AA by Rogue against a 200 pop skytoss (+he produced way too many roachs who did nothing during the mid game)
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 02 2021 16:20 GMT
#219
On July 03 2021 00:11 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2021 23:55 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 02 2021 23:49 JJH777 wrote:
On July 02 2021 17:03 Wardi wrote:
On July 02 2021 13:59 RKC wrote:
Great production and casting, kudos to Scarlett.

But hard to take the competition seriously with the Koreans (once again) being wrecked harder by cross-server lag and time-zone disadvantage.

Here's a suggestion - can matches in the same group be played simultaneously (e.g. winner vs winner and loser v loser) to minimise the wait time and avoid matches being dragged out till 4-5am Korean time? I suppose the drawback is reduced viewership and stretched casting resources.


Trap just won TSL7 in the same / worse conditions (went even later into the night) so while I don’t disagree the time zone has an affect we should maybe realize it does ‘t just make them auto lose.

Then we are complaining about ping when half of maps are favoured for the koreans with ping and other half favour eu with a difference of 30-40, also doesn’t make sense.


Have a source on the ping? I live in California and if I ping western Europe and Korea from my connection it's basically equal. Logically that means if an EU player and a KR player are playing on the LA server it should be basically equal. Meanwhile based on 3rd party websites like wondernetwork ping to east coast is only like 100 for EU and 200 for KR.


We have heard those ping numbers several times from players and casters alike. They say NA West is slightly Korea-favoured, and NA Central slightly EU favoured. It's all in the 150-200 range iirc.


I wish some player would just release actual exact numbers. I just don't see how it's possible players in France/Germany/Italy are having 150+ ping to Chicago and 200+ to LA when everything I can find online and my own personal pinging says that should be 100ish and 140ish respectively for this servers. Especially when the sources I'm finding from KR to US are agree with your numbers but apparently the EU to US ones don't. Feels like TOs just don't want to acknowledge it actually would be more fair for Western EU countries vs Korea to be on NA West


Honestly those numbers have been out several times, but I can't point to a specific place. But you can't automatically conclude that SC2 ping and ping for other stuff is the same.

It's very easy to test, now SC2 shows ping when in the lobby. You just need a person based in KR and another based in EU, and you can see it right away.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-02 16:31:44
July 02 2021 16:31 GMT
#220
Neeb vs Clem in the loser's match is just Brutal
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