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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-01 13:35:29
June 29 2021 08:45 GMT
#1

DreamHack Masters Summer: Season Finals


Group A+B
Thursday, Jul 01 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Group C+D
Friday, Jul 02 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)ESL Pro Tour/2021/22/Masters/Summer


Streams & Casters


uk ESL SC2 - Main Stream | uk ESL SC2 - B Stream

DeMusliM - RotterdaM - ToD - Wardi - ZombieGrub
CatZ - Harstem
Host: Kaelaris


Format


Group Stage:
  • Dual Tournament Format.
  • All matches are Bo3.
  • Top 2 players of each group advance to the Playoffs

Map Pool



Group Stage


Group A
(P)Trap vs (Z)Scarlett
(T)Dream vs (Z)Lambo


Group B
(T)Maru vs (P)Probe
(Z)Reynor vs (P)Zest


Group C
(Z)Rogue vs (P)Nice
(T)INnoVation vs (T)SpeCial


Group D
(T)Clem vs (T)HeRoMaRinE
(P)Neeb vs (T)TIME


Results


+ Show Spoiler [Group A] +


+ Show Spoiler [Group B] +


+ Show Spoiler [Group C] +


+ Show Spoiler [Group D] +





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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-29 08:52:30
June 29 2021 08:45 GMT
#2
Poll: To advance from Group A?

Trap + Dream (21)
 
53%

Trap + Lambo (14)
 
35%

Trap + Scarlett (3)
 
8%

Scarlett + Dream (2)
 
5%

Scarlett + Lambo (0)
 
0%

Dream + Lambo (0)
 
0%

40 total votes

Your vote: To advance from Group A?

(Vote): Trap + Scarlett
(Vote): Trap + Dream
(Vote): Trap + Lambo
(Vote): Scarlett + Dream
(Vote): Scarlett + Lambo
(Vote): Dream + Lambo



Poll: To advance from Group B?

Maru + Reynor (26)
 
65%

Maru + Zest (6)
 
15%

Reynor + Zest (6)
 
15%

Maru + Probe (2)
 
5%

Probe + Reynor (0)
 
0%

Probe + Zest (0)
 
0%

40 total votes

Your vote: To advance from Group B?

(Vote): Maru + Probe
(Vote): Maru + Reynor
(Vote): Maru + Zest
(Vote): Probe + Reynor
(Vote): Probe + Zest
(Vote): Reynor + Zest



Poll: To advance from Group C?

Rogue + INnoVation (21)
 
57%

Rogue + SpeCial (15)
 
41%

Rogue + Nice (1)
 
3%

Nice + INnoVation (0)
 
0%

Nice + SpeCial (0)
 
0%

INnoVation + SpeCial (0)
 
0%

37 total votes

Your vote: To advance from Group C?

(Vote): Rogue + Nice
(Vote): Rogue + INnoVation
(Vote): Rogue + SpeCial
(Vote): Nice + INnoVation
(Vote): Nice + SpeCial
(Vote): INnoVation + SpeCial



Poll: To advance from Group D?

Clem + HeRoMaRinE (16)
 
39%

Clem + Neeb (9)
 
22%

Clem + TIME (8)
 
20%

HeRoMaRinE + TIME (5)
 
12%

HeRoMaRinE + Neeb (2)
 
5%

Neeb + TIME (1)
 
2%

41 total votes

Your vote: To advance from Group D?

(Vote): Clem + HeRoMaRinE
(Vote): Clem + Neeb
(Vote): Clem + TIME
(Vote): HeRoMaRinE + Neeb
(Vote): HeRoMaRinE + TIME
(Vote): Neeb + TIME



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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2344 Posts
June 29 2021 09:12 GMT
#3
Still weired that there is no Serral this time around..
Hoping for Lambo to get some nice results in.
He showed je s competitive againstkoreans in the Team league, so it s notcompletly out of the picture I hope
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21079 Posts
June 29 2021 09:31 GMT
#4
Gotta say group D is pretty interesting. TIME and Heromarine can be pretty strong at TvT and Neeb is Neeb. Tough one to predict. Group A and B are amazing too of course. And in C it'll be interesting if Innovation makes it out or not, since he's apparently slumping atm?
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-29 10:26:15
June 29 2021 10:22 GMT
#5
Yes group D is very difficult to predict. Any combination of the four is likely since Clem doesn't get to play TvZ. Should be interesting.

Gotta say that I'm disappointed that the organisers don't start the games at 3 pm instead of 4 pm. When it was possible for TSL then why not for DHM? That extra hour would have helped minimizing the disadvantage of those playing from East Asia.

We have 10 players in East Asia/Oceania, 4 in Europe, and 2 in NA (afaik).
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-29 10:45:23
June 29 2021 10:39 GMT
#6
Normally the amount of games of DH event in a day is less than TSL, so that may be why they dont have to start as early. Also to avoid viewing conflict with the GSL earlier in the day.
Group D is very interesting with all the TvT with HM might send Clem to the elimination match against Neeb.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany5092 Posts
June 29 2021 11:49 GMT
#7
MOOOAAAAR Trap HYPPPPPUUUU

Love it <3
Go Serral! GG EZ
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada7864 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-29 12:09:54
June 29 2021 12:09 GMT
#8
On June 29 2021 19:22 sneakyfox wrote:
Yes group D is very difficult to predict. Any combination of the four is likely since Clem doesn't get to play TvZ. Should be interesting.

Gotta say that I'm disappointed that the organisers don't start the games at 3 pm instead of 4 pm. When it was possible for TSL then why not for DHM? That extra hour would have helped minimizing the disadvantage of those playing from East Asia.

We have 10 players in East Asia/Oceania, 4 in Europe, and 2 in NA (afaik).


I say just make the day start at 11 or 12. Its peak time for EU players, Neeb and Scarlett are East coast if I remember right so early but not that terrible if you make sure they don't have to play the first match of the day and it end late for Asian player, but not so late that you have to ruin your sleep schedule. (plus the staff get to have a normal day of work)

I mean it's summer and the hours will be bad for NA viewers with day jobs anyway, I can't imagine viewership would be that impacted by it. It's a bit silly seeing that group C that will be played in the middle of the night for everyone.


Anyway, appart from that little rant, I'm hype it should be an interesting tournament.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
3244 Posts
June 29 2021 12:23 GMT
#9
On June 29 2021 19:39 tigera6 wrote:
Normally the amount of games of DH event in a day is less than TSL, so that may be why they dont have to start as early. Also to avoid viewing conflict with the GSL earlier in the day.
Group D is very interesting with all the TvT with HM might send Clem to the elimination match against Neeb.

lol no way Neeb loses to Time
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
3244 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-01 17:24:33
July 01 2021 06:46 GMT
#10
My Predictions:
(in no particular order except Group A and C, I think (Z)Rogue and (P)Trap should get first without too much trouble)

Group A:
Head: (P)Trap, (T)Dream
Heart: (P)Trap (Z)Scarlett

Group B:
Head: (T)Maru, (Z)Reynor
Heart: (T)Maru, (P)Zest

Group C:
Head: (Z)Rogue, (T)SpeCial
Heart: (Z)Rogue, (T)INnoVation

Group D:
Head and Heart are both: (P)Neeb, (T)Clem
Faker is the GOAT!
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States663 Posts
July 01 2021 09:12 GMT
#11
On June 29 2021 21:09 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2021 19:22 sneakyfox wrote:
Yes group D is very difficult to predict. Any combination of the four is likely since Clem doesn't get to play TvZ. Should be interesting.

Gotta say that I'm disappointed that the organisers don't start the games at 3 pm instead of 4 pm. When it was possible for TSL then why not for DHM? That extra hour would have helped minimizing the disadvantage of those playing from East Asia.

We have 10 players in East Asia/Oceania, 4 in Europe, and 2 in NA (afaik).


I say just make the day start at 11 or 12. Its peak time for EU players, Neeb and Scarlett are East coast if I remember right so early but not that terrible if you make sure they don't have to play the first match of the day and it end late for Asian player, but not so late that you have to ruin your sleep schedule. (plus the staff get to have a normal day of work)

I mean it's summer and the hours will be bad for NA viewers with day jobs anyway, I can't imagine viewership would be that impacted by it. It's a bit silly seeing that group C that will be played in the middle of the night for everyone.


Anyway, appart from that little rant, I'm hype it should be an interesting tournament.


NA is a huge part of the viewership and is steady amongst the hours but does peak more toward 11am ET - 4pm ET (or like 5pm CET to 10pm CET?) even though NA would still be in "day job" time. Many many many people watch during their jobs haha. Having it start at 6am ET and potentially end at 11am ET really isn't great for viewership. Also I feel like 11 or 12CET isn't actually peak time for EU players? That'd mean getting up at like 9 or 10 to warm up and get ready. Most e-gamers are leaning more on the night owl side.

I feel like there may be some incorrect time zone assumptions in this reply so feel free to correct me on what you meant lol.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany5092 Posts
July 01 2021 09:50 GMT
#12
On July 01 2021 18:12 ZombieGrub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2021 21:09 Nakajin wrote:
On June 29 2021 19:22 sneakyfox wrote:
Yes group D is very difficult to predict. Any combination of the four is likely since Clem doesn't get to play TvZ. Should be interesting.

Gotta say that I'm disappointed that the organisers don't start the games at 3 pm instead of 4 pm. When it was possible for TSL then why not for DHM? That extra hour would have helped minimizing the disadvantage of those playing from East Asia.

We have 10 players in East Asia/Oceania, 4 in Europe, and 2 in NA (afaik).


I say just make the day start at 11 or 12. Its peak time for EU players, Neeb and Scarlett are East coast if I remember right so early but not that terrible if you make sure they don't have to play the first match of the day and it end late for Asian player, but not so late that you have to ruin your sleep schedule. (plus the staff get to have a normal day of work)

I mean it's summer and the hours will be bad for NA viewers with day jobs anyway, I can't imagine viewership would be that impacted by it. It's a bit silly seeing that group C that will be played in the middle of the night for everyone.


Anyway, appart from that little rant, I'm hype it should be an interesting tournament.


NA is a huge part of the viewership and is steady amongst the hours but does peak more toward 11am ET - 4pm ET (or like 5pm CET to 10pm CET?) even though NA would still be in "day job" time. Many many many people watch during their jobs haha. Having it start at 6am ET and potentially end at 11am ET really isn't great for viewership. Also I feel like 11 or 12CET isn't actually peak time for EU players? That'd mean getting up at like 9 or 10 to warm up and get ready. Most e-gamers are leaning more on the night owl side.

I feel like there may be some incorrect time zone assumptions in this reply so feel free to correct me on what you meant lol.


I guess there just won't be a perfect time slot for 3+ continents...we and the players have to accept that and either adjust or don't until we have offline play available again and the jetlag excuse can be used instead of the timezone excuse for players that are falling short of expectations
Go Serral! GG EZ
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France11344 Posts
July 01 2021 09:54 GMT
#13
On July 01 2021 18:12 ZombieGrub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2021 21:09 Nakajin wrote:
On June 29 2021 19:22 sneakyfox wrote:
Yes group D is very difficult to predict. Any combination of the four is likely since Clem doesn't get to play TvZ. Should be interesting.

Gotta say that I'm disappointed that the organisers don't start the games at 3 pm instead of 4 pm. When it was possible for TSL then why not for DHM? That extra hour would have helped minimizing the disadvantage of those playing from East Asia.

We have 10 players in East Asia/Oceania, 4 in Europe, and 2 in NA (afaik).


I say just make the day start at 11 or 12. Its peak time for EU players, Neeb and Scarlett are East coast if I remember right so early but not that terrible if you make sure they don't have to play the first match of the day and it end late for Asian player, but not so late that you have to ruin your sleep schedule. (plus the staff get to have a normal day of work)

I mean it's summer and the hours will be bad for NA viewers with day jobs anyway, I can't imagine viewership would be that impacted by it. It's a bit silly seeing that group C that will be played in the middle of the night for everyone.


Anyway, appart from that little rant, I'm hype it should be an interesting tournament.


NA is a huge part of the viewership and is steady amongst the hours but does peak more toward 11am ET - 4pm ET (or like 5pm CET to 10pm CET?) even though NA would still be in "day job" time. Many many many people watch during their jobs haha. Having it start at 6am ET and potentially end at 11am ET really isn't great for viewership. Also I feel like 11 or 12CET isn't actually peak time for EU players? That'd mean getting up at like 9 or 10 to warm up and get ready. Most e-gamers are leaning more on the night owl side.

I feel like there may be some incorrect time zone assumptions in this reply so feel free to correct me on what you meant lol.

I think 11 or 12 is indeed bad start time for EU players, not only because probably several of them wake up at that hour, but also because even if you were to wake up at an earlier 9 or 10am, you wouldn't want to eat lunch super early so you would be forced to half ass eat in between games / series which is bad. Early afternoon allows you to wake up at more forgiving gamer time as well as eat lunch at a regular hour.
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warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States257 Posts
July 01 2021 11:32 GMT
#14
Does anybody know why groups A+B, C+D are held simultaneously? Feels like a tournament of this caliber should have groups on separate days.
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy2553 Posts
July 01 2021 12:41 GMT
#15
postponed by 1 hour, starting at 17:00 CEST (both groups)
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-01 13:20:23
July 01 2021 13:18 GMT
#16
On July 01 2021 20:32 warnull wrote:
Does anybody know why groups A+B, C+D are held simultaneously? Feels like a tournament of this caliber should have groups on separate days.

Normally this is a "weekend" type of event, so I assume they have to get through the groups quickly enough to finish it on-time. Also the event itself does not have a lot of prize money (and the previous IEM prizepool was NOT distributed into this one).
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
322 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-01 13:29:58
July 01 2021 13:27 GMT
#17
On July 01 2021 21:41 CynicalDeath wrote:
postponed by 1 hour, starting at 17:00 CEST (both groups)


So, this will become even later for the Koreans?... That means they begin at 12 midnight? How is this remotely fair for the Koreans??
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 01 2021 13:37 GMT
#18
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 01 2021 13:39 GMT
#19
On July 01 2021 20:32 warnull wrote:
Does anybody know why groups A+B, C+D are held simultaneously? Feels like a tournament of this caliber should have groups on separate days.


The previous Season Finals tournaments have only had one group per day so it is a bit weird. It may be related to them having the casters together in the same studio this time, maybe that's why they wanted to compress the schedule.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-01 13:52:27
July 01 2021 13:49 GMT
#20
On July 01 2021 22:39 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2021 20:32 warnull wrote:
Does anybody know why groups A+B, C+D are held simultaneously? Feels like a tournament of this caliber should have groups on separate days.


The previous Season Finals tournaments have only had one group per day so it is a bit weird. It may be related to them having the casters together in the same studio this time, maybe that's why they wanted to compress the schedule.

Also, they cant really expand the date too much to avoid clashing with GSL schedule. If Maru manage to make it all the way to the Final, he will have to play to 4am KR time, and then get up ready for the GSL group at 6pm. Yep, thats sound screwed up.
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