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On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote:
It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season.
Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in!
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On June 28 2021 23:01 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 22:06 buzz_bender wrote:
Is there a particular reason Korean Zerg players tend to put their spawning pool in that location, far away from the Hatchery, near to the ramp? Dark also does this. I don't see the EU Zergs do that. Possibly to avoid getting sniped by the Marine Medivac drop
Does pool somehow gave an extra vision when the creep is not spreading?
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my god , i just dont understand innovation. it rly seems like he doesnt care about the game or practice anymore
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On June 28 2021 23:28 Obamarauder wrote:
my god , i just dont understand innovation. it rly seems like he doesnt care about the game or practice anymore
He truly looks like so, it's kinda sad that he is not that old yet. Wonder if he feels that this meta does not fit him and there is no way to change that?
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As super sad that it is to see neither Innovation nor Dream advance, it is pretty cool to see DRG make it to the ro8 in GSL.
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On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote:
It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in!
Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked.
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On June 29 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote:
It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in! Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked.
I have another opinion on this. Its always easy to judge as an observer but u aint GM 6500 mmr. U can be sure that DRG almost always judges the situation better then if someone like us is playing. U cant compare the observer view with the limited and fast paced ingame view.
U are right that DRG did some mistakes, but thats always the case in sc2. The player with less "mistakes" will win.
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On June 29 2021 01:24 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote:
It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in! Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked. I have another opinion on this. Its always easy to judge as an observer but u aint GM 6500 mmr. U can be sure that DRG almost always judges the situation better then if someone like us is playing. U cant compare the observer view with the limited and fast paced ingame view. U are right that DRG did some mistakes, but thats always the case in sc2. The player with less "mistakes" will win.
Its a FALLACY to presume that only people who perform better can provide criticism to the individual at the point of discussion. There are countless of writer/commentator never play a lick of professional sports, but that does not invalidate their opinion on such subject. On the same token, fan talk about such topic (aka. barber shop talk) in public forum are part of the interaction in the sport.
We dont want to get offensive, nor get personal with the criticism, but that doesnt mean we should "shut up and watch" just because we are not pro-level SC2 player. All the comments I made are comparing the players to their PEERS as well as their past performance, and those mistakes are mostly avoidable to the players of such high caliber.
Mistake are unavoidable, but top pro normally dont make the FATAL ones that literally could cost them the game and match, or they will get roasted just like any other sport. You can get outplay by your opponent, but that is different from making inexplicably bad decision (the throw) either due to pressure or just poor judgement.
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On June 29 2021 00:04 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 23:28 Obamarauder wrote:
my god , i just dont understand innovation. it rly seems like he doesnt care about the game or practice anymore He truly looks like so, it's kinda sad that he is not that old yet. Wonder if he feels that this meta does not fit him and there is no way to change that?
Not that old yet? Inno is older than TY and(purely based on year of birth) he's the next in line for recruitment.
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On June 29 2021 02:30 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 01:24 DarkGamer wrote:On June 29 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote:
It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in! Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked. I have another opinion on this. Its always easy to judge as an observer but u aint GM 6500 mmr. U can be sure that DRG almost always judges the situation better then if someone like us is playing. U cant compare the observer view with the limited and fast paced ingame view. U are right that DRG did some mistakes, but thats always the case in sc2. The player with less "mistakes" will win. Its a FALLACY to presume that only people who perform better can provide criticism to the individual at the point of discussion. There are countless of writer/commentator never play a lick of professional sports, but that does not invalidate their opinion on such subject. On the same token, fan talk about such topic (aka. barber shop talk) in public forum are part of the interaction in the sport. We dont want to get offensive, nor get personal with the criticism, but that doesnt mean we should "shut up and watch" just because we are not pro-level SC2 player. All the comments I made are comparing the players to their PEERS as well as their past performance, and those mistakes are mostly avoidable to the players of such high caliber. Mistake are unavoidable, but top pro normally dont make the FATAL ones that literally could cost them the game and match, or they will get roasted just like any other sport. You can get outplay by your opponent, but that is different from making inexplicably bad decision (the throw) either due to pressure or just poor judgement.
U did miss my point. I never said that you cant critizice the player or the play of them. But "the throw" u talk about is much too often called. Small, not optimal judgements / plays, that the players make, arent "throws", otherwise almost all sc2 games end with a "throw". Back to the game: Dream played a really good game in my opinion but DRG did some missplays. You just exaggerate the mistakes DRG did and dont see the really good play, Dream did.
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I'm rather surprised that Oblivion got played at all given that the players had less than a week to prepare with it. Hopefully we'll see it more in the future.
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why i keep trusting inno  and poor Dream, he deserved to advance
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