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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51320 Posts
Poll: Who Advances?INnoVation & Dark (12) 39% Dark & Dream (8) 26% Dream & INnoVation (5) 16% DRG & Dark (4) 13% DRG & INnoVation (2) 6% Dream & DRG (0) 0% 31 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): DRG & INnoVation (Vote): Dark & Dream (Vote): INnoVation & Dark (Vote): Dream & DRG (Vote): DRG & Dark (Vote): Dream & INnoVation
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I want Innovation and DRG
I think DRG and Dark will make it out
I also want to see 2015 Dream come back and take out these zerg champions, but unlikely
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So today the studio audience is back? Hell yes.
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Did not realise that this was today, great!
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France12463 Posts
I hope to see top level INnoVation , I feel like every combination of players could qualify although Dark will probably qualify no matter what
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This is actually a "group of death" in term of everyone has about the same chance to advance.
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South Korea2103 Posts
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Oblivion AND Nautilus HYPE
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Aahhh the beautiful sound of real humans clapping their hands
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France12463 Posts
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Just wanna point out that Dream, like most terrans at this level, forgot concussive shells
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this game really turned for the worse for DRG
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Tasteless educating us on lurkers is... something else
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WTF is DRG doing, he was ahead or at worst on equal footing, why he keep seiging against Tank + Ghost with Lurker alone? Why not counter attack into another base, the map is so freaking open that he can just run into the main with Lings.
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Btw both of those players suck since they veto'd Oblivion and Nautilus
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really Artosis? I think Solar is awesome lately
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Does Dream think he is Cure
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not a great match from DRG...
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DRG really played bad today.
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On June 28 2021 19:17 Die4Ever wrote: not a great match from DRG... It was one of the worst TvZ game I have seen him played in months. How could he not freaking scouting the Terran main even once in the entire game? Not knowing the timing of the 3rd and realize its an 2 base all-in was terrible.
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On June 28 2021 19:11 Die4Ever wrote: really Artosis? I think Solar is awesome lately
Yeah he's been on fire lately. Can definitely see why he wasn't an early pick in his current form.
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that drone had an extra floaty animation getting bounced by that reaper grenade lol
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On June 28 2021 19:40 Die4Ever wrote: that gg timing lol
Why hurry when you're comfortable in your chair enjoying a nice game of starcraft?
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I like that style of heavy counters dark recently reintroduced to zvt, makes it more exciting
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Inno is just furious with that treacherous marine right now. How could you do it
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Hey I actually had a night free to watch this. Unpopular picks, but I'm picking Dream and DRG to advance out of this mess. But if Dark advances I wont be mad.
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Just amazing. The main reason we all keep coming back to the GSL.
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Double Dragon Phoenix Gaming lol
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doesn't youtube support clips now? why doesn't GSL have it?
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GIANT ROBOT WINS
how often does Terran go Mech and win vs Zerg (or anyone) lol
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Broods feel pretty underwhelming in the current game state =/
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CALCULATED it had 4 health left lol
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How is Dark still alive lol
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dark really won this game wtf
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HOLY SHIT LOL what an insane game
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Dark just violate every single BC rights there.
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Oh my god. Never seen that before.
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Best usage of infestors of all time. Really a dark.
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That comeback man... love that Dark can play any composition.
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What an insane comeback. Cannot believe Dark survived the first big push.
It seems the safest recipe for a great Starcraft game is just to have Dark get really far behind in the early game.
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On June 28 2021 20:56 Durnuu wrote: Another amazing game
One might say it would be fitting to bring back the Best Games of the Month series
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On June 28 2021 20:59 sneakyfox wrote:One might say it would be fitting to bring back the Best Games of the Month series I'd just link all of Dark's games and be done with
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Dark killed more with 2 lings than Dream did with 2rax
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On June 28 2021 21:00 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 20:59 sneakyfox wrote:On June 28 2021 20:56 Durnuu wrote: Another amazing game One might say it would be fitting to bring back the Best Games of the Month series I'd just link all of Dark's games and be done with
Entirely defensible choice.
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If the Zerg is good I just dont see how you beat them in this match up on this map other than a timing all in.
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On June 28 2021 21:00 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 20:59 sneakyfox wrote:On June 28 2021 20:56 Durnuu wrote: Another amazing game One might say it would be fitting to bring back the Best Games of the Month series I'd just link all of Dark's games and be done with
Two great games from Dark's ZvT. One with Clem, another one with GSL today.
I can claim Dark now as the current best ZvT, followed by Rogue and Reynor.
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this map reminds me of Dual Sight, which reminds me of that sick Leenock vs Mvp GSL semifinal, I think it was game 5, Mvp was dropping like single marauders it was so close at the end
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looks like a minor visual bug with this map, that creep tumor at the top of the ramp has a real funny angle
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On June 28 2021 21:30 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 21:00 Durnuu wrote:On June 28 2021 20:59 sneakyfox wrote:On June 28 2021 20:56 Durnuu wrote: Another amazing game One might say it would be fitting to bring back the Best Games of the Month series I'd just link all of Dark's games and be done with Two great games from Dark's ZvT. One with Clem, another one with GSL today. I can claim Dark now as the current best ZvT, followed by Rogue and Reynor.
Watch ye tongue, or ye may summon and be smitten by the wrath of Lord Xainon, Defender of Westeros!
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This map feels huge, but looks so beautiful
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Inno is washed
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in the group selections people were saying inno hasn't been playing much, seems to be true
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On June 28 2021 21:41 tigera6 wrote:Inno is washed
Tbf people have been saying that since the beginning of LotV. Although it is more true now than then.
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On June 28 2021 21:44 sneakyfox wrote:Tbf people have been saying that since the beginning of LotV. Although it is more true now than then. he has his phases, he did really well in the qualifier
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Did DRG just forget Baneling Speed? o_O
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On June 28 2021 21:35 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 21:30 swarminfestor wrote:On June 28 2021 21:00 Durnuu wrote:On June 28 2021 20:59 sneakyfox wrote:On June 28 2021 20:56 Durnuu wrote: Another amazing game One might say it would be fitting to bring back the Best Games of the Month series I'd just link all of Dark's games and be done with Two great games from Dark's ZvT. One with Clem, another one with GSL today. I can claim Dark now as the current best ZvT, followed by Rogue and Reynor. Watch ye tongue, or ye may summon and be smitten by the wrath of Lord Xainon, Defender of Westeros!
Hahahah I loved it.
Dark as current best ZvT player? It's not an unreasonable claim, I would not agree tho.
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Is there a particular reason Korean Zerg players tend to put their spawning pool in that location, far away from the Hatchery, near to the ramp? Dark also does this. I don't see the EU Zergs do that.
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On June 28 2021 21:30 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 21:00 Durnuu wrote:On June 28 2021 20:59 sneakyfox wrote:On June 28 2021 20:56 Durnuu wrote: Another amazing game One might say it would be fitting to bring back the Best Games of the Month series I'd just link all of Dark's games and be done with Two great games from Dark's ZvT. One with Clem, another one with GSL today. I can claim Dark now as the current best ZvT, followed by Rogue and Reynor.
I kind of agree with this statement. TvZ Dark's by far best match up. Very strong late game player, Insanely strong spell casting capabilities makes him totally uncomfortable to play against for any Terran player. I feel like turtle terran has a chance against Dark as we saw in game 1. against Dear
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cmon dream you can do it!!
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France12463 Posts
The rematch curse is too strong
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Sigh, poor Dream. He was doing so well earlier today too.
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The first series was really bad from DRG, but the second series was complete domination. I think it more like Dream gave DRG too much freedom to build up economy especially in 2nd game.
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sad that dream was so close to making it to the round of 8 but in the end didnt..
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It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season.
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On June 28 2021 22:06 buzz_bender wrote: Is there a particular reason Korean Zerg players tend to put their spawning pool in that location, far away from the Hatchery, near to the ramp? Dark also does this. I don't see the EU Zergs do that. Possibly to avoid getting sniped by the Marine Medivac drop
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On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote: It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season.
Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in!
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On June 28 2021 23:01 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 22:06 buzz_bender wrote: Is there a particular reason Korean Zerg players tend to put their spawning pool in that location, far away from the Hatchery, near to the ramp? Dark also does this. I don't see the EU Zergs do that. Possibly to avoid getting sniped by the Marine Medivac drop
Does pool somehow gave an extra vision when the creep is not spreading?
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my god , i just dont understand innovation. it rly seems like he doesnt care about the game or practice anymore
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On June 28 2021 23:28 Obamarauder wrote: my god , i just dont understand innovation. it rly seems like he doesnt care about the game or practice anymore
He truly looks like so, it's kinda sad that he is not that old yet. Wonder if he feels that this meta does not fit him and there is no way to change that?
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As super sad that it is to see neither Innovation nor Dream advance, it is pretty cool to see DRG make it to the ro8 in GSL.
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On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote: It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in! Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked.
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On June 29 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote: It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in! Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked.
I have another opinion on this. Its always easy to judge as an observer but u aint GM 6500 mmr. U can be sure that DRG almost always judges the situation better then if someone like us is playing. U cant compare the observer view with the limited and fast paced ingame view. U are right that DRG did some mistakes, but thats always the case in sc2. The player with less "mistakes" will win.
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On June 29 2021 01:24 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote: It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in! Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked. I have another opinion on this. Its always easy to judge as an observer but u aint GM 6500 mmr. U can be sure that DRG almost always judges the situation better then if someone like us is playing. U cant compare the observer view with the limited and fast paced ingame view. U are right that DRG did some mistakes, but thats always the case in sc2. The player with less "mistakes" will win. Its a FALLACY to presume that only people who perform better can provide criticism to the individual at the point of discussion. There are countless of writer/commentator never play a lick of professional sports, but that does not invalidate their opinion on such subject. On the same token, fan talk about such topic (aka. barber shop talk) in public forum are part of the interaction in the sport. We dont want to get offensive, nor get personal with the criticism, but that doesnt mean we should "shut up and watch" just because we are not pro-level SC2 player. All the comments I made are comparing the players to their PEERS as well as their past performance, and those mistakes are mostly avoidable to the players of such high caliber. Mistake are unavoidable, but top pro normally dont make the FATAL ones that literally could cost them the game and match, or they will get roasted just like any other sport. You can get outplay by your opponent, but that is different from making inexplicably bad decision (the throw) either due to pressure or just poor judgement.
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On June 29 2021 00:04 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2021 23:28 Obamarauder wrote: my god , i just dont understand innovation. it rly seems like he doesnt care about the game or practice anymore He truly looks like so, it's kinda sad that he is not that old yet. Wonder if he feels that this meta does not fit him and there is no way to change that?
Not that old yet? Inno is older than TY and(purely based on year of birth) he's the next in line for recruitment.
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On June 29 2021 02:30 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2021 01:24 DarkGamer wrote:On June 29 2021 00:53 tigera6 wrote:On June 28 2021 23:20 DarkGamer wrote:On June 28 2021 22:39 tigera6 wrote: It was more like WTF DRG was doing in the 1st match though. He could have won it had he not making those major mistakes, so I am not suprised he won the last match. Now we might have as many as 4 Zergs in the Ro8 this season. Its cuz he had no vision like us spectatores and didnt handle the 2 base all ins. Beside that, Dream had supurb micro. He was also close to winning against Dark in a really close bo3, where Dream didnt play any two base all in! Game 1 DRG was literally smashing his entire army into Tanks line and Ghost firing squad in the middle of the map when he can just send the unit to the 3rd/4th/5th base to harass non-stop. Game 2, DRG already saw the Terran units after losing his 4th, while scouting the delayed 3rd from Terran, and thats enough information to just throw down 4 Spores Crawlers. Then when Dream camp outside of DRGNatural underneath the Ramp, instead of surrounding or even pulling back the Lings, he went for the 1 way push into Marine-Tanks and they just died. Dream got good micro, but he is not Clem, and that 2 bases all-in should have never worked. I have another opinion on this. Its always easy to judge as an observer but u aint GM 6500 mmr. U can be sure that DRG almost always judges the situation better then if someone like us is playing. U cant compare the observer view with the limited and fast paced ingame view. U are right that DRG did some mistakes, but thats always the case in sc2. The player with less "mistakes" will win. Its a FALLACY to presume that only people who perform better can provide criticism to the individual at the point of discussion. There are countless of writer/commentator never play a lick of professional sports, but that does not invalidate their opinion on such subject. On the same token, fan talk about such topic (aka. barber shop talk) in public forum are part of the interaction in the sport. We dont want to get offensive, nor get personal with the criticism, but that doesnt mean we should "shut up and watch" just because we are not pro-level SC2 player. All the comments I made are comparing the players to their PEERS as well as their past performance, and those mistakes are mostly avoidable to the players of such high caliber. Mistake are unavoidable, but top pro normally dont make the FATAL ones that literally could cost them the game and match, or they will get roasted just like any other sport. You can get outplay by your opponent, but that is different from making inexplicably bad decision (the throw) either due to pressure or just poor judgement.
U did miss my point. I never said that you cant critizice the player or the play of them. But "the throw" u talk about is much too often called. Small, not optimal judgements / plays, that the players make, arent "throws", otherwise almost all sc2 games end with a "throw". Back to the game: Dream played a really good game in my opinion but DRG did some missplays. You just exaggerate the mistakes DRG did and dont see the really good play, Dream did.
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I'm rather surprised that Oblivion got played at all given that the players had less than a week to prepare with it. Hopefully we'll see it more in the future.
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why i keep trusting inno and poor Dream, he deserved to advance
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