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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:08 Elentos wrote: Clem out in the first round, Reynor losing to Byun, have the foreigners stopped caring? Liquipedia apparently doesn't list this tournament as premier, so it clearly doesn't matter to anyone what happens. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:08 Elentos wrote: Clem out in the first round, Reynor losing to Byun, have the foreigners stopped caring? But Reynor still beat Stats to advance I wonder what the stats on Korean vs. foreigner matchups would be if Serral, Reynor, and even Clem were removed. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
 Inno + DRG now please | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
Because Stats cares even less than Reynor clearly. This is now a contest of who cares the least. | ||
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darklycid
3562 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:13 Elentos wrote: Because Stats cares even less than Reynor clearly. This is now a contest of who cares the least. I bet they don't even care about that smh. | ||
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Sim999
39 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Apart of that, these last tournaments have been kind of onesided. The previous season finals this year were more balanced when it came to korean vs foreigners. Very strong performance by Solar, Maru's experience in TvT showed up while Clem today played well at times but his nerves evidently got the better of him. On November 29 2020 03:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: The revenge of the Koreans Inno + DRG now pleaseAs long as Reynor wins the tournament, I'm fine with it. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:10 Fango wrote: Liquipedia apparently doesn't list this tournament as premier, so it clearly doesn't matter to anyone what happens. I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote: I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. Who cares? Premiere tournaments don't really hold much value no more, since almost all of them are premiere anyway, even fun tournaments like GSL vs the world or HSC. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote: I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. HSC seem to switch between premier and major depending on the prize money so I think it's that. You need $10K for first place to be premier or something? Then again if the 2016 Cross Finals can somehow be a premier event then anything can. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9224 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote: Who cares? Premiere tournaments don't really hold much value no more, since almost all of them are premiere anyway, even fun tournaments like GSL vs the world or HSC. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. People often argue stuff about tournaments and use tournament statistics from Liquipedia with its tournament classification. This  GPC 2019 Season 1 being counted as Premier but not ASUS makes 0 sense but will influence those discussions. In that sense it bothers me. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9224 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote: I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. Yeah it only meets two of the five criteria: Liquipedia:Notability Guidelines since it's 50% invite and only has a 15k prize pool. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote: Who cares? Premiere tournaments don't really hold much value no more, since almost all of them are premiere anyway, even fun tournaments like GSL vs the world or HSC. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. I don't agree that GSL vs the world is a "fun tournament" but yeah - what liquipedia considers a premier tournament and what not doesn't really hold much value except for people who want to brag that player X won the most amount of tournaments that are considered "premier" according to liquipedia arbitrary criteria | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah it only meets two of the five criteria: Liquipedia:Notability Guidelines since it's 50% invite and only has a 15k prize pool.One of the 5 is offline play which is not viable outside of GSL in 2020 so it should be disregarded. It's got 2/4 then, should be enough to count given that one of the two is ESL points. | ||
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rogzardo_
24 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote: A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. This is a good point really. World Championships and Starleagues should be in a distinct category. The way it is currently is misleading to anyone who doesn't follow the game closely. | ||
Waxangel
United States33709 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 29 2020 03:36 Elentos wrote: One of the 5 is offline play which is not viable outside of GSL in 2020 so it should be disregarded. It's got 2/4 then, should be enough to count given that one of the two is ESL points. The EPT points requirement was only added because of the pandemic iirc, so it was originally 3 out of 4. | ||
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