On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
This is a much trickier group than it looks. Rogue is the clear favorite but it's not like Neeb can't snipe him he managed to do so a few times already. But there is no way in hell he would lose against Elazer. Only Serral and maybe Reynor can match the sexy boy in ZvZ. Trap seems to be in a big slump and kinda hopeless against Zerg.
It wouldn't surprise me if we had Elazer vs Neeb in the winners, but I can't imagine Rogue not advancing. Going for Neeb and Rogue here.
On October 27 2019 06:00 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is a much trickier group than it looks. Rogue is the clear favorite but it's not like Neeb can't snipe him he managed to do so a few times already. But there is no way in hell he would lose against Elazer. Only Serral and maybe Reynor can match the sexy boy in ZvZ. Trap seems to be in a big slump and kinda hopeless against Zerg.
It wouldn't surprise me if we had Elazer vs Neeb in the winners, but I can't imagine Rogue not advancing. Going for Neeb and Rogue here.
Dude that's what I thought in GSL vs TW, and Dark lost vs Elazer.
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
Trap's ridiculously good at PvT. His PvZ isn't so hot.
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
Trap's ridiculously good at PvT. His PvZ isn't so hot.
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
Trap's ridiculously good at PvT. His PvZ isn't so hot.
It's about as good as any other Protoss.
It's not. I'd put his PvZ as probably the worst among the top Protosses (who themselves haven't been doing so well as we've seen over the past few days). Of course Elazer isn't Serral, so we'll see if that makes a difference.
On October 27 2019 06:00 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is a much trickier group than it looks. Rogue is the clear favorite but it's not like Neeb can't snipe him he managed to do so a few times already. But there is no way in hell he would lose against Elazer. Only Serral and maybe Reynor can match the sexy boy in ZvZ. Trap seems to be in a big slump and kinda hopeless against Zerg.
It wouldn't surprise me if we had Elazer vs Neeb in the winners, but I can't imagine Rogue not advancing. Going for Neeb and Rogue here.
Dude that's what I thought in GSL vs TW, and Dark lost vs Elazer.
Well, but Rogue is far superior in ZvZ than Dark is
I really think anyone has a shot here. Probably Rogue/Neeb.
I know Elazer had a good run at GSLvWorld but that's still really an outlier performance for him. It will be interesting to see if he can back it up though.
Hoping for Trap and Neeb. I really don't like Rogue's games (so I hope he loses) and I don't think Elazer has what it takes to make it out of this group.
Trap's PvZ has been his worst matchup this year, Elazer's ZvZ should reasonably inferior to Rogue's but he definitely can win! Mariano, my friend, you predicted Reynor out of Blizzcon yesterday, and you already disregarded Elazer once.
I don't have high hopes for Neeb, to think that his PvZ used to be the best in the world last year...
well the biggest watch piont today is that If this game if perfectly balanced-can all zerg players make to RO8? If not BLZ pls fix the bug,together with the yesterday one: Protoss can make it out
This could be a tricky group tbh. I don't see Rogue losing to any of these kids in a Bo5 but everything else is very up in the air. Trap is definitely the 2nd best player here but personally I think his PvP is super average and he's been in quite a slump since the GSL finals, so I could see him potentially losing to both Neeb and Elazer if stars align (and we've had much better upsets than that so far this Blizzcon so who knows what will happen).
Neeb doesn't shine in any matchup anymore but if he's in good shape I don't think his chances are too bad. And Elazer is very dangerous and his style is similar to Rogue's aggressive styles in the GSL finals, so even he has a decent chance. Plus, while Elazer is inferior to Rogue overall, Rogue still has some pretty shitty ZvZ builds so you never know.