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This seems like the most predictable group, Rogue and Trap are both looking so good. Only way I see a surprise elimination happening is if Trap goes beast mode against Rogue and Elazer somehow sneaks past Neeb to take out Rogue with some EU ZvZ.
On October 27 2019 00:59 dysenterymd wrote: This seems like the most predictable group, Rogue and Trap are both looking so good. Only way I see a surprise elimination happening is if Trap goes beast mode against Rogue and Elazer somehow sneaks past Neeb to take out Rogue with some EU ZvZ.
Trap is derping hard since the GSL final. He's 1-1-7 in game with a 2-12 map score
I hope I'm not actually correct on this >_> I need more Protoss non-Zerg races in the quarterfinals, so I'm gonna be rooting for the Toss in this group.
For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
I hope he was able to regain some composure in the meantime and got good practice. Never doubt Jin Air, it’s probably Rogue / Trap tomorrow
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
I hope he was able to regain some composure in the meantime and got good practice. Never doubt Jin Air, it’s probably Rogue / Trap tomorrow
That's true, he better end that massive slump. And he probably will, but we shall see!
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
This is a much trickier group than it looks. Rogue is the clear favorite but it's not like Neeb can't snipe him he managed to do so a few times already. But there is no way in hell he would lose against Elazer. Only Serral and maybe Reynor can match the sexy boy in ZvZ. Trap seems to be in a big slump and kinda hopeless against Zerg.
It wouldn't surprise me if we had Elazer vs Neeb in the winners, but I can't imagine Rogue not advancing. Going for Neeb and Rogue here.
On October 27 2019 06:00 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is a much trickier group than it looks. Rogue is the clear favorite but it's not like Neeb can't snipe him he managed to do so a few times already. But there is no way in hell he would lose against Elazer. Only Serral and maybe Reynor can match the sexy boy in ZvZ. Trap seems to be in a big slump and kinda hopeless against Zerg.
It wouldn't surprise me if we had Elazer vs Neeb in the winners, but I can't imagine Rogue not advancing. Going for Neeb and Rogue here.
Dude that's what I thought in GSL vs TW, and Dark lost vs Elazer.
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
Trap's ridiculously good at PvT. His PvZ isn't so hot.
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
Trap's ridiculously good at PvT. His PvZ isn't so hot.
On October 27 2019 01:44 HolydaKing wrote: For me PvZ is probably the worst match up to watch atm, so I hope both Zergs advance. It's not unlikely either considering Trap is 2–12 (14.29%) in games and 1–7 (12.50%) in matches after his 0-4 against Rogue (data from Aligulac).
It is thrilling if herO and his ability to turn games into clown fiestas, often though yeah it has this depressing inevitability to it.
Come to think of it Elazer did pull off one of the more ridiculous comebacks I’ve seen in the matchup against Neeb at GSL vs the World so I hope for similar carnage if they face off this time.
Hard to bet against Z in ZvP these days. I also kind of just want the Protoss presence to be completely wiped out at this point so we can have a less frustrating Ro8. Even if it does become mostly ZvZ mirrors, at least we'll get a feeling of who's got the more skill without the looming shadow of balance souring everything.
That said.. Trap is ridiculously good, so he might beat Elazer.
Trap's ridiculously good at PvT. His PvZ isn't so hot.
It's about as good as any other Protoss.
It's not. I'd put his PvZ as probably the worst among the top Protosses (who themselves haven't been doing so well as we've seen over the past few days). Of course Elazer isn't Serral, so we'll see if that makes a difference.
On October 27 2019 06:00 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is a much trickier group than it looks. Rogue is the clear favorite but it's not like Neeb can't snipe him he managed to do so a few times already. But there is no way in hell he would lose against Elazer. Only Serral and maybe Reynor can match the sexy boy in ZvZ. Trap seems to be in a big slump and kinda hopeless against Zerg.
It wouldn't surprise me if we had Elazer vs Neeb in the winners, but I can't imagine Rogue not advancing. Going for Neeb and Rogue here.
Dude that's what I thought in GSL vs TW, and Dark lost vs Elazer.
Well, but Rogue is far superior in ZvZ than Dark is
I really think anyone has a shot here. Probably Rogue/Neeb.
I know Elazer had a good run at GSLvWorld but that's still really an outlier performance for him. It will be interesting to see if he can back it up though.
Hoping for Trap and Neeb. I really don't like Rogue's games (so I hope he loses) and I don't think Elazer has what it takes to make it out of this group.
Trap's PvZ has been his worst matchup this year, Elazer's ZvZ should reasonably inferior to Rogue's but he definitely can win! Mariano, my friend, you predicted Reynor out of Blizzcon yesterday, and you already disregarded Elazer once.
I don't have high hopes for Neeb, to think that his PvZ used to be the best in the world last year...
well the biggest watch piont today is that If this game if perfectly balanced-can all zerg players make to RO8? If not BLZ pls fix the bug,together with the yesterday one: Protoss can make it out
This could be a tricky group tbh. I don't see Rogue losing to any of these kids in a Bo5 but everything else is very up in the air. Trap is definitely the 2nd best player here but personally I think his PvP is super average and he's been in quite a slump since the GSL finals, so I could see him potentially losing to both Neeb and Elazer if stars align (and we've had much better upsets than that so far this Blizzcon so who knows what will happen).
Neeb doesn't shine in any matchup anymore but if he's in good shape I don't think his chances are too bad. And Elazer is very dangerous and his style is similar to Rogue's aggressive styles in the GSL finals, so even he has a decent chance. Plus, while Elazer is inferior to Rogue overall, Rogue still has some pretty shitty ZvZ builds so you never know.
I don't understand Trap's decision to wait I feel like he had a very solid chance to kill Elazer while the greater spire was building. Now it feels hopeless.
On October 27 2019 12:44 JJH777 wrote: I don't understand Trap's decision to wait I feel like he had a very solid chance to kill Elazer while the greater spire was building. Now it feels hopeless.
Well the GS was about 1-2 minute late, surely Trap was thinking it was just about to finish when he scouted it
On October 27 2019 12:54 Die4Ever wrote: Wait, fungaled interceptors move so slowly that they barely ever get to shoot, what's the DPS of a fungaled interceptor?
0 if they can't reach it's target before dying from the damage? Can anyone confirm?
Very fun game 1. I do wonder why Trap didn't try to finish of that Greater spire. Might have been paying attention to somethnig else for a few seconds.
What a sick game by great elazer. Using that broodlord infestor too good that it's so good he defeated a good protoss player. That's a really inspiring broodlord infestor by elazer
I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
On October 27 2019 12:57 Monochromatic wrote: I like Elazers strategy. He knows Zerg wins lategame, so just get there as safely as possible while holding your opponent to 3 bases.
Trap not finishing that Greater Spire looked weird. Like it wasn't even properly targetted? As soon as zerg units showed up, all Trap's units just started shooting whatever.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I think it's a mix of both. Trap's not playing his best right now and Elazer is performing better than Trap.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
edit: Also this build was really cool from Trap. It feels like a cousin to the build that uses glaived adepts instead at a very similar timing.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
He was ahead 20 workers for ages, trap did two timing attacks that were relatively committed, that did nothing. Coming back from that is basically impossible. But yeah elazer wasnt great there.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
Elazer defended perfectly and then built a late game composition, which thwarted everything Trap tried throwing against with superb micro and unit composition. Masterful play by any standard. I would put Elazer on the level of Dark or Rogue, which means he is slightly worse than Serral.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
Elazer defended perfectly and then built a late game composition, which thwarted everything Trap tried throwing against with superb micro and unit composition. Masterful play by any standard. I would put Elazer on the level of Dark or Rogue, which means he is slightly worse than Serral.
Ignoring the fact that Elazer's micro was sloppy, and that he was losing bases right left and centre, are you really giving Elazer credit for building mass infestor?
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
Elazer defended perfectly and then built a late game composition, which thwarted everything Trap tried throwing against with superb micro and unit composition. Masterful play by any standard. I would put Elazer on the level of Dark or Rogue, which means he is slightly worse than Serral.
Nah Trap basically out macro him to the late game, Elazer had a huge lead at the start of the mid game and it was "even" when they got into the late game, he didn't put any pressure and let Trap slow his growth.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
Elazer defended perfectly and then built a late game composition, which thwarted everything Trap tried throwing against with superb micro and unit composition. Masterful play by any standard. I would put Elazer on the level of Dark or Rogue, which means he is slightly worse than Serral.
Ignoring the fact that Elazer's micro was sloppy, and that he was losing bases right left and centre, are you really giving Elazer credit for building mass infestor?
Yes. Elazer made a good decision by massing infestors. In this game, after mechanics, good decision making wins games. Elazer made good decisions and won that game. Its that simple, really
On October 27 2019 13:10 Seeker wrote: Can someone explain why Elazer moved in and attacked? That seemed really unnecssary... Why not just go for the Hive composition like game 1?
...because he's confident he can just repeat what he did in game 1 and win the series anyway?
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
Elazer defended perfectly and then built a late game composition, which thwarted everything Trap tried throwing against with superb micro and unit composition. Masterful play by any standard. I would put Elazer on the level of Dark or Rogue, which means he is slightly worse than Serral.
Ignoring the fact that Elazer's micro was sloppy, and that he was losing bases right left and centre, are you really giving Elazer credit for building mass infestor?
Yes. Elazer made a good decision by massing infestors. In this game, after mechanics, good decision making wins games. Elazer made good decisions and won that game. Its that simple, really
Lmao. Yes making mass infestor is a good decision, but it's also a dead obvious one. Might as well praise players for building workers.
Elazer doesn’t understand Trap as a player and his ultra defensive playstyle. So he went for a timing after some early losses instead of just going hive because he thought Trap would attack him instead of sitting back.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
I disagree. Elazer didn't play well either.
Elazer defended perfectly and then built a late game composition, which thwarted everything Trap tried throwing against with superb micro and unit composition. Masterful play by any standard. I would put Elazer on the level of Dark or Rogue, which means he is slightly worse than Serral.
Ignoring the fact that Elazer's micro was sloppy, and that he was losing bases right left and centre, are you really giving Elazer credit for building mass infestor?
Yes. Elazer made a good decision by massing infestors. In this game, after mechanics, good decision making wins games. Elazer made good decisions and won that game. Its that simple, really
Lmao. Yes making mass infestor is a good decision, but it's also a dead obvious one. Might as well praise players for building workers.
I think he is actually trolling by praising zergs going for winfestors and building them in spades.
On October 27 2019 13:24 SamirDuran wrote: I do love this pvz meta. "dont let the get there" is so nostalgic and sweet meta that i do want to watch more sc2
On October 27 2019 13:24 SamirDuran wrote: I do love this pvz meta. "dont let the get there" is so nostalgic and sweet meta that i do want to watch more sc2
Make me reminiscent of the old SH, those were the days.
You guys remember when 2 zerg made the game crash going SH-BL vs SH-BL?
On October 27 2019 13:24 SamirDuran wrote: I do love this pvz meta. "dont let the get there" is so nostalgic and sweet meta that i do want to watch more sc2
Make me reminiscent of the old SH, those were the days.
You guys remember when 2 zerg made the game crash going SH-BL vs SH-BL?
No, could you please send me a link to that game? I will gladly watch it instead of this year's global playoffs.
On October 27 2019 13:24 SamirDuran wrote: I do love this pvz meta. "dont let the get there" is so nostalgic and sweet meta that i do want to watch more sc2
Make me reminiscent of the old SH, those were the days.
You guys remember when 2 zerg made the game crash going SH-BL vs SH-BL?
No, could you please send me a link to that game? I will gladly watch it instead of this year's global playoffs.
Sadly no, it was either a ladder or an online cup. In my memory it was a SEA game, but I don't remember who was playing, I just remember the fuzz it made at the time.
On October 27 2019 13:31 dysenterymd wrote: Trap making it to the grand finals before losing to Serral to become the first protoss kong would be a good story
Even so he would still have 2 silvers less than Stats.
On October 27 2019 13:31 dysenterymd wrote: Trap making it to the grand finals before losing to Serral to become the first protoss kong would be a good story
Even so he would still have 2 silvers less than Stats.
Yeah but Stats also has plenty of 1st places, probably enough to be saved from konghood
On October 27 2019 13:31 dysenterymd wrote: Trap making it to the grand finals before losing to Serral to become the first protoss kong would be a good story
Trap won a MLG back in 2014. He's not a true kong.
On October 27 2019 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When Rogue says "Balance is also good this time", does he mean that balance is good for him, or that the game is balanced?
Probably in general. Wasn't he the one who started this balance shitstorm in the first place?
On October 27 2019 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When Rogue says "Balance is also good this time", does he mean that balance is good for him, or that the game is balanced?
From what I know about progamers it means their race is broken.
On October 27 2019 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When Rogue says "Balance is also good this time", does he mean that balance is good for him, or that the game is balanced?
On October 27 2019 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When Rogue says "Balance is also good this time", does he mean that balance is good for him, or that the game is balanced?
Probably in general. Wasn't he the one who started this balance shitstorm in the first place?
I think Blizzard probably doesn't let them talk shit about balance, "the meta is good for me" is the most that Rogue could say
Somehow, I don't believe that most of neeb's preparation would be for the rogue match. He knows full well that his way to the ro8 is through trap and elazer
Bet neeb has planned a bunch of cheeses, just get it out against rogue and hope for the best
On October 27 2019 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When Rogue says "Balance is also good this time", does he mean that balance is good for him, or that the game is balanced?
Probably in general. Wasn't he the one who started this balance shitstorm in the first place?
I think Blizzard probably doesn't let them talk shit about balance, "the meta is good for me" is the most that Rogue could say
Please correct me if I'm wrong as I didn't watch it live, but didn't he say balance was why he won GSL and that Zerg was broken?
On October 27 2019 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When Rogue says "Balance is also good this time", does he mean that balance is good for him, or that the game is balanced?
Probably in general. Wasn't he the one who started this balance shitstorm in the first place?
I think Blizzard probably doesn't let them talk shit about balance, "the meta is good for me" is the most that Rogue could say
Please correct me if I'm wrong as I didn't watch it live, but didn't he say balance was why he won GSL and that Zerg was broken?
Yeah but he didn't say that at Blizzard's tournament
On October 27 2019 13:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When Rogue says "Balance is also good this time", does he mean that balance is good for him, or that the game is balanced?
Probably in general. Wasn't he the one who started this balance shitstorm in the first place?
I think Blizzard probably doesn't let them talk shit about balance, "the meta is good for me" is the most that Rogue could say
Please correct me if I'm wrong as I didn't watch it live, but didn't he say balance was why he won GSL and that Zerg was broken?
Yeah, he basically said that in an interview with Daily Esports a month ago. Just now he was a bit less explicit.
On October 27 2019 14:03 jojamon wrote: when is Tastosis going to cast games? From what I've watched they've been paired up with either Rottie, Pig, or Nathanias
They are gonna cast the final. They also casted group B winner match unless I'm crazy
On October 27 2019 14:03 jojamon wrote: when is Tastosis going to cast games? From what I've watched they've been paired up with either Rottie, Pig, or Nathanias
I think it's good to broaden the pool of talents by having them cast alongside the best in the industry. Good on blizzard. Let's have Tastosis for the grand finals though :D SO HYPE
On October 27 2019 14:00 sudete wrote: Somehow, I don't believe that most of neeb's preparation would be for the rogue match. He knows full well that his way to the ro8 is through trap and elazer
Bet neeb has planned a bunch of cheeses, just get it out against rogue and hope for the best
He is ahead in matches against rogue.. and has the recent advantage. So i wouldn't be so sure.
In saying that, Rogues form is excellent and Zerg's form is -redacted-
On October 27 2019 14:03 jojamon wrote: when is Tastosis going to cast games? From what I've watched they've been paired up with either Rottie, Pig, or Nathanias
I think it's good to broaden the pool of talents by having them cast alongside the best in the industry. Good on blizzard. Let's have Tastosis for the grand finals though :D SO HYPE
I would have love for them to have some different guys in Korea and Anaheim. Like give Maynard-Pig-Nate a spot in Korea and Tod-ZG-Demu a spot in Anaheim, would have been nice to see a bit of everyone
I think had Neeb not lost the templar archives the second time, he probably would have had a better chance. You could tell he was on tilt after losing it for the second time.
On October 27 2019 14:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That was gross. Can we get another Mizenhauer article calling Rogue a patchzerg?
:D
lol post-swarm host change was the worst era of PvZ of all time in HotS. People complained about SH but they literally were saving us from what HotS was destined to be, mass blink stalkers and mech.
On October 27 2019 14:20 NotSoHappy wrote: since the introduction of SH to the game PvZ suffered immeasurable loses in it's quality and fun
On October 27 2019 14:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That was gross. Can we get another Mizenhauer article calling Rogue a patchzerg?
:D
lol post-swarm host change was the worst era of PvZ of all time in HotS. People complained about SH but they literally were saving us from what HotS was destined to be, mass blink stalkers and mech.
Mass blink stalkers don't take 3 hours to finish games.
On October 27 2019 14:20 NotSoHappy wrote: since the introduction of SH to the game PvZ suffered immeasurable loses in it's quality and fun
On October 27 2019 14:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That was gross. Can we get another Mizenhauer article calling Rogue a patchzerg?
:D
lol post-swarm host change was the worst era of PvZ of all time in HotS. People complained about SH but they literally were saving us from what HotS was destined to be, mass blink stalkers and mech.
Mass blink stalkers don't take 3 hours to finish games.
On October 27 2019 14:20 NotSoHappy wrote: since the introduction of SH to the game PvZ suffered immeasurable loses in it's quality and fun
On October 27 2019 14:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That was gross. Can we get another Mizenhauer article calling Rogue a patchzerg?
:D
lol post-swarm host change was the worst era of PvZ of all time in HotS. People complained about SH but they literally were saving us from what HotS was destined to be, mass blink stalkers and mech.
Baguette style best meta ever, the glorious time when pvp was the macro matchup
On October 27 2019 14:17 jojamon wrote: this is not even fun to watch...can't imagine how frustrating these games are for Neeb and any other Protoss trying to defend this stuff.
you are so right. Protoss and Terran players worked hard all year and turn ed out to be fooled by the balance patch
On October 27 2019 14:37 AzAlexZ wrote: I have no words, how much better was Neeb supposed to play to win vs this ridiculous strategy
He needs to play better. The only reason Protoss or Terran lose against Zerg is because they don't play well enough. If playing Zerg simply makes you win, then it would be an all Zerg Blizzcon
This is kinda yikes zerg is stronger mid game if it's a good nydus map and way stronger late game I feel so bad for protoss lmao, at least rogue is a good enough player every patch regardless of balance.
That game was pretty sick just wish neeb would have eaten the minerals outside his third so he could contest the nydus instead of walking around
On October 27 2019 14:23 FataLe wrote: Neeb asking blizz employee hey i think something's broken here and it's not my setup
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I get triggered during these series and I'm not even playing. Honestly Nydus is one of the reasons I haven't been actively playing this past seasons meta. That might be me being a baby, but it just isn't 'fun' to play against vs good kr players. makes me wanna break my $150 mouse xD that's too dangerous man hahaha
As I've said in the balance patch threads, hopefully these matches encourage blizzard to take some more dramatic changes to the balance. I'm definitely with NoRegret that shaking things up /more/ could lead to more interesting worlds of sc2 gameplay.
Either way, i think it does need to be stated that in most of the series it has been done the Z players do look better mechanically - the dumb strategy aside. It's hard to tell, often times though. So credit to them, they're obviously playing really well in addition to their strategies.
On October 27 2019 14:38 Conut wrote: This is kinda yikes zerg is stronger mid game if it's a good nydus map and way stronger late game I feel so bad for protoss lmao, at least rogue is a good enough player every patch regardless of balance.
That game was pretty sick just wish neeb would have eaten the minerals outside his third so he could contest the nydus instead of walking around
It sound good until you realize roaches go there and SH goes under the nat
On October 27 2019 14:38 Waxangel wrote: Wow AfreecaTV exercising even harsher censorship than TL.net
I think they were afraid because they didn't know what the signs said. They might be about HK for example.
That made me think... how can the community fix nydus worms? Start calling them Hong Kong freedom worms and they'll be removed instantly from the game :p
On October 27 2019 14:38 Waxangel wrote: Wow AfreecaTV exercising even harsher censorship than TL.net
I think they were afraid because they didn't know what the signs said. They might be about HK for example.
That made me think... how can the community fix nydus worms? Start calling them Hong Kong freedom worms and they'll be removed instantly from the game :p
NEEB Hell yer! Sending thsoe Oracles to go on a harrasment spree earlier on in the game was great. Loved how he managed to hold on even after his glaives were scouted.
i am dying here. having to cast and mention we are seeing hatchery first, extractor pool against 1 gate fast expansion into stargate. fml D: probably another 2 pvz... yiiiiiiiiikes
On October 27 2019 14:51 TaKeTV wrote: i am dying here. having to cast and mention we are seeing hatchery first, extractor pool against 1 gate fast expansion into stargate. fml D: probably another 2 pvz... yiiiiiiiiikes
On October 27 2019 14:51 TaKeTV wrote: i am dying here. having to cast and mention we are seeing hatchery first, extractor pool against 1 gate fast expansion into stargate. fml D: probably another 2 pvz... yiiiiiiiiikes
On October 27 2019 14:51 TaKeTV wrote: i am dying here. having to cast and mention we are seeing hatchery first, extractor pool against 1 gate fast expansion into stargate. fml D: probably another 2 pvz... yiiiiiiiiikes
On October 27 2019 15:03 Nakajin wrote: After the 2017 double stargate play, we see the 2016 mass adepts into 2 robo immoral. Next map I expect Neeb to switch back to terran
On October 27 2019 15:03 Nakajin wrote: After the 2017 double stargate play, we see the 2016 mass adepts into 2 robo immoral. Next map I expect Neeb to switch back to terran
On October 27 2019 14:51 TaKeTV wrote: i am dying here. having to cast and mention we are seeing hatchery first, extractor pool against 1 gate fast expansion into stargate. fml D: probably another 2 pvz... yiiiiiiiiikes
On October 27 2019 15:03 Nakajin wrote: After the 2017 double stargate play, we see the 2016 mass adepts into 2 robo immoral. Next map I expect Neeb to switch back to terran
Makes sense because Terran is in such a good place right now.
On October 27 2019 15:03 Nakajin wrote: After the 2017 double stargate play, we see the 2016 mass adepts into 2 robo immoral. Next map I expect Neeb to switch back to terran
Makes sense because Terran is in such a good place right now.
if mid-series switching was allowed, I'd just do Terran in order to bunker rush once ;o
Yup. From the "HDPM era (Hellbat Drops Per Minute)".
That was when I tried to get back into sc2 earlier. I saw hellbat drops every game and said "Nah that's boring" and stuck to Minecraft and WoW. I didn't get back into sc2 until a bit before Katowice 2019 where SoO won.
On October 27 2019 12:58 Seeker wrote: I got to say... I think Trap is nervous or something. He's making so many careless mistakes... Not finishing off the greater spire, not moving in before brood lord timing, not realizing that his disruptors were ready to hit infestors... He's clearly not playing his best right now.
I would say Elazer is simply a much better player than Trap. Elazer is on Rogue level
Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
On October 27 2019 15:31 dalecooper wrote: Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
Is this bait. Every night of groups the first two series have been great and very hype. It's just when the Korean zergs start to lose they realize they need to resort to nydus to advance. :/
In all the doom and gloom of today's meta conversation, can we take a second to appreciate how many build/play style are being thrown around these day?
The build order range have really grown in the last few years
On October 27 2019 15:31 dalecooper wrote: Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
Is this bait. Every night of groups the first two series have been great and very hype. It's just when the Korean zergs start to lose they realize they need to resort to nydus to advance. :/
I think he just meant that the players in those years provided the most exciting, entertaining SC2 we've seen. While I think the current years players are by far the most mechanically, and strategically advanced I might agree with him.
There really hasn't been a player quite like Life to fill his void since he did those unforgivable things to the scene. Though, serral does take advantage of many of the things Life did.
Though I guess it should be said, it's a lot better than the old PvP disruptor fights we used to have a few years ago... where one observing miss, or player mistake led to -60 army and everyone was like O.O... hahaha
I wonder if that GG timing has anything to do with them being on the same team as well. Presumably Trap has been in that position enough times to know it's not worth playing it out? I mean, it wasn't a good position but it felt a bit premature still.
On October 27 2019 16:11 sertman wrote: Blizzard really dropped the ball with design man. Like who really likes watching Swarm Hosts? Anyone?!
I actually quite liked the SH-nydus play when it first appeared last year, but obviously it was before zerg figured out how absolutely op it was.
On October 27 2019 16:11 Pursuit_ wrote: I wonder if that GG timing has anything to do with them being on the same team as well. Presumably Trap has been in that position enough times to know it's not worth playing it out? I mean, it wasn't a good position but it felt a bit premature still.
It's pretty sad to see, if you don't think it's winnable just F2 a-move across the map, there's nothing to lose.
On October 27 2019 15:31 dalecooper wrote: Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
Is this bait. Every night of groups the first two series have been great and very hype. It's just when the Korean zergs start to lose they realize they need to resort to nydus to advance. :/
I think he just meant that the players in those years provided the most exciting, entertaining SC2 we've seen. While I think the current years players are by far the most mechanically, and strategically advanced I might agree with him.
There really hasn't been a player quite like Life to fill his void since he did those unforgivable things to the scene. Though, serral does take advantage of many of the things Life did.
Though I guess it should be said, it's a lot better than the old PvP disruptor fights we used to have a few years ago... where one observing miss, or player mistake led to -60 army and everyone was like O.O... hahaha
Hey I thought people at least kind of enjoyed watching disruptor tennis though, 1v1 rocket launcher wars
On October 27 2019 15:31 dalecooper wrote: Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
Is this bait. Every night of groups the first two series have been great and very hype. It's just when the Korean zergs start to lose they realize they need to resort to nydus to advance. :/
I think he just meant that the players in those years provided the most exciting, entertaining SC2 we've seen. While I think the current years players are by far the most mechanically, and strategically advanced I might agree with him.
There really hasn't been a player quite like Life to fill his void since he did those unforgivable things to the scene. Though, serral does take advantage of many of the things Life did.
Though I guess it should be said, it's a lot better than the old PvP disruptor fights we used to have a few years ago... where one observing miss, or player mistake led to -60 army and everyone was like O.O... hahaha
The disruptor meta was some of the most intense starcraft ever as a viewer. It was an intense knife fight. Sure, it could end with one guy doing a single stab and ending it, but when both sides were even and on top of their game, every single attack was an exciting moment. Often the shots dealt only a small amount of direct damage and it was a death of many cuts.
On October 27 2019 15:31 dalecooper wrote: Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
Is this bait. Every night of groups the first two series have been great and very hype. It's just when the Korean zergs start to lose they realize they need to resort to nydus to advance. :/
I think he just meant that the players in those years provided the most exciting, entertaining SC2 we've seen. While I think the current years players are by far the most mechanically, and strategically advanced I might agree with him.
There really hasn't been a player quite like Life to fill his void since he did those unforgivable things to the scene. Though, serral does take advantage of many of the things Life did.
Though I guess it should be said, it's a lot better than the old PvP disruptor fights we used to have a few years ago... where one observing miss, or player mistake led to -60 army and everyone was like O.O... hahaha
The disruptor meta was some of the most intense starcraft ever as a viewer. It was an intense knife fight. Sure, it could end with one guy doing a single stab and ending it, but when both sides were even and on top of their game, every single attack was an exciting moment. Often the shots dealt only a small amount of direct damage and it was a death of many cuts.
for the sake of this discussion, it was also a mirror-match strategy so no one could get angry about balance
On October 27 2019 15:31 dalecooper wrote: Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
Is this bait. Every night of groups the first two series have been great and very hype. It's just when the Korean zergs start to lose they realize they need to resort to nydus to advance. :/
I think he just meant that the players in those years provided the most exciting, entertaining SC2 we've seen. While I think the current years players are by far the most mechanically, and strategically advanced I might agree with him.
There really hasn't been a player quite like Life to fill his void since he did those unforgivable things to the scene. Though, serral does take advantage of many of the things Life did.
Though I guess it should be said, it's a lot better than the old PvP disruptor fights we used to have a few years ago... where one observing miss, or player mistake led to -60 army and everyone was like O.O... hahaha
Hey I thought people at least kind of enjoyed watching disruptor tennis though, 1v1 rocket launcher wars
Honestly, I thought it was fantastic to watch. Kind of the same fun as watching ling bane roll into bio. Both sides could get absolutely destroyed if they made a big mistake, but usually it was across the map trades
On October 27 2019 15:31 dalecooper wrote: Most disappointed event I've ever seen. I still remember the hype of watching Blizzcon 2015 and 2016. Aah... but this is just a fail. No hype. Predictable. Tilting. Disappointing. Low budget with over9000 casters.
Is this bait. Every night of groups the first two series have been great and very hype. It's just when the Korean zergs start to lose they realize they need to resort to nydus to advance. :/
I think he just meant that the players in those years provided the most exciting, entertaining SC2 we've seen. While I think the current years players are by far the most mechanically, and strategically advanced I might agree with him.
There really hasn't been a player quite like Life to fill his void since he did those unforgivable things to the scene. Though, serral does take advantage of many of the things Life did.
Though I guess it should be said, it's a lot better than the old PvP disruptor fights we used to have a few years ago... where one observing miss, or player mistake led to -60 army and everyone was like O.O... hahaha
The disruptor meta was some of the most intense starcraft ever as a viewer. It was an intense knife fight. Sure, it could end with one guy doing a single stab and ending it, but when both sides were even and on top of their game, every single attack was an exciting moment. Often the shots dealt only a small amount of direct damage and it was a death of many cuts.
for the sake of this discussion, it was also a mirror-match strategy so no one could get angry about balance
If it stayed im sure that protoss would be getting Heart Problems Like terrans wrist Problems
I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
Because a second warp prism means one fewer immortal.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
I've been saying that for a while.
200 extra minerals for peace of mind. I really don't get it.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
Because a second warp prism means one fewer immortal.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
I've been saying that for a while.
200 extra minerals for peace of mind. I really don't get it.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
I've been saying that for a while.
200 extra minerals for peace of mind. I really don't get it.
Isn't it 250?
Oh forgot about that nerf. yea 250. Still well worth it, for the price of 2 Zealots your rush can't be shut down as easily.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
I've been saying that for a while.
200 extra minerals for peace of mind. I really don't get it.
Isn't it 250?
Oh forgot about that nerf. yea 250. Still well worth it, for the price of 2 Zealots your rush can't be shut down as easily.
The timing is extremely sharp and every unit counts. Sure losing the prism often means an instant loss, but having to spend that many resources on a second prism weakens the push enough that it's better to gamble on your ability to keep the prism alive.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
I've been saying that for a while.
200 extra minerals for peace of mind. I really don't get it.
Isn't it 250?
Oh forgot about that nerf. yea 250. Still well worth it, for the price of 2 Zealots your rush can't be shut down as easily.
The timing is extremely sharp and every unit counts. Sure losing the prism often means an instant loss, but having to spend that many resources on a second prism weakens the push enough that it's better to gamble on your ability to keep the prism alive.
Except lots of times you see Protoss get the second warp prism and it always seems worth it to me. It's not like nobody ever gets the second warp prism, it's not super rare, it's just not standard. I understand not getting it with less committed pushes, but this build doesn't even fake the third, it's very clearly all-in.
On October 27 2019 16:23 Pursuit_ wrote: I honestly kind of wonder why more Protoss do not make a second warp prism with these kinds of pushes. It means the push isn't over if your first one dies and even if you don't lose the first one you can use it to warp in in other locations and pull zerg's attention apart.
I've been saying that for a while.
200 extra minerals for peace of mind. I really don't get it.
Isn't it 250?
Oh forgot about that nerf. yea 250. Still well worth it, for the price of 2 Zealots your rush can't be shut down as easily.
The timing is extremely sharp and every unit counts. Sure losing the prism often means an instant loss, but having to spend that many resources on a second prism weakens the push enough that it's better to gamble on your ability to keep the prism alive.
Except lots of times you see Protoss get the second warp prism and it always seems worth it to me. It's not like nobody ever gets the second warp prism, it's not super rare, it's just not standard. I understand not getting it with less committed pushes, but this build doesn't even fake the third, it's very clearly all-in.
You don't see people get a second prism for a push like this. For later pushes (off three bases or 2 and a half bases), sure, since you can afford it.
looks like zerg is also very powerful on all-in strategies, They do not do this that often just because they have too many other options which are more powerful
I disagree with Artosis, I think Elazer was ahead that whole game. I never thought neeb was ahead, because there was no way he'd be able to defend that 5th.
On October 27 2019 17:06 Monochromatic wrote: I disagree with Artosis, I think Elazer was ahead that whole game. I never thought neeb was ahead, because there was no way he'd be able to defend that 5th.
Elazer was indeed ahead the whole game, Neeb was just mass expanding and losing all of them all the time while Elazer teched up and traded fairly well.
So far this group has gone exactly like I expected it to. Wish I would've remembered to actually cast a liquibet. Not that it matters, GSL vs the World ruined any chance I had of actually placing anywhere respectable this round.
On October 27 2019 17:06 Monochromatic wrote: I disagree with Artosis, I think Elazer was ahead that whole game. I never thought neeb was ahead, because there was no way he'd be able to defend that 5th.
Elazer was indeed ahead the whole game, Neeb was just mass expanding and losing all of them all the time while Elazer teched up and traded fairly well.
Neeb looked ahead as a 4 base protoss vs a 5 base zerg; but the lategame zerg efficiency due to the infestors' ability to hardcounter the capital ships.
On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need?
He's definitely the caster I like the least among the regulars.
may i ask why? i can imagine some people may find his accent a bit annoying, personally i love it. but i came from war3 so i'm biased as fuck when it comes to Rotti and Tod
On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need?
He's definitely the caster I like the least among the regulars.
may i ask why? i can imagine some people may find his accent a bit annoying, personally i love it. but i came from war3 so i'm biased as fuck when it comes to Rotti and Tod
Same reason I guess, I did not like him in war3 already.
On October 27 2019 17:34 Shikyo wrote: Absolutely disgusting. Elazer playing so poorly, so sad watching him actually being able to win with that mistake fest.
Neeb played a terribly series for his standard, well deserved loss to be honest.
On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need?
Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category.
I love those two in the casual stages. Artosis is great with everyone, but Tasteless just annoys me with how he "hypes" things. Too many times where a player does something on the level an unmicroed drop in the back and an attack at the front and Tasteless just screams "HE HAS SUCH GOOD MULTITASKING! LITERALLY THE BEST IN THE WORLD"
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
Balance aside, I think it would be hilarious for elazer rogue to advance just for the comedic effect of the result. I can't imagine twitch chat after that hahaha. That said, I think he has his work cut out for him if he wants to beat trap.... trap is secretly the best P player imo atm.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS
That's a bit subjective. ZvZ is a lot better than it used to be, but it still sucks. Only match up worse to watch is PvP IMO.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS
That's a bit subjective. ZvZ is a lot better than it used to be, but it still sucks. Only match up worse to watch is PvP IMO.
I like ZvZ a lot, although too much of it also sucks. It's a real skill match up where players often play the similar strategies and the better players with superior mechanics win.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS
roach/ravager ain't something to cheer for. And after the first semi you're kinda ready for something different, only to realize this is all you gonna see. Only to be spiced up by some good ol' fashioned cheese
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS
That's a bit subjective. ZvZ is a lot better than it used to be, but it still sucks. Only match up worse to watch is PvP IMO.
ZvZ is a great matchup, definitely the best mirror(many still say TvT to say the truth) and it is miles ahead ZvP right now.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS
That's a bit subjective. ZvZ is a lot better than it used to be, but it still sucks. Only match up worse to watch is PvP IMO.
ZvZ is a great matchup, definitely the best mirror(many still say TvT to say the truth) and it is miles ahead ZvP right now.
It's such a shame that PvZ has fallen so far (I blame the maps personally) last year it was improving so much it was almost as good as TvZ was.
It does suck a lot these days though, although PvP and ZvZ are still worse IMO.
On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need?
Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category.
is this a troll attempt? They are most certainly not. Artosis understanding of current meta is always at least a few months old, at best. Tasteless commentary usually consists of at least half the time repeating and agreeing what Artosis says and filling the rest with extremely vague knowledge which could be applied basically to any expansion and you wouldn't know the difference
On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need?
Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category.
I love those two in the casual stages. Artosis is great with everyone, but Tasteless just annoys me with how he "hypes" things. Too many times where a player does something on the level an unmicroed drop in the back and an attack at the front and Tasteless just screams "HE HAS SUCH GOOD MULTITASKING! LITERALLY THE BEST IN THE WORLD"
Still like him more than when Nate goes into his machine gun mode(10000 words per minute) or similar thing happens to Maynarde(sorry if i butchered your name).
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
On October 27 2019 17:45 F1rstAssau1t wrote: TvT is the best mirror by far.
/Thread.
I'm a major TvT fanboy, but man I cannot wait long enough for that Interference Matrix nerf to go through. That spell has had a MAJOR negative impact on the match up.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need?
Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category.
I love those two in the casual stages. Artosis is great with everyone, but Tasteless just annoys me with how he "hypes" things. Too many times where a player does something on the level an unmicroed drop in the back and an attack at the front and Tasteless just screams "HE HAS SUCH GOOD MULTITASKING! LITERALLY THE BEST IN THE WORLD"
Still like him more than when Nate goes into his machine gun mode(10000 words per minute) or similar thing happens to Maynarde(sorry if i butchered your name).
Nate in machine gun mode is just funny to me. I don't really take it that seriously. Tasteless doesn't feel like that. He just tries to make everything "The greatest thing!" and "The best Starcraft we've EVER SEEN"
On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need?
Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category.
is this a troll attempt? They are most certainly not. Artosis understanding of current meta is always at least a few months old, at best. Tasteless commentary usually consists of at least half the time repeating and agreeing what Artosis says and filling the rest with extremely vague knowledge which could be applied basically to any expansion and you wouldn't know the difference
i guess it depends on what you're looking for in a commentator. if you're so deeply into the game you can tell if a caster is up on the current meta or a bit behind, you probably don't really have much to gain from analytical commentary, do you? i never really got that view that that's what a person who already knows a shitload about the game would want to hear. i loved super analytical commentary when i was getting into sc2, cause it helped me understand the game and apply some of the knowledge to my own games. as i got better, i started realising the analytical commentators are basically just saying things i was already thinking. so then i'd rather have an entertaining backdrop to a game i can analyse myself. now i haven't played sc2 in several years and got back into watching a few months ago and i kinda want a mix, i wanna find out what's going on but i also wanna be entertained. Tastosis are basically perfect for that.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral isn't good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
its unfortunate that his achievements has been marred by the meta favoring zerg. Would be interesting to see how he performs when the meta changes.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral is good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
i do kinda get your point. but to be fair, Serral also consistently beats the top Korean Zergs in ZvZ, so wouldn't you say "better than the Koreans" is something that can still be argued for?
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
Serral is the only Zerg that has been dominating no matter the state of balace. Him winning this blizzcon would just cement this fact. He did not even play a ZvZ in this tournament yet and you are already saying he won only because of his ZvZ. Also, how the fuck is not meeting a Terran because they all dropped out before he could meet them an asterik ?
If Serral wins this blizzcon he is the goat for everyone bar a few bitter individuals on TL basing their identity of the superiority of a country they probably never even been to for longer than a week (if at all).
But I am sure you would find asteriks to Serrals success even if he wins the next 8 blizzcons in a row; So stay delusionall life is easier this way anyway !
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral is good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
i do kinda get your point. but to be fair, Serral also consistently beats the top Korean Zergs in ZvZ, so wouldn't you say "better than the Koreans" is something that can still be argued for?
Of course you can say it, but wouldn't it be better if his case was so rock solid that it's undeniable?
Yet it isn't. And as a Serral fan, that bothers me.
I want him to win a Code S, I want him to win a Blizzcon when the meta isn't favoring him. I want there to be no asterisks or question marks next to his achievements. But yet, those exist right now. Only extreme bias could let you ignore those.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral is good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
i do kinda get your point. but to be fair, Serral also consistently beats the top Korean Zergs in ZvZ, so wouldn't you say "better than the Koreans" is something that can still be argued for?
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral is good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
i do kinda get your point. but to be fair, Serral also consistently beats the top Korean Zergs in ZvZ, so wouldn't you say "better than the Koreans" is something that can still be argued for?
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral is good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
i do kinda get your point. but to be fair, Serral also consistently beats the top Korean Zergs in ZvZ, so wouldn't you say "better than the Koreans" is something that can still be argued for?
Of course you can say it, but wouldn't it be better if his case was so rock solid that it's undeniable?
Yet it isn't. And as a Serral fan, that bothers me.
I want him to win a Code S, I want him to win a Blizzcon when the meta isn't favoring him. I want there to be no asterisks or question marks next to his achievements. But yet, those exist right now. Only extreme bias could let you ignore those.
fair enough. i'm rather indifferent towards Serral, obviously he's a great player and i enjoy watching him play but i don't have much of an emotional connection so i don't really care that much either way. Mvp will always be the Banjo of my heart in sc2
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral isn't good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
Serral's success has been manufactured by the game balance? This Zerg favored patch(in ZvP, essentially) hit after GSL vs The World, Serral only won WCS Montreal(against Reynor) after that, he already had nine Premier tournaments(four international ones plus HSC XIX) at this point. Foreign hope? He's dominating Sc2. You doubt he's better than koreans? He has been in the last 14 months.
You are another of those trying to discredit Serral's greatness, which is evident and has nothing to do with balance. How comes instead that Rogue won his only Code S just now and I didn't see you making a similar statement?
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral isn't good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
Serral's success has been manufactured by the game balance? This Zerg favored patch(in ZvP, essentially) hit after GSL vs The World, Serral only won WCS Montreal(against Reynor) after that, he already had nine Premier tournaments(four international ones plus HSC XIX) at this point. Foreign hope? He's dominating Sc2. You doubt he's better than koreans? He has been in the last 14 months.
You are another of those trying to discredit Serral's greatness, which is evident and has nothing to do with balance. How comes instead that Rogue won his only Code S just now and I didn't see you making a similar statement?
Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean I wasn't saying it.
Those Serral's 3-0s in Group B gave him yet another boost in Aligulac ratings.
If the trend continues to the next list, he will surpass Innovation on the HOF list, having spent only some 39%+ of Inno's time there in the contention.
No matter where you play, what race you play, whom against you play, what patches you play, nobody can achieve such level of dominance accidentally.
Actually, Serral's continuous big improvements in and at the top of Aligulac ratings have felt someway broken for long time already, but math seems to be correct. Its just as ridiculous as it looks - I mean - his dominance.
But oooops, this is OT for this thread. They only compete there who has privilege to get play against Serral.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral isn't good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
Serral's success has been manufactured by the game balance? This Zerg favored patch(in ZvP, essentially) hit after GSL vs The World, Serral only won WCS Montreal(against Reynor) after that, he already had nine Premier tournaments(four international ones plus HSC XIX) at this point. Foreign hope? He's dominating Sc2. You doubt he's better than koreans? He has been in the last 14 months.
You are another of those trying to discredit Serral's greatness, which is evident and has nothing to do with balance. How comes instead that Rogue won his only Code S just now and I didn't see you making a similar statement?
Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean I wasn't saying it.
Rogue himself was saying it, and that's his biggest success ever in GSL tournaments.
As for Serral, it takes extreme bias to think he already has things to demonstrate. He steamrolled everyone at BlizzCon when meta was fair, won HSC XIX being the only Zerg left in a sea of Terran, he was the only Zerg for months to reach a Premier final... if anything, he has to show that he can dominate when the meta favors Zerg.
On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis
I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral isn't good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
Serral's success has been manufactured by the game balance? This Zerg favored patch(in ZvP, essentially) hit after GSL vs The World, Serral only won WCS Montreal(against Reynor) after that, he already had nine Premier tournaments(four international ones plus HSC XIX) at this point. Foreign hope? He's dominating Sc2. You doubt he's better than koreans? He has been in the last 14 months.
You are another of those trying to discredit Serral's greatness, which is evident and has nothing to do with balance. How comes instead that Rogue won his only Code S just now and I didn't see you making a similar statement?
Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean I wasn't saying it.
Rogue himself was saying it, and that's his biggest success ever in GSL tournaments.
As for Serral, it takes extreme bias to think he already has things to demonstrate. He steamrolled everyone at BlizzCon when meta was fair, won HSC XIX being the only Zerg left in a sea of Terran, he was the only Zerg for months to reach a Premier final... if anything, he has to show that he can dominate when the meta favors Zerg.
Oh yes, I wonder how many times Serral needs to destroy Stats for him to get the respect he deserves. /s
On October 27 2019 18:23 Tamagoshi wrote: What you guys think is the best composition against zerg in this position? Is Trap just missing disruptors, or maybe some carriers help?
On October 27 2019 18:23 Tamagoshi wrote: What you guys think is the best composition against zerg in this position? Is Trap just missing disruptors, or maybe some carriers help?
On October 27 2019 18:26 Charoisaur wrote: And people doubted Elazer. He just outplayed Trap in the lategame pretty hard. He can absolutely take the series. Great Infestor control
On October 27 2019 18:23 Tamagoshi wrote: What you guys think is the best composition against zerg in this position? Is Trap just missing disruptors, or maybe some carriers help?
On October 27 2019 18:26 Charoisaur wrote: And people doubted Elazer. He just outplayed Trap in the lategame pretty hard. He can absolutely take the series. Great Infestor control
Rogue, Dark and their nyduses are the epitome of Zerg's prowess instead.
Whining is senseless, but if you want to do it why don't you do it when your beloved gods play?
On October 27 2019 18:26 Charoisaur wrote: And people doubted Elazer. He just outplayed Trap in the lategame pretty hard. He can absolutely take the series. Great Infestor control
Rogue, Dark and their nyduses are the epitome of Zerg's prowess instead.
Whining is senseless, but if you want to do it why don't you do it when your beloved gods play?
On October 27 2019 18:26 Charoisaur wrote: And people doubted Elazer. He just outplayed Trap in the lategame pretty hard. He can absolutely take the series. Great Infestor control
Rogue, Dark and their nyduses are the epitome of Zerg's prowess instead.
Whining is senseless, but if you want to do it why don't you do it when your beloved gods play?
because he is beyond the point of no return and he knows it. we need a filter on tl to mute in advance clear pointless message posters
On October 27 2019 18:23 deacon.frost wrote: It's really hard to not whine when looking at this and that pinnacle fight...
I can hardly comply because I don´t even play this game, but it is painfull to watch this. I wonder how Blizzard is going to keep everyone from the playerbase happy and at the same time keep the game interesting as a show. On the other hand I actually like the "free units" mechanic (It does fit with the zerg design) but man does it look poorly balanced.
Trap played very well, but the real question is: If it takes such effort just to beat Elazer, how on earth can any Protoss beat the likes of Serral, Rogue or Dark when they get to that stage of the game?
Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
On October 27 2019 18:46 parksonsc wrote: Trap played very well, but the real question is: If it takes such effort just to beat Elazer, how on earth can any Protoss beat the likes of Serral, Rogue or Dark when they get to that stage of the game?
Honest answer: in this patch, they don't. At least for what we understand now! Protoss should probably aim to end the game with a midgame push.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
He doesnt usually need it. Trap -level is like , not attained by many.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
tbf BL/Infestor is incredibly hard to control because of how slow it it. That's why I was so impressed with Elazer's play in game 2.
On October 27 2019 18:46 parksonsc wrote: Trap played very well, but the real question is: If it takes such effort just to beat Elazer, how on earth can any Protoss beat the likes of Serral, Rogue or Dark when they get to that stage of the game?
Honest answer: in this patch, they don't. At least for what we understand now! Protoss should probably aim to end the game with a midgame push.
Any top Protoss should be able to beat any top Zerg in late game. We just saw Trap beat Elazer. Elazer threw that game, probably from jetlag or something
On October 27 2019 18:46 parksonsc wrote: Trap played very well, but the real question is: If it takes such effort just to beat Elazer, how on earth can any Protoss beat the likes of Serral, Rogue or Dark when they get to that stage of the game?
Honest answer: in this patch, they don't. At least for what we understand now! Protoss should probably aim to end the game with a midgame push.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
tbf BL/Infestor is incredibly hard to control because of how slow it it. That's why I was so impressed with Elazer's play in game 2.
Not sure if you are joking, but it's actually true for low economy games. In G3 Trap did manage to keep Elazers army pretty small and as such was able to abuse the lack of mobility of Elazers army.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
tbf BL/Infestor is incredibly hard to control because of how slow it it. That's why I was so impressed with Elazer's play in game 2.
Not sure if you are joking, but it's actually true for low economy games. In G3 Trap did manage to keep Elazers army pretty small and as such was able to abuse the lack of mobility of Elazers army.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
tbf BL/Infestor is incredibly hard to control because of how slow it it. That's why I was so impressed with Elazer's play in game 2.
Not sure if you are joking, but it's actually true for low economy games. In G3 Trap did manage to keep Elazers army pretty small and as such was able to abuse the lack of mobility of Elazers army.
he is "joking"
? Broodlord Infestor is slow and you need at least 3 control groups sometimes 4 (Broodlords, Infestors, Corruptors, ground army) It's strong but definitely not easy to control.
Trap made so many good moves in that game. Just feels like he overextended on both attacks, if he had pull back a bit earlier I don't see how Elazer could have held on.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
tbf BL/Infestor is incredibly hard to control because of how slow it it. That's why I was so impressed with Elazer's play in game 2.
Not sure if you are joking, but it's actually true for low economy games. In G3 Trap did manage to keep Elazers army pretty small and as such was able to abuse the lack of mobility of Elazers army.
he is "joking"
? Broodlord Infestor is slow and you need at least 3 control groups sometimes 4 (Broodlords, Infestors, Corruptors, ground army) It's strong but definitely not easy to control.
yes, and if it wasnt for you previous 1000 trolling comments, fake-complimenting foreign zergs, I would believe you mean it
didn't someone say Elazer was a one-trick pony? i feel like we've been watching him doing a bunch of different shit in these games. tbh i think there's something to the "rematch curse" in the sense that if you've won the initial match, you are now coming off a loss in the winners match, whereas if you lost the initial match, you're coming off a win in the losers match. so momentum is kind of on the side of the loser of the initial match, ironically.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
tbf BL/Infestor is incredibly hard to control because of how slow it it. That's why I was so impressed with Elazer's play in game 2.
Not sure if you are joking, but it's actually true for low economy games. In G3 Trap did manage to keep Elazers army pretty small and as such was able to abuse the lack of mobility of Elazers army.
he is "joking"
? Broodlord Infestor is slow and you need at least 3 control groups sometimes 4 (Broodlords, Infestors, Corruptors, ground army) It's strong but definitely not easy to control.
yes, and if it wasnt for you previous 1000 trolling comments, fake-complimenting foreign zergs, I would believe you mean it
you need to work on your mentality - not every statement you disagree with is "trolling"
Bo5 format all the way, and in the end you have Serral and Reynor as the only foreigners surviving. That seems about right to me, no matter what race is the strongest at the moment.
On October 27 2019 19:13 Geo.Rion wrote: Well it looks like top6 Korea + top2 WCS. I was rooting for at least 1 more foreigner, but oh well, still amazing groupstage games
I was not expecting soO to make it to be honest. In any of case, the only non koreans who have a shot at winning it all will fly to Anaheim, it's fine.
On October 27 2019 19:15 Malinor wrote: Bo5 format all the way, and in the end you have Serral and Reynor as the only foreigners surviving. That seems about right to me, no matter what race is the strongest at the moment.
But you had several series go down to game 5 as well as some first round upsets from the foreign Terrans. Not bad at all I'd say.
On October 27 2019 18:46 LoneYoShi wrote: Incredibly poor map control/awareness from Elazer. No creep, no spotter zerglings, nothing. Kept getting caught out of position because of that... Really disappointing from a Blizzcon-caliber player imho.
tbf BL/Infestor is incredibly hard to control because of how slow it it. That's why I was so impressed with Elazer's play in game 2.
Not sure if you are joking, but it's actually true for low economy games. In G3 Trap did manage to keep Elazers army pretty small and as such was able to abuse the lack of mobility of Elazers army.
he is "joking"
? Broodlord Infestor is slow and you need at least 3 control groups sometimes 4 (Broodlords, Infestors, Corruptors, ground army) It's strong but definitely not easy to control.
yes, and if it wasnt for you previous 1000 trolling comments, fake-complimenting foreign zergs, I would believe you mean it
you need to work on your mentality - not every statement you disagree with is "trolling"
It is just wishful thinking on our part. We all wish you were trolling as the possibility of all your posts being your actual opinions melts our brains :/
On October 27 2019 19:15 Malinor wrote: Bo5 format all the way, and in the end you have Serral and Reynor as the only foreigners surviving. That seems about right to me, no matter what race is the strongest at the moment.
But you had several series go down to game 5 as well as some first round upsets from the foreign Terrans. Not bad at all I'd say.
On October 27 2019 19:15 Malinor wrote: Bo5 format all the way, and in the end you have Serral and Reynor as the only foreigners surviving. That seems about right to me, no matter what race is the strongest at the moment.
Not necessarily, a 5/3 split would have been better but that's because soO ended up above Rogue in GSL standings. No problem, in any of case, I'm glad that Trap will get to BlizzCon for the first time.
Yess!!! So happy Trap did it. Those crowd cheers when he blinked forward and was about to win gave me chills. Everyone loves when Zerg loses at this point
On October 27 2019 19:30 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yess!!! So happy Trap did it. Those crowd cheers when he blinked forward and was about to win gave me chills. Everyone loves when Zerg loses at this point
happy for me. at least I dont want to see zvzvzvz at midnight
Bottom bracket is Code S bracket, upper bracket might become WCS bracket. I hoped for Reynor-Trap to be on the same bracket of Dark-Maru, to be honest.
On October 27 2019 19:36 Schelim wrote: Serral 3-1 SoO Reynor 3-2 Trap Rogue 3-1 Classic Dark 3-1 Maru
Serral 3-2 Reynor Rogue 3-2 Dark
Serral 4-2 Rogue
Do you actually think Trap will take two maps? One map maybe if Reynor does something funky or throws. Trap just barely won against Elazer...
herO has basically won vs Reynor then we saw the craziest comeback/throw of the group stage, so yeah as long as u think trap s PVZ is on par with herO's (and i think so) he should take at least 2 maps
On October 27 2019 19:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Serral has it too easy. The bottom side of the bracket is crazy. The upper half is so meh. Not too happy about this draw :/
it's not a draw tho, h/User:Hjpalpha - had it figured it out before the announcement User:Hjpalpha/wip11
On October 27 2019 19:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Serral has it too easy. The bottom side of the bracket is crazy. The upper half is so meh. Not too happy about this draw :/
If we expect Raynor to advance, Serral is up against the guy who knocked him out of IEM and the guy who beat him twice in finals this year, have to disagree with easy.
On October 27 2019 19:36 Schelim wrote: Serral 3-1 SoO Reynor 3-2 Trap Rogue 3-1 Classic Dark 3-1 Maru
Serral 3-2 Reynor Rogue 3-2 Dark
Serral 4-2 Rogue
Do you actually think Trap will take two maps? One map maybe if Reynor does something funky or throws. Trap just barely won against Elazer...
herO has basically won vs Reynor then we saw the craziest comeback/throw of the group stage, so yeah as long as u think trap s PVZ is on par with herO's (and i think so) he should take at least 2 maps
Trap's PvZ didn't look better than herO's to be honest. In addiction to that, everyone has four extra days to prepare.
Really hard to see Serral not making finals. Reynor and soO can beat him but I just don't see it happening; Serral is the type of player who loses to someone and then crushes them the next time they play. Trap didn't look bad against Serral in GSL vs the World but he was beaten pretty decisively (although I think Trap should have won that base trade game but he is sometimes too passive).
Edit: I think lower side of the bracket is anyone's game really.
Edit 2: Apparently aligulac predicts Serral has 52% chance of winning Blizzcon. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
I think that's it for this year, Maru v Serral looking so unlikely. No way Maru fights through all the Zergs (including his own teammate) to get to the finals. Serral should have this one in the bag, soO is not on the same tier as him, Reynor can challenge him but has to beat Trap first, whilst Trap has 0 chance.
The only one I can see him losing to is if: Maru gets to the finals and somehow retains enough stamina to play multiple late games after presumably having to beat Rogue on the same day. Or Rogue overcoming him in a ZvZ.
On October 27 2019 19:36 Schelim wrote: Serral 3-1 SoO Reynor 3-2 Trap Rogue 3-1 Classic Dark 3-1 Maru
Serral 3-2 Reynor Rogue 3-2 Dark
Serral 4-2 Rogue
Do you actually think Trap will take two maps? One map maybe if Reynor does something funky or throws. Trap just barely won against Elazer...
herO has basically won vs Reynor then we saw the craziest comeback/throw of the group stage, so yeah as long as u think trap s PVZ is on par with herO's (and i think so) he should take at least 2 maps
On October 27 2019 19:46 ASCandLoLFan wrote: I think that's it for this year, Maru v Serral looking so unlikely. No way Maru fights through all the Zergs (including his own teammate) to get to the finals. Serral should have this one in the bag, soO is not on the same tier as him, Reynor can challenge him but has to beat Trap first, whilst Trap has 0 chance.
The only one I can see him losing to is if: Maru gets to the finals and somehow retains enough stamina to play multiple late games after presumably having to beat Rogue on the same day. Or Rogue overcoming him in a ZvZ.
i think his odds are pretty bad against Dark but good against Rogue and Classic.
On October 27 2019 19:46 ASCandLoLFan wrote: I think that's it for this year, Maru v Serral looking so unlikely. No way Maru fights through all the Zergs (including his own teammate) to get to the finals. Serral should have this one in the bag, soO is not on the same tier as him, Reynor can challenge him but has to beat Trap first, whilst Trap has 0 chance.
The only one I can see him losing to is if: Maru gets to the finals and somehow retains enough stamina to play multiple late games after presumably having to beat Rogue on the same day. Or Rogue overcoming him in a ZvZ.
i think his odds are pretty bad against Dark but good against Rogue and Classic.
You mean Maru? Maru should do pretty well vs Classic, but Classic has like no chance against Rogue so realistically we probably won't see Maru v Classic. Dark too is such a big challenge like you said. As for Rogue, it would be a very familiar challenge for Maru that he has almost always failed: beating a teammate.
On October 27 2019 19:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Serral has it too easy. The bottom side of the bracket is crazy. The upper half is so meh. Not too happy about this draw :/
If we expect Raynor to advance, Serral is up against the guy who knocked him out of IEM and the guy who beat him twice in finals this year, have to disagree with easy.
Reynor is going to be a tough match for Serral. Yes soO beat him at IEM but I think his form has been very sub-par in the recent months.
In a bo5 alone i would favor Maru against any of the remaining Zergs, though i'm not quite sure at this time. If he manages to win it all, he would have to beat the best 3 Zergs on the planet just in one day, which is crazy for a Terran player.
On October 27 2019 19:55 parksonsc wrote: In a bo5 alone i would favor Maru against any of the remaining Zergs, though i'm not quite sure at this time. If he manages to win it all, he would have to beat the best 3 Zergs on the planet just in one day, which is crazy for a Terran player.
On October 27 2019 19:46 ASCandLoLFan wrote: I think that's it for this year, Maru v Serral looking so unlikely. No way Maru fights through all the Zergs (including his own teammate) to get to the finals. Serral should have this one in the bag, soO is not on the same tier as him, Reynor can challenge him but has to beat Trap first, whilst Trap has 0 chance.
The only one I can see him losing to is if: Maru gets to the finals and somehow retains enough stamina to play multiple late games after presumably having to beat Rogue on the same day. Or Rogue overcoming him in a ZvZ.
i think his odds are pretty bad against Dark but good against Rogue and Classic.
You mean Maru? Maru should do pretty well vs Classic, but Classic has like no chance against Rogue so realistically we probably won't see Maru v Classic. Dark too is such a big challenge like you said. As for Rogue, it would be a very familiar challenge for Maru that he has almost always failed: beating a teammate.
Expect when he didnt? Maru beat both rogue and Trap in their way to winning Code S. I would say its quite 50-50 betweeen Maru and rogue or Trap
On October 27 2019 19:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Serral has it too easy. The bottom side of the bracket is crazy. The upper half is so meh. Not too happy about this draw :/
On October 27 2019 19:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Serral has it too easy. The bottom side of the bracket is crazy. The upper half is so meh. Not too happy about this draw :/
On October 27 2019 19:45 Anc13nt wrote: Really hard to see Serral not making finals. Reynor and soO can beat him but I just don't see it happening; Serral is the type of player who loses to someone and then crushes them the next time they play. Trap didn't look bad against Serral in GSL vs the World but he was beaten pretty decisively (although I think Trap should have won that base trade game but he is sometimes too passive).
Edit: I think lower side of the bracket is anyone's game really.
Edit 2: Apparently aligulac predicts Serral has 52% chance of winning Blizzcon. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Tbf in the lower side of the bracket, only Maru is appearing as a real threat to Serral... I think Reynor has better chance than Classic, Dark and Rogue, he beat 3 times and twice in a bo7.
On October 27 2019 19:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Serral has it too easy. The bottom side of the bracket is crazy. The upper half is so meh. Not too happy about this draw :/
well its easy if one knows the rules (which blizz sadly didn’t publish publicly for the global finals, but they were part of the player handbook so players were aware of them, or could have been aware of them)
On October 27 2019 19:57 UnLarva wrote: If Maru wins it all, then the road for it would be likely the most insane playoffs path of entire history of SC2.
If Serral wins it all, it will be considered just as a normal Friday, unless Maru makes it to the Finals to lose 4-0.
If Trap and Classic beat shit out of all zergs and marus and make it to the Final match, then Protoss is OP, and nerfs are required.
Someway I think that last scenario would be most desirable of them all, even if PvP is notoriously dull matchup to watch.
Yeah Classic and Trap definitely have the two best storylines going into Blizzcon, and winning would mean the most for each of them. For the sake of a quality finals, though, it may be better if it's a Maru/Trap or Classic/soO finals.
On October 27 2019 19:57 UnLarva wrote: If Maru wins it all, then the road for it would be likely the most insane playoffs path of entire history of SC2.
If Serral wins it all, it will be considered just as a normal Friday, unless Maru makes it to the Finals to lose 4-0.
If Trap and Classic beat shit out of all zergs and marus and make it to the Final match, then Protoss is OP, and nerfs are required.
Someway I think that last scenario would be most desirable of them all, even if PvP is notoriously dull matchup to watch.
Yeah Classic and Trap definitely have the two best storylines going into Blizzcon, and winning would mean the most for each of them. For the sake of a quality finals, though, it may be better if it's a Maru/Trap or Classic/soO finals.
Classic and Trap have nice storylines going into BlizzCon, but winning would mean even more for Reynor. Ignoring the fact that I am a diehard fan of foreigners for a second, I agree that a Trap-Maru final would be entertaining, but why would you field soO against a victorious Classic? To add another second place to his career?
On October 27 2019 19:57 UnLarva wrote: If Maru wins it all, then the road for it would be likely the most insane playoffs path of entire history of SC2.
If Serral wins it all, it will be considered just as a normal Friday, unless Maru makes it to the Finals to lose 4-0.
If Trap and Classic beat shit out of all zergs and marus and make it to the Final match, then Protoss is OP, and nerfs are required.
Someway I think that last scenario would be most desirable of them all, even if PvP is notoriously dull matchup to watch.
Yeah Classic and Trap definitely have the two best storylines going into Blizzcon, and winning would mean the most for each of them. For the sake of a quality finals, though, it may be better if it's a Maru/Trap or Classic/soO finals.
Classic and Trap have nice storylines going into BlizzCon, but winning would mean even more for Reynor. Ignoring the fact that I am a diehard fan of foreigners for a second, I agree that a Trap-Maru final would be entertaining, but why would you field soO against a victorious Classic? To add another second place to his career?
Reynor winning would be the most underwhelming result for me, he's the least accomplish player coming in and every other player here (except Serral and maybe Maru if he stick around) are gonna be gone in a year or two with how SC is doing in Korea. Winning Blizzcon as a final (or close to final) clap would be awesome. Could be the last time we get to see a Korean winning a major tournament too, if GSL don't come back.
On October 27 2019 19:57 UnLarva wrote: If Maru wins it all, then the road for it would be likely the most insane playoffs path of entire history of SC2.
If Serral wins it all, it will be considered just as a normal Friday, unless Maru makes it to the Finals to lose 4-0.
If Trap and Classic beat shit out of all zergs and marus and make it to the Final match, then Protoss is OP, and nerfs are required.
Someway I think that last scenario would be most desirable of them all, even if PvP is notoriously dull matchup to watch.
Yeah Classic and Trap definitely have the two best storylines going into Blizzcon, and winning would mean the most for each of them. For the sake of a quality finals, though, it may be better if it's a Maru/Trap or Classic/soO finals.
Classic and Trap have nice storylines going into BlizzCon, but winning would mean even more for Reynor. Ignoring the fact that I am a diehard fan of foreigners for a second, I agree that a Trap-Maru final would be entertaining, but why would you field soO against a victorious Classic? To add another second place to his career?
Reynor winning would be the most underwhelming result for me, he's the least accomplish player coming in and every other player here (except Serral and maybe Maru if he stick around) are gonna be gone in a year or two with how SC is doing in Korea. Winning Blizzcon as a final (or close to final) clap would be awesome. Could be the last time we get to see a Korean winning a major tournament too, if GSL don't come back.
I can not see how the story of a young prodigy winning the world championship would not be awesome
On October 27 2019 19:57 UnLarva wrote: If Maru wins it all, then the road for it would be likely the most insane playoffs path of entire history of SC2.
If Serral wins it all, it will be considered just as a normal Friday, unless Maru makes it to the Finals to lose 4-0.
If Trap and Classic beat shit out of all zergs and marus and make it to the Final match, then Protoss is OP, and nerfs are required.
Someway I think that last scenario would be most desirable of them all, even if PvP is notoriously dull matchup to watch.
Yeah Classic and Trap definitely have the two best storylines going into Blizzcon, and winning would mean the most for each of them. For the sake of a quality finals, though, it may be better if it's a Maru/Trap or Classic/soO finals.
Classic and Trap have nice storylines going into BlizzCon, but winning would mean even more for Reynor. Ignoring the fact that I am a diehard fan of foreigners for a second, I agree that a Trap-Maru final would be entertaining, but why would you field soO against a victorious Classic? To add another second place to his career?
Reynor winning would be the most underwhelming result for me, he's the least accomplish player coming in and every other player here (except Serral and maybe Maru if he stick around) are gonna be gone in a year or two with how SC is doing in Korea. Winning Blizzcon as a final (or close to final) clap would be awesome. Could be the last time we get to see a Korean winning a major tournament too, if GSL don't come back.
I can not see how the story of a young prodigy winning the world championship would not be awesome
Basically anyone who wins has a cool story angle. Classic before retirement, Trap bouncing back from being the next big Kong, soO getting the big prize after his post victory slump after being THE Kong. Maru answers his relatively week weekender record with a title that might push him into being the GOAT, Serral cements his place as the best player of recent times and Rogue and especially Dark jump up into that spot if he doesn’t.
They’re all great players and there’s a nice angle on basically all of them, makes it hard to root for anyone really. Trap’s redemption and Classic’s triumphant last tournament are my two personal favourite arcs but I don’t see those two being able to run a PvZ gauntlet to pull it off sadly.
On October 27 2019 19:36 Schelim wrote: Serral 3-1 SoO Reynor 3-2 Trap Rogue 3-1 Classic Dark 3-1 Maru
Serral 3-2 Reynor Rogue 3-2 Dark
Serral 4-2 Rogue
Do you actually think Trap will take two maps? One map maybe if Reynor does something funky or throws. Trap just barely won against Elazer...
herO has basically won vs Reynor then we saw the craziest comeback/throw of the group stage, so yeah as long as u think trap s PVZ is on par with herO's (and i think so) he should take at least 2 maps
Trap's PvZ didn't look better than herO's to be honest. In addiction to that, everyone has four extra days to prepare.
Don't forget they have to travel to Blizzcon which cuts prep time in half I guess
On October 27 2019 19:36 Schelim wrote: Serral 3-1 SoO Reynor 3-2 Trap Rogue 3-1 Classic Dark 3-1 Maru
Serral 3-2 Reynor Rogue 3-2 Dark
Serral 4-2 Rogue
Do you actually think Trap will take two maps? One map maybe if Reynor does something funky or throws. Trap just barely won against Elazer...
herO has basically won vs Reynor then we saw the craziest comeback/throw of the group stage, so yeah as long as u think trap s PVZ is on par with herO's (and i think so) he should take at least 2 maps
Trap's PvZ didn't look better than herO's to be honest. In addiction to that, everyone has four extra days to prepare.
Don't forget they have to travel to Blizzcon which cuts prep time in half I guess
Since they travel from East to West and cross the International Date Line, considering flights from Seoul(+8 UCT) to Anaheim(-8 UCT) last approximately 11 hours(plus the time spent in the airport et cetera), appropriate schedule might make you waste no time at all.
On October 27 2019 19:57 UnLarva wrote: If Maru wins it all, then the road for it would be likely the most insane playoffs path of entire history of SC2.
If Serral wins it all, it will be considered just as a normal Friday, unless Maru makes it to the Finals to lose 4-0.
If Trap and Classic beat shit out of all zergs and marus and make it to the Final match, then Protoss is OP, and nerfs are required.
Someway I think that last scenario would be most desirable of them all, even if PvP is notoriously dull matchup to watch.
Yeah Classic and Trap definitely have the two best storylines going into Blizzcon, and winning would mean the most for each of them. For the sake of a quality finals, though, it may be better if it's a Maru/Trap or Classic/soO finals.
Classic and Trap have nice storylines going into BlizzCon, but winning would mean even more for Reynor. Ignoring the fact that I am a diehard fan of foreigners for a second, I agree that a Trap-Maru final would be entertaining, but why would you field soO against a victorious Classic? To add another second place to his career?
Reynor winning would be the most underwhelming result for me, he's the least accomplish player coming in and every other player here (except Serral and maybe Maru if he stick around) are gonna be gone in a year or two with how SC is doing in Korea. Winning Blizzcon as a final (or close to final) clap would be awesome. Could be the last time we get to see a Korean winning a major tournament too, if GSL don't come back.
I can not see how the story of a young prodigy winning the world championship would not be awesome
He's gonna win it someday if they keep having SC2 at Blizzcon, it's him or Serral at this point, would be a bit boring to have him win right now. Unless a major shift happen in the scene, win or lose, he'll be one of the few favorite going into Blizzcon next year. (and the year after that and the year after that) Rogue winning would also be dull for me, but that's because I never liked him that much