MlorD vs Serral is a match I'd love to see, Serral never won a series against our most beloved Protoss hater(but that's, of course, pre 2018 Serral); unfortunately, MlorD should have to eliminate Neeb in the process if am I reading the knockout bracket right.
On July 13 2019 20:23 Elentos wrote: Did Demuslim just scream Eeyore or am I tripping
He did.
Refer to your signature for further comments on that from me.
Hellraiser really fucked himself this game by not killing the rocks at his 4th. Attacked them mid fight once and denied himself from flanking Kelazhur now.
On July 13 2019 21:28 Elentos wrote: The TL calendar tells me this event is live now: MSI Pro Challenge
But outside of Liquipedia and betting sites I can't find anything to suggest this actually exists or games are actually played.
"The MSI Pro Challenge is an online invitational tournament for 8 players using old Wings of Liberty maps."
I would watch it.
I haven't found any indicators where to watch. Maybe since it's Wings maps the theme is full retro and you have to look into radio frequencies to listen in or visit your local library to read it though.
On July 13 2019 21:28 Elentos wrote: The TL calendar tells me this event is live now: MSI Pro Challenge
But outside of Liquipedia and betting sites I can't find anything to suggest this actually exists or games are actually played.
"The MSI Pro Challenge is an online invitational tournament for 8 players using old Wings of Liberty maps."
I would watch it.
I haven't found any indicators where to watch. Maybe since it's Wings maps the theme is full retro and you have to look into radio frequencies to listen in or visit your local library to read it though.
Ha ha. Getting the latest LR posts in the mail was pretty sick too
Cham's completely braindead execution of the nydus play was still enough to win against MLorD's lackluster response. Pretty sure he's just gonna get completely railed by Neeb though. Unless there's a TLO moment there.
Hey we got a Scarlett-Shadown rematch of WCS Montreal! I remember watching the game live, Shadown cannon/batteries rush her every game and the audience was almost ready to boo him if he had won
And we also have Elazer-Hellraiser, the modern Mana-Naama
So what skins are allowed in WCS? Only the ones that have matching building skins? Because I figured otherwise I'd have seen some Umojan Terran by now.
Also why is only Harstem's cyber core a skin and none of his other structures?
PtitDrogo going to win the PvP and crush our Serral vs Neeb dreams. We are fated to never see Serral vs Neeb in WCS or Serral vs Maru ever again, and it's time we resigned ourselves to the fact. I hope this post ages poorly.
On July 13 2019 23:19 Durnuu wrote: Harstem can still win this tournament. All it takes is a little poison in SpeCial's food, and Harstem will act as a replacement.
Working on my “You should quit the tournament” letter, does someone know how to forge TY signature?
Huge neeb fan but I'm surprised at how highly some people rate his chances. Going through drogo with his weak pvp will be hard enough, never mind serral. TLO is a good player but if he could beat neeb 2-0 i could see cham giving neeb trouble as well.
On July 14 2019 00:00 sudete wrote: Huge neeb fan but I'm surprised at how highly some people rate his chances. Going through drogo with his weak pvp will be hard enough, never mind serral. TLO is a good player but if he could beat neeb 2-0 i could see cham giving neeb trouble as well.
Ro32 First Set Bo3 Neeb is vastly different from Playoff Neeb
On July 14 2019 00:00 sudete wrote: Huge neeb fan but I'm surprised at how highly some people rate his chances. Going through drogo with his weak pvp will be hard enough, never mind serral. TLO is a good player but if he could beat neeb 2-0 i could see cham giving neeb trouble as well.
Ro32 First Set Bo3 Neeb is vastly different from Playoff Neeb
This prophecy seems on track besides it being ro16
On July 12 2019 06:51 dysenterymd wrote: Too bad we won't get this final because Neeb will lose a PvP to PtitDrogo in the ro8 or something random like that
On July 14 2019 00:00 sudete wrote: Huge neeb fan but I'm surprised at how highly some people rate his chances. Going through drogo with his weak pvp will be hard enough, never mind serral. TLO is a good player but if he could beat neeb 2-0 i could see cham giving neeb trouble as well.
TLO is winning this tournament through the power of love, so that doesn't count.
I wonder if the solution would be not to pull the drones/queens/zergling just before the immortal appears... Once it does with shield battery it's basically over.
On July 14 2019 01:28 AzAlexZ wrote: disgusting BC control there wp Gabe also plz nerf the fuking BC's
This build has already been figured out in Korea. Last time we saw it, Zerg crushed it. We don't even see it anymore in pro matches.
Give Europe time to figure it out. No need to nerf a build that's already been figured out in the higher level meta. The game isn't balanced around lower level European pros.
If I wanted to see a couple of random results from a year ago (where he qualified on the 2nd day beating powerhouses such as Forte and Dandy) I would have used past tense...
As far as I know, Sortof is not a code S player, because he failed to qualify in Season 1 and Season 2 and didnt even try in Season 3. And with this play, he wouldnt get anywhere close. I rarely see such terrible zerg play, and I watch the Korean zergs quite regularly
On July 14 2019 01:50 Vindicare605 wrote: Who is picking the games that are streamed? Why would we see Special clown on Mana when we could see Scarlett vs Showtime?
Scarlett vs Showtime is probably the next series on main stream after Special vs Mana seeing as there's only ever 2 matches at the same time.
If I wanted to see a couple of random results from a year ago (where he qualified on the 2nd day beating powerhouses such as Forte and Dandy) I would have used past tense...
As far as I know, Sortof is not a code S player, because he failed to qualify in Season 1 and Season 2 and didnt even try in Season 3. And with this play, he wouldnt get anywhere close. I rarely see such terrible zerg play, and I watch the Korean zergs quite regularly
Fairly sure if you can get into code S you are GM.
Also if your just gonna come here wating for opportinity to troll about foreigner (which is all your gonna do) fell free to go do something else.
If I wanted to see a couple of random results from a year ago (where he qualified on the 2nd day beating powerhouses such as Forte and Dandy) I would have used past tense...
As far as I know, Sortof is not a code S player, because he failed to qualify in Season 1 and Season 2 and didnt even try in Season 3. And with this play, he wouldnt get anywhere close. I rarely see such terrible zerg play, and I watch the Korean zergs quite regularly
Fairly sure if you can get into code S you are GM.
Also if your just gonna come here wating for opportinity to troll about foreigner (which is all your gonna do) fell free to go do something else.
If I wanted to see a couple of random results from a year ago (where he qualified on the 2nd day beating powerhouses such as Forte and Dandy) I would have used past tense...
As far as I know, Sortof is not a code S player, because he failed to qualify in Season 1 and Season 2 and didnt even try in Season 3. And with this play, he wouldnt get anywhere close. I rarely see such terrible zerg play, and I watch the Korean zergs quite regularly
Fairly sure if you can get into code S you are GM.
Uhm... That was a year ago (facepalm). By your logic, Maru trashed Serral 3:0 at 2018 WESG, so surely he is a class above player and Serral is nowhere near close to him right?
I dont watch Sortof play, was surprised someone this bad can be in WCS RO16, but guess its normal then. On the other hand your smartass remark was just completely off and a straight up lie, so...
If I wanted to see a couple of random results from a year ago (where he qualified on the 2nd day beating powerhouses such as Forte and Dandy) I would have used past tense...
As far as I know, Sortof is not a code S player, because he failed to qualify in Season 1 and Season 2 and didnt even try in Season 3. And with this play, he wouldnt get anywhere close. I rarely see such terrible zerg play, and I watch the Korean zergs quite regularly
Fairly sure if you can get into code S you are GM.
Uhm... That was a year ago (facepalm). By your logic, Maru trashed Serral 3:0 at 2018 WESG, so surely he is a class above player and Serral is nowhere near close to him right?
I dont watch Sortof play, was surprised someone this bad can be in WCS RO16, but guess its normal then. On the other hand your smartass remark was just completely off and a straight up lie, so...
I know sorry, made the mistake of oppening up twitch chat, got me trigger. Anyway I'm off for the day, have fun guys
If I wanted to see a couple of random results from a year ago (where he qualified on the 2nd day beating powerhouses such as Forte and Dandy) I would have used past tense...
As far as I know, Sortof is not a code S player, because he failed to qualify in Season 1 and Season 2 and didnt even try in Season 3. And with this play, he wouldnt get anywhere close. I rarely see such terrible zerg play, and I watch the Korean zergs quite regularly
Fairly sure if you can get into code S you are GM.
Uhm... That was a year ago (facepalm). By your logic, Maru trashed Serral 3:0 at 2018 WESG, so surely he is a class above player and Serral is nowhere near close to him right?
I dont watch Sortof play, was surprised someone this bad can be in WCS RO16, but guess its normal then. On the other hand your smartass remark was just completely off and a straight up lie, so...
you came here to trash a player and add nothing constructive, so don't be surprised when you get smartass remarks
On July 14 2019 02:10 Elentos wrote: I appreciate TLO's attempt to doom drop burrow move roaches in Elazer's main but the gap between EU and NA was just too big for him to overcome.
EU ZvZ is so stronk even Koreans are having trouble, so no wonder.
On July 14 2019 02:42 Vindicare605 wrote: I just don't buy this late game Tank style. For the same amount of gas, aren't Liberators just strictly better?
Not necessarily. Liberators take away medivac production, get easily flanked (as in, can literally not get a single shot because of how their ground attack works), don't have AoE... Not to say tanks don't have downsides, but I can see why tanks are used.
On July 14 2019 02:42 Vindicare605 wrote: I just don't buy this late game Tank style. For the same amount of gas, aren't Liberators just strictly better?
Not necessarily. Liberators take away medivac production, get easily flanked (as in, can literally not get a single shot because of how their ground attack works), don't have AoE... Not to say tanks don't have downsides, but I can see why tanks are used.
Tanks are also cheaper and don't need a range upgrade to not be shit.
On July 14 2019 02:42 Vindicare605 wrote: I just don't buy this late game Tank style. For the same amount of gas, aren't Liberators just strictly better?
Not necessarily. Liberators take away medivac production, get easily flanked (as in, can literally not get a single shot because of how their ground attack works), don't have AoE... Not to say tanks don't have downsides, but I can see why tanks are used.
You can just add another Starport. Liberators can be made 2 at a time, can't be hit by Immortals or Zealots and don't deal friendly fire splash to your own units.
If you really need the extra splash, Widow Mines can provide it for way cheaper.
Tanks in late game situations just don't make sense. The deadzone is the only real weakness, and even then you can just fight in the deadzone as the Terran. It's not much different than the deadzone that are on Siege Tanks.
On July 14 2019 02:42 Vindicare605 wrote: I just don't buy this late game Tank style. For the same amount of gas, aren't Liberators just strictly better?
Not necessarily. Liberators take away medivac production, get easily flanked (as in, can literally not get a single shot because of how their ground attack works), don't have AoE... Not to say tanks don't have downsides, but I can see why tanks are used.
Tanks are also cheaper and don't need a range upgrade to not be shit.
On July 14 2019 02:42 Vindicare605 wrote: I just don't buy this late game Tank style. For the same amount of gas, aren't Liberators just strictly better?
Not necessarily. Liberators take away medivac production, get easily flanked (as in, can literally not get a single shot because of how their ground attack works), don't have AoE... Not to say tanks don't have downsides, but I can see why tanks are used.
Tanks are also cheaper and don't need a range upgrade to not be shit.
25 gas difference.
It adds up. Every 5 tanks you have gas for a ghost that you couldn't have built if it was liberators!
Also as I said libs are shit without the range upgrade. It actually takes a long time for them to get online and they're kinda prone to stacking up and getting stormed to death.
But this is a style specifically made for playing against robo based styles, TY said so at HSC.
On July 14 2019 03:30 Boggyb wrote: Despite outplaying Scarlett the entire time, it took Showtime 17 minutes and the entire Protoss arsenal to win that game.
On July 14 2019 03:30 Boggyb wrote: Despite outplaying Scarlett the entire time, it took Showtime 17 minutes and the entire Protoss arsenal to win that game.
It was a 17-minute stomp essentially.
Pretty much, Scarlett was barely able to do anything offensively with the Swarmhosts, which is terrible for Zerg.
On July 14 2019 03:51 sneakyfox wrote: Nice to see Showtime playing so well after he felt so bad when he lost at HSC.
Dislocating that shoulder brought out the best in Showtime.
It's the classic near-death experience that puts everything into perspective and makes you realize what's really important in life. The answer, of course, was to play more starcraft.
Showtime played REALLY well, super clean and using DTs in a magnificient way, while Scarlett was much sloppier than usual (and she is sloppy) and just seemed overwhelmed, not knowing what to do. Really dominant series by Showtime, Scarlett had no chance.
Which Protoss has the best chance of taking down Serral? Neeb or PtitDrogo. I'd normally say Neeb, but when he drops a series to TLO and a map to Cham, I'm not sure about his PvZ form.
On July 14 2019 04:08 Aunvilgodess wrote: Showtime played rather good
Except for those 1 quadrillion biles he ate.
Yeah many of those were unnecessary, however he sometimes needed to push forward since always dodging just helps Scarlett to buy time for Locust waves.
Time looked very good against Clem. Now 20-5 match score in the mirror this year, with 3 of those losses to Maru/Gumi. Hope he can pull the off the upset against Showtime.
On July 14 2019 04:10 Azhrak wrote: Serral on main stream next?
No on Wardi right now.
I appreciate them trying to show many different players and regions on the main stream, but personally I just want to see as many Serral games as possible.
Makes sense to skip him in the earlier rounds though. There's like a 90% chance we will see him tomorrow anyway.
On July 14 2019 04:12 Latr02 wrote: Time looked very good against Clem. Now 20-5 match score in the mirror this year, with 3 of those losses to Maru/Gumi. Hope he can pull the off the upset against Showtime.
I wouldn't call that an upset, iirc he's quite good against protoss.
On July 14 2019 04:12 Latr02 wrote: Time looked very good against Clem. Now 20-5 match score in the mirror this year, with 3 of those losses to Maru/Gumi. Hope he can pull the off the upset against Showtime.
Wouldn't be an upset if TIME wins, he's good and we know it.
On July 14 2019 04:12 Latr02 wrote: Time looked very good against Clem. Now 20-5 match score in the mirror this year, with 3 of those losses to Maru/Gumi. Hope he can pull the off the upset against Showtime.
Wouldn't be an upset if TIME wins, he's good and we know it.
Sure, guess I meant I just rate his TvT higher. Quick look at his results this year show that he can beat Neeb but also lose to Astrea and Cyan. I'd also expect the desk/community at large to favor Showtime.
Looks like I have missed the whole day almost. I guess it's mainly because I just can't bring myself to being interested in who wins. Please, bring back the Koreans to WCS to entertain this old man.
On July 14 2019 04:43 Heartland wrote: Wait, archons do splash damage to your own units?
No they do not. I understood their talk incorrectly and thought they declared it to be the case, hence the rage. Turns out I just misheard what they said.
On July 14 2019 04:43 Heartland wrote: Wait, archons do splash damage to your own units?
No they do not. I understood their talk incorrectly and thought they declared it to be the case, hence the rage. Turns out I just misheard what they said.
On July 14 2019 04:46 opisska wrote: Interesting how Hearthland shows up the second he can make fun of me, as opposed to, say, for a scheduled LRTL match or something
I just choose the battles I can win, like any good general
On July 14 2019 04:46 opisska wrote: Interesting how Hearthland shows up the second he can make fun of me, as opposed to, say, for a scheduled LRTL match or something
I just choose the battles I can win, like any good general
Aren't you the only person I ever beat in that particular tournament?
On July 14 2019 04:50 HolydaKing wrote: holy shit denver is close to 2-2. imagine ro4 Denver vs Drogo
I would actually love that, a tourney where It's hard to say who would win
But if he loses now, that means we won't win and it had been hard to say who wins right from the start. Or the same may happen in any later round as well.
Heck, I really need the thonking emote on TL, where does one start a petition?!
nevermind that, game is pretty even again and as such i'm sure serral will win at this stage. serral defended too well despite being down in bases, army and drones.
On July 14 2019 04:46 opisska wrote: Interesting how Hearthland shows up the second he can make fun of me, as opposed to, say, for a scheduled LRTL match or something
I just choose the battles I can win, like any good general
Aren't you the only person I ever beat in that particular tournament?
I don't remember, but it's possible. We should do it again. The tour, that is. Not you beating me.
One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
Literally a dream quarterfinals. Every matchup is completely sick, a good diversity of matchups, and heromarine vs elazer is a great way to start and neeb vs serral is the perfect way to end.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
Well Serral has been almost defeated so many times, so if you find the competition exciting or not doesn't matter (in that regard, at least). Lambo was close, Reynor was close and actually beat him in a tournament this year, Neeb has beaten him several times but not when it actually mattered yet, Scarlett was close... WCS Montreal especially should have been Reynors win, it was such a miracle Serral turned that around.
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
As long as it's white, it brings in the viewers
I imagine a black serral would be just as mind blowing. Or brown.
Or anyone not from the one nation that rules them all. But dont let that get in the way of a quality shitpost.
Those poor koreans... if only people would watch their non white leagues. Then they could have a shot at fortune and fame.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
Well Serral has been almost defeated so many times, so if you find the competition exciting or not doesn't matter (in that regard, at least). Lambo was close, Reynor was close and actually beat him in a tournament this year, Neeb has beaten him several times but not when it actually mattered yet, Scarlett was close... WCS Montreal especially should have been Reynors win, it was such a miracle Serral turned that around.
I agree. It's not like Serral is 3-0 vs everyone. He goes to an ace match more often than not and clutches it out anyway
On July 14 2019 05:16 opisska wrote: One thing I have to give to all those people behind this is their perseverance. This is still absolutely top notch production, great stage, so many talented people working on delivering the best viewing experience despite SC2 being just a niche entertainment for a group of aging nerds. Really, no sarcasm, my hat off.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
As long as it's white, it brings in the viewers
I imagine a black serral would be just as mind blowing. Or brown.
Or anyone not from the one nation that rules them all. But dont let that get in the way of a quality shitpost.
Those poor koreans... if only people would watch their non white leagues. Then they could have a shot at fortune and fame.
Poor under appreciated korean starcraft players.
Yeah I'm sure everyone would cheer for TIME in Serral's place lmao It's funny because people wanted koreans to get banned for being too "faceless", and then you get Serral who's 10x more faceless than even TaeJa.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
As long as it's white, it brings in the viewers
I imagine a black serral would be just as mind blowing. Or brown.
Or anyone not from the one nation that rules them all. But dont let that get in the way of a quality shitpost.
Those poor koreans... if only people would watch their non white leagues. Then they could have a shot at fortune and fame.
Poor under appreciated korean starcraft players.
Yeah I'm sure everyone would cheer for TIME in Serral's place lmao It's funny because people wanted koreans to get banned for being too "faceless", and then you get Serral who's 10x more faceless than even TaeJa.
Why do you feel the need to attack him personally like this?
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
Well Serral has been almost defeated so many times, so if you find the competition exciting or not doesn't matter (in that regard, at least). Lambo was close, Reynor was close and actually beat him in a tournament this year, Neeb has beaten him several times but not when it actually mattered yet, Scarlett was close... WCS Montreal especially should have been Reynors win, it was such a miracle Serral turned that around.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
Well Serral has been almost defeated so many times, so if you find the competition exciting or not doesn't matter (in that regard, at least). Lambo was close, Reynor was close and actually beat him in a tournament this year, Neeb has beaten him several times but not when it actually mattered yet, Scarlett was close... WCS Montreal especially should have been Reynors win, it was such a miracle Serral turned that around.
Couldn't agree more. The only thing that's wrong with starcraft is the fact that it's not going to be around much longer.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
As long as it's white, it brings in the viewers
I imagine a black serral would be just as mind blowing. Or brown.
Or anyone not from the one nation that rules them all. But dont let that get in the way of a quality shitpost.
Those poor koreans... if only people would watch their non white leagues. Then they could have a shot at fortune and fame.
Poor under appreciated korean starcraft players.
Yeah I'm sure everyone would cheer for TIME in Serral's place lmao It's funny because people wanted koreans to get banned for being too "faceless", and then you get Serral who's 10x more faceless than even TaeJa.
C'mon have you even watched HSC? Serral is a fun guy.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
Well Serral has been almost defeated so many times, so if you find the competition exciting or not doesn't matter (in that regard, at least). Lambo was close, Reynor was close and actually beat him in a tournament this year, Neeb has beaten him several times but not when it actually mattered yet, Scarlett was close... WCS Montreal especially should have been Reynors win, it was such a miracle Serral turned that around.
The finals of WCS Jönköping didn't matter?
that was before Serrals rise
It's like Starcraft 2 came out in 2018 for some people.
On July 14 2019 05:35 HolydaKing wrote: [quote] I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
Well Serral has been almost defeated so many times, so if you find the competition exciting or not doesn't matter (in that regard, at least). Lambo was close, Reynor was close and actually beat him in a tournament this year, Neeb has beaten him several times but not when it actually mattered yet, Scarlett was close... WCS Montreal especially should have been Reynors win, it was such a miracle Serral turned that around.
The finals of WCS Jönköping didn't matter?
that was before Serrals rise
It's like Starcraft 2 came out in 2018 for some people.
Nah it's only Serral's results don't matter pre-GSL vs The World. Even though you'd think 2nd place in WCS and ro8 at Katowice were notable enough results.
SC2 is in a much better state than it was 2 years ago. I do think it will be around for quite some time. Even if Blizzard cuts WCS the community is kinda small but very active.
How so? What is so much better in your opinion? We get WCS, funded mostly by Blizzard afaik and really not that much else (besides HSC, which has always been there and is running at a loss anyway, just out of Take's passion supply). What is the positive step with respect to 2 years ago? I just don't really see it.
I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
As long as it's white, it brings in the viewers
I imagine a black serral would be just as mind blowing. Or brown.
Or anyone not from the one nation that rules them all. But dont let that get in the way of a quality shitpost.
Those poor koreans... if only people would watch their non white leagues. Then they could have a shot at fortune and fame.
Poor under appreciated korean starcraft players.
Yeah I'm sure everyone would cheer for TIME in Serral's place lmao It's funny because people wanted koreans to get banned for being too "faceless", and then you get Serral who's 10x more faceless than even TaeJa.
Why do you feel the need to attack him personally like this?
Serral's achievements would appear as impressive to me if he were korean, TRUE to name one; he would be the true heir of Life, potentially. I would for sure support a godlike TRUE(just as I would if he were a black South african player for example) whereas, I admit, I would probably be less enthusiastic since he wouldn't be the first non korean best player in the world.
Conversely, if TIME were in Serral's place, I would be very pleased, you would be happier since he plays Terran(such a story would that be, a WCS Terran being the best in the world) and SC2's number would skyrocket even more, carried by millions of chinese viewers.
Serral surely is not at his peak right now but his shape seems good, except for an apparent weakness to Protoss; Serral vs Neeb happening is nice but I guess everyone was asking for a bo7 Grand Final between the two. Jonkoping's victory was indeed relevant, the last two sweeps in Neeb's favor ultimately didn't matter; it's time for Serral to beat Neeb again after almost one year and half. In any of case, I would not mind to see the winner of Special vs Reynor lift the trophy.
Comparing pre 2018(even worse, pre 2017) Serral to his ascended version is like speaking of 2013 Dear and post BlizzCon Dear or pre 2017 Rogue to peak Rogue: despite they are the same players, the difference in their level of play is so staggering this kind of comparisons become not that meaningful.
Serral is not faceless, we had that impression because he was not comfortable while being interviewed and because being forced to speak english kind of masked his personality; he is much more at ease now, it's evident.
On a side note, SortOf is not Code S material at the moment but making fun of a player who qualified for the Sacred Tournament twice last year doesn't really get on well with all the claims of how hard and competitive it is(and how godly Maru can be because he won it four times straight).
On July 14 2019 05:35 HolydaKing wrote: [quote] I'm assuming he means viewer number wise, where he isn't wrong.
Oh really? That's good news! How do you get that info short of being online for every event to see it?
Well, I know HSC had the best summer viewer numbers since years and last winter was even better too. I believe it's been the case for more tournaments and it's much thanks to Serral being awesome. I can't say much for GSL numbers which might be the same still.
That is a cute website, thanks! Interesting, I would expect Serral winning everything to rather discourage people from watching, but I guess the crowd wants its story.
A foreigner has never been the best in the world. And he's still on an insane streak. I think most want to see who can actually stop him and how long this can keep going
Hence why I would always be there with my eyes peeled to the screen for every Serral match against Koreans, but his competition in WCS doesn't look that exciting.
Well Serral has been almost defeated so many times, so if you find the competition exciting or not doesn't matter (in that regard, at least). Lambo was close, Reynor was close and actually beat him in a tournament this year, Neeb has beaten him several times but not when it actually mattered yet, Scarlett was close... WCS Montreal especially should have been Reynors win, it was such a miracle Serral turned that around.
The finals of WCS Jönköping didn't matter?
that was before Serrals rise
It's like Starcraft 2 came out in 2018 for some people.
Jokes on you, I've been an active fan of the game since 2010, this account may be new to TL but I'm not. Don't assume my history w/ this game it might be longer than yours
On July 14 2019 04:31 Boggyb wrote: It isn't a true Neeb cast without Nathanias for the hype.
Being a target for calling out Terran bias for how much I used to whine years ago, I'm very very happy someone sees how much I love Neeb :D <3 do you know how stupid it is that I sincerely love him more than everyone else and people tell me I'm lying because Blizzard pays me to? Lmao
On July 14 2019 04:31 Boggyb wrote: It isn't a true Neeb cast without Nathanias for the hype.
Being a target for calling out Terran bias for how much I used to whine years ago, I'm very very happy someone sees how much I love Neeb :D <3 do you know how stupid it is that I sincerely love him more than everyone else and people tell me I'm lying because Blizzard pays me to? Lmao
honestly having a slight bias for the race you play and love should be fine, a caster can also be a fan of a player or race, and and I dont think you go overboard in the slightest, not even close. people are just salty, your casting is beautiful and definitely one of the best out there, love watching you cast Neeb and all terrans
On July 14 2019 15:46 showstealer1829 wrote: Seriously. Can we just get Reynor and Serral to just toss a coin 7 times so we don't waste everyone's fucking time?
On July 14 2019 04:31 Boggyb wrote: It isn't a true Neeb cast without Nathanias for the hype.
Being a target for calling out Terran bias for how much I used to whine years ago, I'm very very happy someone sees how much I love Neeb :D <3 do you know how stupid it is that I sincerely love him more than everyone else and people tell me I'm lying because Blizzard pays me to? Lmao
honestly having a slight bias for the race you play and love should be fine, a caster can also be a fan of a player or race, and and I dont think you go overboard in the slightest, not even close. people are just salty, your casting is beautiful and definitely one of the best out there, love watching you cast Neeb and all terrans
Yeah most of us definitely prefer a caster that CARESand that almost inevitably causes a "bias". The few bubbleheads who can't look past their race or dislike of a player shall be ignored, Nathanias is indeed quite ok.
On July 14 2019 07:12 Zaros wrote: Serral is definitely vulnerable to Neeb, Scarlett and Reynor, and has lost to all of them in the past year.
Will be good to finally see Neeb vs peak Serral at WCS last time they played was in china i think and Neeb won, right?
If Neeb wins, he isn't peak Serral and therefore it doesn't count.
So by your logic, Maru was not peak Maru last year cuz he lost games at GSL vs The World, Super Tournament and Blizzcon
That's not his logic but the logic of Serral fanboys who said the same when he lost to soO and Inno.
A fun narrative, if it wasn't that Serral clearly looked worse than his best at IEM before losing to Inno and soO; he was committing too many uncharachteristic errors, if you can't tell the difference it really is your fault.
On July 14 2019 07:12 Zaros wrote: Serral is definitely vulnerable to Neeb, Scarlett and Reynor, and has lost to all of them in the past year.
Will be good to finally see Neeb vs peak Serral at WCS last time they played was in china i think and Neeb won, right?
If Neeb wins, he isn't peak Serral and therefore it doesn't count.
So by your logic, Maru was not peak Maru last year cuz he lost games at GSL vs The World, Super Tournament and Blizzcon
That's not his logic but the logic of Serral fanboys who said the same when he lost to soO and Inno.
A fun narrative, if it wasn't that Serral clearly looked worse than his best at IEM before losing to Inno and soO; he was committing too many uncharachteristic errors, if you can't tell the difference it really is your fault.
On July 14 2019 07:12 Zaros wrote: Serral is definitely vulnerable to Neeb, Scarlett and Reynor, and has lost to all of them in the past year.
Will be good to finally see Neeb vs peak Serral at WCS last time they played was in china i think and Neeb won, right?
If Neeb wins, he isn't peak Serral and therefore it doesn't count.
So by your logic, Maru was not peak Maru last year cuz he lost games at GSL vs The World, Super Tournament and Blizzcon
That's not his logic but the logic of Serral fanboys who said the same when he lost to soO and Inno.
A fun narrative, if it wasn't that Serral clearly looked worse than his best at IEM before losing to Inno and soO; he was committing too many uncharachteristic errors, if you can't tell the difference it really is your fault.
thanks for proving my point
It just proves the fact you can't tell the difference, you even openly stated it more than once. Serral was objectively playing worse(and I started saying that before he actually lost).