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On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic) To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament). What part of this looks like slaughter?. The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well. Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder). Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.
I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.
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On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic) To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament). What part of this looks like slaughter?. The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well. Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder). Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example. I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.
He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else.
This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).
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On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic) To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament). What part of this looks like slaughter?. The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well. Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder). Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example. I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump. He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else. This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).
I'm not saying he's playing at the level he was at his peaks.
Maybe our definitions of slumps differ. Fact of the matter, however, is that he's nothing less than the second best Terran player on the planet. And has had a lot of success this year already
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On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch. I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1. I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)
Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D
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On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch. I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1. That's because there are like 2.5 good Zerg players in Korea: soO (until the GSL finals), Dark (until the ro4), Rogue (not recently), and Solar (even less recently). Someone else occasionally does something of note like make the ro16 or even ro8 but it is usually flash in the pan. I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)
Agreed. ZvP is imbalanced in favor of Zerg but it looks like it's the other way around because Protoss players happen to be better.
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On June 22 2019 03:49 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch. I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1. I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment) Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D
Or because Life was banned and ByuL retired. Who has Protoss lost in LotV? MyuNgSiK?
edit: I guess Rain since I don't think he played any in LotV or I can't recall it.
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Gogo Dark! Time to join soO, INnoVation and Classic as this year's ex-SKT champs! 
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This season has been one of the worst in recent memory, but perhaps it can go out strong. This final has a lot of potential. Both these guys have wanted to be champs for so long and they have a longstanding rivalry. Trap tends to have Dark's number though.
 Trap 4-3  Dark
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This day in StarCraft II (June 22nd)
2014 MLG Anaheim won by [South Korea] Trap
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Rooting for Dark, but I'll be happy if Trap wins. Love both players
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Still not sure, Dark is great but Protoss is good atm and Trap has good head to head.
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It's been 4 years or so, I hope a Zerg can finally win a GSL again!
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if it's a 4-6 game series, dark wins
if it goes to game 7, trap ...
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On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic) To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament). What part of this looks like slaughter?. The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well. Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder). Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example. I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump. He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else. This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).
Inno right now is like 2012/13 Mvp bringing out his best against the best, even as he can't keep up with average players. In 2013 it was Mvp making miracles against Inno despite all odds. Now its Inno doing it to Serral and Maru.
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I think although Dark is more skillful in my humble opinion, a good chance that Trap will be bolstered by the love and support of his colleagues, coach, meal prep and practice environment.
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My uneducated opinion is that Dark is the best korean zerg atm and that zvp is zerg favored (am zerg player, not complaining).
I am rooting for dark. Have a feeling we will see some real weird shit this match.
Protoss does seem to be very strong in box events vs bo1 but Trap (from what I've seen) is not the best talent playing that race (imo2x)
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EPT
