• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:57
CEST 21:57
KST 04:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy12ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple5Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research3Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
Build Order Practice Maps [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group E 🌍 Weekly Foreign Showmatches [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2347 users

[GSL 2019] Season 2 - Grand Finals - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 19 20 21 Next All
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
June 21 2019 17:15 GMT
#21
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 21 2019 17:51 GMT
#22
On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.

He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else.

This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-21 18:04:22
June 21 2019 18:03 GMT
#23
On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.

He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else.

This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).


I'm not saying he's playing at the level he was at his peaks.

Maybe our definitions of slumps differ. Fact of the matter, however, is that he's nothing less than the second best Terran player on the planet. And has had a lot of success this year already
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 21 2019 18:49 GMT
#24
On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch.

I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1.

I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)

Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
June 21 2019 20:51 GMT
#25
On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch.

I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1.

That's because there are like 2.5 good Zerg players in Korea: soO (until the GSL finals), Dark (until the ro4), Rogue (not recently), and Solar (even less recently). Someone else occasionally does something of note like make the ro16 or even ro8 but it is usually flash in the pan.

I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)

Agreed. ZvP is imbalanced in favor of Zerg but it looks like it's the other way around because Protoss players happen to be better.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-21 21:04:37
June 21 2019 20:58 GMT
#26
On June 22 2019 03:49 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch.

I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1.

I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)

Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D

Or because Life was banned and ByuL retired. Who has Protoss lost in LotV? MyuNgSiK?

edit: I guess Rain since I don't think he played any in LotV or I can't recall it.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
June 21 2019 21:14 GMT
#27
Gogo Dark! Time to join soO, INnoVation and Classic as this year's ex-SKT champs!
Mine gas, build tanks.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 22 2019 00:04 GMT
#28
This season has been one of the worst in recent memory, but perhaps it can go out strong. This final has a lot of potential. Both these guys have wanted to be champs for so long and they have a longstanding rivalry. Trap tends to have Dark's number though.

(P)Trap 4-3 (Z)Dark
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ordeal11
Profile Joined August 2018
Czech Republic52 Posts
June 22 2019 02:56 GMT
#29
This day in StarCraft II (June 22nd)
2014 MLG Anaheim won by [South Korea] Trap
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 22 2019 05:36 GMT
#30
Rooting for Dark, but I'll be happy if Trap wins. Love both players
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
agsub
Profile Joined May 2012
Singapore368 Posts
June 22 2019 05:46 GMT
#31
Go Dark!
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
June 22 2019 06:04 GMT
#32
Still not sure, Dark is great but Protoss is good atm and Trap has good head to head.
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
June 22 2019 06:04 GMT
#33
Hope Dark wins.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
June 22 2019 06:33 GMT
#34
Trap gogogogo
Year of MaxPax
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
June 22 2019 07:12 GMT
#35
It's been 4 years or so, I hope a Zerg can finally win a GSL again!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
June 22 2019 07:19 GMT
#36
if it's a 4-6 game series, dark wins
if it goes to game 7, trap ...
I like Dark
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
June 22 2019 07:23 GMT
#37
On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.

He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else.

This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).

Inno right now is like 2012/13 Mvp bringing out his best against the best, even as he can't keep up with average players. In 2013 it was Mvp making miracles against Inno despite all odds. Now its Inno doing it to Serral and Maru.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
June 22 2019 07:33 GMT
#38
I think although Dark is more skillful in my humble opinion, a good chance that Trap will be bolstered by the love and support of his colleagues, coach, meal prep and practice environment.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7475 Posts
June 22 2019 07:43 GMT
#39
My uneducated opinion is that Dark is the best korean zerg atm and that zvp is zerg favored (am zerg player, not complaining).

I am rooting for dark. Have a feeling we will see some real weird shit this match.

Protoss does seem to be very strong in box events vs bo1 but Trap (from what I've seen) is not the best talent playing that race (imo2x)
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
June 22 2019 07:52 GMT
#40
gora Trap!
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 19 20 21 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 354
UpATreeSC 147
trigger 87
JuggernautJason79
EmSc Tv 3
StarCraft: Brood War
EffOrt 1004
Mini 225
ggaemo 184
Dewaltoss 128
Aegong 75
hero 73
IntoTheRainbow 15
Dota 2
capcasts340
Counter-Strike
fl0m1548
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu431
Other Games
summit1g6064
FrodaN4549
Grubby3003
tarik_tv2196
Beastyqt609
B2W.Neo546
C9.Mang0127
Hui .87
Trikslyr58
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 33
EmSc Tv 3
EmSc2Tv 3
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 10
• davetesta10
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 19
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1405
League of Legends
• TFBlade1075
Other Games
• imaqtpie1120
• Shiphtur198
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
4h 3m
Replay Cast
13h 3m
Afreeca Starleague
14h 3m
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Kung Fu Cup
15h 3m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 14h
OSC
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maru vs MaxPax
[ Show More ]
BSL
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS6
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.