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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
June 21 2019 17:15 GMT
#21
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 21 2019 17:51 GMT
#22
On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.

He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else.

This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-21 18:04:22
June 21 2019 18:03 GMT
#23
On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.

He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else.

This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).


I'm not saying he's playing at the level he was at his peaks.

Maybe our definitions of slumps differ. Fact of the matter, however, is that he's nothing less than the second best Terran player on the planet. And has had a lot of success this year already
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 21 2019 18:49 GMT
#24
On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch.

I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1.

I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)

Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
June 21 2019 20:51 GMT
#25
On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch.

I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1.

That's because there are like 2.5 good Zerg players in Korea: soO (until the GSL finals), Dark (until the ro4), Rogue (not recently), and Solar (even less recently). Someone else occasionally does something of note like make the ro16 or even ro8 but it is usually flash in the pan.

I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)

Agreed. ZvP is imbalanced in favor of Zerg but it looks like it's the other way around because Protoss players happen to be better.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-21 21:04:37
June 21 2019 20:58 GMT
#26
On June 22 2019 03:49 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote:
Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch.

I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1.

I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment)

Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D

Or because Life was banned and ByuL retired. Who has Protoss lost in LotV? MyuNgSiK?

edit: I guess Rain since I don't think he played any in LotV or I can't recall it.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
June 21 2019 21:14 GMT
#27
Gogo Dark! Time to join soO, INnoVation and Classic as this year's ex-SKT champs!
Mine gas, build tanks.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 22 2019 00:04 GMT
#28
This season has been one of the worst in recent memory, but perhaps it can go out strong. This final has a lot of potential. Both these guys have wanted to be champs for so long and they have a longstanding rivalry. Trap tends to have Dark's number though.

(P)Trap 4-3 (Z)Dark
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ordeal11
Profile Joined August 2018
Czech Republic52 Posts
June 22 2019 02:56 GMT
#29
This day in StarCraft II (June 22nd)
2014 MLG Anaheim won by [South Korea] Trap
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 22 2019 05:36 GMT
#30
Rooting for Dark, but I'll be happy if Trap wins. Love both players
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
agsub
Profile Joined May 2012
Singapore368 Posts
June 22 2019 05:46 GMT
#31
Go Dark!
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
June 22 2019 06:04 GMT
#32
Still not sure, Dark is great but Protoss is good atm and Trap has good head to head.
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
June 22 2019 06:04 GMT
#33
Hope Dark wins.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
June 22 2019 06:33 GMT
#34
Trap gogogogo
Year of MaxPax
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23578 Posts
June 22 2019 07:12 GMT
#35
It's been 4 years or so, I hope a Zerg can finally win a GSL again!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
June 22 2019 07:19 GMT
#36
if it's a 4-6 game series, dark wins
if it goes to game 7, trap ...
I like Dark
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
June 22 2019 07:23 GMT
#37
On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote:
4-2 Either way
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias
Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias
But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic)

To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament).

What part of this looks like slaughter?.

The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well.


Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder).

Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo

Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example.


I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump.

He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else.

This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win).

Inno right now is like 2012/13 Mvp bringing out his best against the best, even as he can't keep up with average players. In 2013 it was Mvp making miracles against Inno despite all odds. Now its Inno doing it to Serral and Maru.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
June 22 2019 07:33 GMT
#38
I think although Dark is more skillful in my humble opinion, a good chance that Trap will be bolstered by the love and support of his colleagues, coach, meal prep and practice environment.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7535 Posts
June 22 2019 07:43 GMT
#39
My uneducated opinion is that Dark is the best korean zerg atm and that zvp is zerg favored (am zerg player, not complaining).

I am rooting for dark. Have a feeling we will see some real weird shit this match.

Protoss does seem to be very strong in box events vs bo1 but Trap (from what I've seen) is not the best talent playing that race (imo2x)
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
June 22 2019 07:52 GMT
#40
gora Trap!
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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