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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 27 2019 10:55 GMT
#1281
On June 27 2019 19:54 Charoisaur wrote:
I think sOs has superior achievement but Mvp has nostalgia on his side so it will be close


sOs is not even close to Mvp.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 11:27:12
June 27 2019 11:26 GMT
#1282
On June 27 2019 19:55 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 19:54 Charoisaur wrote:
I think sOs has superior achievement but Mvp has nostalgia on his side so it will be close


sOs is not even close to Mvp.


Nah, they are at least close, on point sOs was the best HOTS player and maybe the best protoss overall. 3 world championship, 1 korean championship and 3 silver in korean tournaments is at least close to 4 GSL, 1 GSL silver, 1 MLG, 1 WCS EU and a Blizzcon with just one other korean.

Both player are in my top 5 personally
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 27 2019 11:31 GMT
#1283
On June 27 2019 20:26 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 19:55 Xain0n wrote:
On June 27 2019 19:54 Charoisaur wrote:
I think sOs has superior achievement but Mvp has nostalgia on his side so it will be close


sOs is not even close to Mvp.


Nah, they are at least close, on point sOs was the best HOTS player and maybe the best protoss overall. 3 world championship, 1 korean championship and 3 silver in korean tournaments is at least close to 4 GSL, 1 GSL silver, 1 MLG, 1 WCS EU and a Blizzcon with just one other korean.

Both player are in my top 5 personally


You are forgetting one IEM and one WCG on Mvp's side.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 27 2019 11:35 GMT
#1284
On June 27 2019 20:31 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 20:26 Nakajin wrote:
On June 27 2019 19:55 Xain0n wrote:
On June 27 2019 19:54 Charoisaur wrote:
I think sOs has superior achievement but Mvp has nostalgia on his side so it will be close


sOs is not even close to Mvp.


Nah, they are at least close, on point sOs was the best HOTS player and maybe the best protoss overall. 3 world championship, 1 korean championship and 3 silver in korean tournaments is at least close to 4 GSL, 1 GSL silver, 1 MLG, 1 WCS EU and a Blizzcon with just one other korean.

Both player are in my top 5 personally


You are forgetting one IEM and one WCG on Mvp's side.


WCG was pretty much an AsianGame situation I don't think beating Kas, Bling and Xigua is particularly impressive even late 2011 and sOs MSI (almost flawless) run was more impressive than Mvp IEM Cologne.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
June 27 2019 11:43 GMT
#1285
On June 27 2019 20:35 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 20:31 Xain0n wrote:
On June 27 2019 20:26 Nakajin wrote:
On June 27 2019 19:55 Xain0n wrote:
On June 27 2019 19:54 Charoisaur wrote:
I think sOs has superior achievement but Mvp has nostalgia on his side so it will be close


sOs is not even close to Mvp.


Nah, they are at least close, on point sOs was the best HOTS player and maybe the best protoss overall. 3 world championship, 1 korean championship and 3 silver in korean tournaments is at least close to 4 GSL, 1 GSL silver, 1 MLG, 1 WCS EU and a Blizzcon with just one other korean.

Both player are in my top 5 personally


You are forgetting one IEM and one WCG on Mvp's side.

I don't think beating Kas, Bling and Xigua is particularly impressive

You're forgetting who you're talking to. In Xainon's opinion Names do not count, results do!
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 27 2019 18:25 GMT
#1286
Let's rephrase it: sOs achievemenents are impressive as almost all of his victories were super prestigious , but Mvp is clearly above in my opinion as he won way more in Korea and also collected more international titles.
He was clearly the best player in 2011 despite it also being the best year of Nestea, MC and MMA.
And I'm not even summoning Stuchiu.

Not being impressed with some victories doesn't mean they can be taken out completely; also, Kas-Bling-Xigua wasn't a joke back in the days despite not being a truly glorious path.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 20:36:55
June 27 2019 20:36 GMT
#1287
Was sOs ever the undisputed "best player in the world?" Because I don't remember him ever being an overwhelming favorite even in the tournaments he won.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
June 27 2019 20:46 GMT
#1288
On June 28 2019 05:36 pvsnp wrote:
Was sOs ever the undisputed "best player in the world?" Because I don't remember him ever being an overwhelming favorite even in the tournaments he won.

The closest he ever got was probably late 2015 but even then it wasn't quite undisputed.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 22:34:56
June 27 2019 22:32 GMT
#1289
I think it's close between Mvp and sOs but Mvp is the greatest WoL player while sOs is one of the greatest HotS players and a great LotV player. I voted MvP because he won so many more tournaments (along with multiple GSLs unlike Taeja).

Also, I do think the depth of competition matters so that's why I voted Stats over MC even though MC won more tournaments but in the case of Mvp and sOs, Mvp has a lot more wins, and many of them were very prestigious.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 30 2019 02:33 GMT
#1290
End of the round of 16 results

Match 7

(P)PartinG: 6 votes
(P)Zest: 38 votes

(P)Zest goes through!

Match 8
(P)sOs: 13 votes
(T)Mvp: 31 votes

(P)sOs is eliminated (bhooooo) and (T)Mvp closes our top 8!
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
June 30 2019 02:38 GMT
#1291
On June 28 2019 05:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 05:36 pvsnp wrote:
Was sOs ever the undisputed "best player in the world?" Because I don't remember him ever being an overwhelming favorite even in the tournaments he won.

The closest he ever got was probably late 2015 but even then it wasn't quite undisputed.

How i wish Life didn't go for that stupid baneling bust.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-30 02:52:13
June 30 2019 02:50 GMT
#1292
Ladies and gentleman, your 8 greatest Starcraft 2 players of all time!
- (T)TaeJa
- (T)INnoVation
- (Z)soO
- (Z)NesTea
- (T)Maru
- (P)Stats
-.(P)Zest
- (T)Mvp

We have a bit of every era, the two dominante force in WOL in Nestea and Mvp, two HOTS great with Zest and TaeJa, the two LOTV greatest in Maru and Stats and two double expansion great with the SKT brother soO and INnovation.

Terran dominate this top 8, but we are garantee at least one zerg in top4.

I'm gonna make a quick placement matches round and then we are on to end this thing
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
June 30 2019 03:35 GMT
#1293
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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
June 30 2019 07:36 GMT
#1294
Well done!

Hope this contest gets some front page love for the final eight
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18232 Posts
June 30 2019 07:46 GMT
#1295
Zergs with the bracket luck. Good chance there won't be any protoss in the top 4...
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 30 2019 08:08 GMT
#1296
Replace Nestea with Life and you have a pretty perfect top 8
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
June 30 2019 08:33 GMT
#1297
On June 30 2019 11:50 Nakajin wrote:
Ladies and gentleman, your 8 greatest Starcraft 2 players of all time!

This aren't the top 8 greatest players. Bracket luck plays too big of a role
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-30 09:04:53
June 30 2019 09:01 GMT
#1298
On June 30 2019 17:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2019 11:50 Nakajin wrote:
Ladies and gentleman, your 8 greatest Starcraft 2 players of all time!

This aren't the top 8 greatest players. Bracket luck plays too big of a role


Assuming Life is banned, the only name you could possibly switch is Zest with your Protoss of choice/Solar. Solar has like 4 or 5 premiers, somehow, right? Or I guess MMA. I personally think that Classic should be up there but he ran into Innovation. the order of my protoss:

Classic: second best lotv toss behind stats, had a strong late hots, especially in Proleague
sOs: has the titles, has been a threat for a long time, very innovative.
Parting: Even though MC has more early titles, Parting had a nice longevity, and Soul Train is STILL relevant and it's my favorite protoss build to watch and play.
Zest: Really beastly in 2014. he's really disappointing and really poo now. hero is currently a bigger threat.
hero: had a bad start and end to his career, bookending a bunch of poo IEMs and high profile losses
MC: I know, 2 GSLs when toss sucked. nothing else truly special.

I'd take Classic or sOs over solar or MMA, to replace Zest
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16057 Posts
June 30 2019 09:32 GMT
#1299
On June 30 2019 18:01 RatzBarcode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2019 17:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 30 2019 11:50 Nakajin wrote:
Ladies and gentleman, your 8 greatest Starcraft 2 players of all time!

This aren't the top 8 greatest players. Bracket luck plays too big of a role

I personally think that Classic should be up there but he ran into Innovation.

Exactly my point and why this "top 8" shouldn't be taken as a top 8 greatest player list. If any of the other players would have run into Inno/Maru they wouldn't be top 8 either.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-30 13:51:57
June 30 2019 10:04 GMT
#1300
Classic is definitely not a top 8 player rofl
Maybe you can put sOs there but definitely not classic.

Classic might not even be top 5 protoss. Rain, Stats, Hero, MC, and Parting might all be above him.
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